Time

**Suscitatsio** · 03-20-2010 03:49 AM

"supposing I'm looking through a narrow slit in a fence and a snake goes by. I've never seen a snake before and this is mysterious. And I see, through the slit in the fence, first the snakes head, then I see a long, trailing body and then finally the tail. I say 'well that was interesting'. Then the snake turns 'round and goes back. And again I see first the head and after an interval the tail. Now if I call the head one event and the tail another; it will seem to me that the event 'head' is the cause of the event 'tail', and the tail is the effect. But if I look at the whole snake, I will see a head-tail snake and it will seem simply absurd to say that the head of the snake is the cause of the tail; as if the snake came into being first, then head and then the tail. The snake comes into being, out of it's egg, as a 'head-tailed' snake! And so in exactly the same way, all events are really one event. We are looking, when we talk about different events, we are looking at different sections or parts of one, continuous happening. And therefore, the idea of separate events which have to be linked by a mysterious process called 'cause and effect' is completely unnecessary."

- Alan Watts

**Suscitatsio** · 03-20-2010 07:31 AM

Anyone have thoughts on the theory of time existing as a whole entity? theories on time's place in the 10, 11 or whatever dimensions (whichever you prefer, and feel free to tell which that may be)? Maybe you believe there are no dimensions and have a theory to back that up?

For a relatively easy-to-understand theory on 10 dimensions visit tenthdimention.com. Any thoughts on this theory?

For an interesting and entertaining project on conceptualizing time, check out a 1,000 year long song: Longplayer. Thoughts on that?

**Koalaman** · 03-20-2010 10:22 PM

I don't think I really understand. At some level I can see how "cause and effect" is no longer visible or relevant, but on another level one event does cause another. We can understand one event by looking at another event, so how can it be "completely unnecessary"?

**Suscitatsio** · 03-21-2010 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Koalaman

I don't think I really understand. At some level I can see how "cause and effect" is no longer visible or relevant, but on another level one event does cause another. We can understand one event by looking at another event, so how can it be "completely unnecessary"?

I'm going to agree with you on it not being "completely unnecessary" (double negative?). I'm not saying I agree with all of this, I just find it very thought provoking. I'm guessing what good old Alan Watts (whom my father actually met once!) was getting at when he suggested the "completely unnecessary" part was that you can figure out one part of the snake by comparing and contrasting it with another part of the snake (cause and effect), but you wouldn't even need to compare and contrast if you just looked at the whole snake in the first place and stopped dealing with the bits and pieces as not being part of one living whole. From the way I see it, scientists often compare and contrast the bits and pieces in things in order to better understand them. BUT. The key factor would be that at the same time they are comparing and contrasting, they realize that the snake is a full snake and that all the parts work together to serve the whole. This is what appears is the superior viewpoint of time. At least, this is what I can gather at this point, I am largely ignorant to the intricacies of time.

**Alric** · 03-21-2010 10:03 AM

When I read that, I think about a persons life. A persons life, isn't any one event but the entirety of all expierences that person ever has or will have. You can't just look at one event in a persons life and claim to know them. You have to take it all to really know who they are.

A persons life is not caused by any one thing or is the effect of one thing, but is the total of all things that happened.

**Suscitatsio** · 03-21-2010 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Alric

When I read that, I think about a persons life. A persons life, isn't any one event but the entirety of all expierences that person ever has or will have. You can't just look at one event in a persons life and claim to know them. You have to take it all to really know who they are.

A persons life is not caused by any one thing or is the effect of one thing, but is the total of all things that happened.

Well spoke.

**Lucidness** · 03-26-2010 04:34 PM

Life is what you experience to a certain degree.

**Suscitatsio** · 03-27-2010 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by Lucidness

Life is what you experience to a certain degree.

Thanks tips.

**Jesus of Suburbia** · 03-28-2010 03:38 AM

Time exists as not a thing but a way of our minds to measure the way of something happening.
This could be explained better if you were to look up Perspectual Time Dilation.

**Suscitatsio** · 03-28-2010 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia

Time exists as not a thing but a way of our minds to measure the way of something happening.
This could be explained better if you were to look up Perspectual Time Dilation.

I couldn't find any information on "Perspectual Time Dilation". Could you send me a link?

If time is not a thing, then how would you explain Einstein's theory of Spacetime and the well-proven theory of the Elasticity of Time? What would your opinion on the possibility of a time machine be?

**Jesus of Suburbia** · 03-28-2010 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Suscitatsio

I couldn't find any information on "Perspectual Time Dilation". Could you send me a link?

If time is not a thing, then how would you explain Einstein's theory of Spacetime and the well-proven theory of the Elasticity of Time? What would your opinion on the possibility of a time machine be?

The possibility of a time machine is one that I am open to, but do not insist upon.

We know that wormholes, two black holes linked to one another, can warp things not only through space, but also time.
My theory on this is that if we could somehow learn to control this, perhaps by linking two specific black holes, then we could, in fact, travel through time to wherever we may want.

Anyway, back on-topic.
Perspectual Time Dilation states that we view time differently depending on the situation, place, person, etc.
For example;
In a test somewhere, sometime, they showed a man a clock that was measuring what I suppose was milliseconds. The man could not make out the numbers clearly. So, they had him go bungee jumping or parachuting or something with jumping off of a cliff or bridge. I don't know.
Anyway, he took the clock with him as he traveled down.
Obviously jumping thousands of feet from the ground is going to excite you.
While he was jumping, he - as instructed previously - looked at the clock.
Now, he could make out the numbers‼
I'll post a link to another thread remotely like this one. One person mentions PSD and then talks about it. I think that might be where I learned this. Brb with an edit.

[Edit:] Aha‼ Here it is, bro;
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=34401
I have actually practiced this. Near the end of the thread, somebody posts their tutorial for actually controlling PTD. I have used this effectively.

**Suscitatsio** · 03-28-2010 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia

Perspectual Time Dilation states that we view time differently depending on the situation, place, person, etc.
For example;
In a test somewhere, sometime, they showed a man a clock that was measuring what I suppose was milliseconds. The man could not make out the numbers clearly. So, they had him go bungee jumping or parachuting or something with jumping off of a cliff or bridge. I don't know.
Anyway, he took the clock with him as he traveled down.
Obviously jumping thousands of feet from the ground is going to excite you.
While he was jumping, he - as instructed previously - looked at the clock.
Now, he could make out the numbers‼
I'll post a link to another thread remotely like this one. One person mentions PSD and then talks about it. I think that might be where I learned this. Brb with an edit.

[Edit:] Aha‼ Here it is, bro;
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=34401
I have actually practiced this. Near the end of the thread, somebody posts their tutorial for actually controlling PTD. I have used this effectively.

Ahhh now I see what you're talking about. Yes, I've noticed this phenomena myself. But, IMO, this doesn't alter the theory that time is a tangible "thing" that is subject to rules as is space or gravity. The point you've brought up makes it clear that our minds are capable of transcending time, and that we are not bound to it as strictly as most believe. I have always wondered if different species, or even different individuals, might view the passage of time at different speeds than others do. The almost "common sense" assumed notion that time is the same for everyone has never, and most likely never will, made any sense to me at all. Thank you for reminding me of this.

**Xaqaria** · 03-28-2010 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Jesus of Suburbia

The possibility of a time machine is one that I am open to, but do not insist upon.

We know that wormholes, two black holes linked to one another, can warp things not only through space, but also time.
My theory on this is that if we could somehow learn to control this, perhaps by linking two specific black holes, then we could, in fact, travel through time to wherever we may want.

Anyway, back on-topic.
Perspectual Time Dilation states that we view time differently depending on the situation, place, person, etc.
For example;
In a test somewhere, sometime, they showed a man a clock that was measuring what I suppose was milliseconds. The man could not make out the numbers clearly. So, they had him go bungee jumping or parachuting or something with jumping off of a cliff or bridge. I don't know.
Anyway, he took the clock with him as he traveled down.
Obviously jumping thousands of feet from the ground is going to excite you.
While he was jumping, he - as instructed previously - looked at the clock.
Now, he could make out the numbers‼
I'll post a link to another thread remotely like this one. One person mentions PSD and then talks about it. I think that might be where I learned this. Brb with an edit.

[Edit:] Aha‼ Here it is, bro;
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=34401
I have actually practiced this. Near the end of the thread, somebody posts their tutorial for actually controlling PTD. I have used this effectively.

Actually, the test you are refering to showed that the people were unable to read the numbers when they were under stress, showing that time 'slowing down' was merely a perception after the fact and did not allow them to gain any extra information.

**Jesus of Suburbia** · 03-28-2010 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Actually, the test you are refering to showed that the people were unable to read the numbers when they were under stress, showing that time 'slowing down' was merely a perception after the fact and did not allow them to gain any extra information.

I stand firmly by my beliefs and experiences.

Also, fun fact, you posted at 11:11.