Thread: Consensus Reality

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Yes.

So how does that have anything to do with "if there is nobody, it still exists"?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

So how does that have anything to do with "if there is nobody, it still exists"?

Was anybody around for the big bang or the events between the big bang and the formations of the first observers? There is strong evidence that those events happened in time and that no observers existed yet. The big bang happened about 13.5 billion years ago.

Perhaps you could dream that scientists have figured out that the big bang happened 3.5 million years ago but that 'objective' reality is dependent on the dreamer who dreams it up.

What we call reality is a small range of frequencies in an infinite spectrum of frequencies of energy. There are infinite frequencies of energy and we cannot ever know them all.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

What we call reality is a small range of frequencies in an infinite spectrum of frequencies of energy. There are infinite frequencies of energy and we cannot ever know them all.

Wow. That just really tripped me out. I don't know how much I agree with it, but I love it.

I am glad I finally tripped you out! Lol

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Einstein

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Was anybody around for the big bang or the events between the big bang and the formations of the first observers? There is strong evidence that those events happened in time and that no observers existed yet. The big bang happened about 13.5 billion years ago.

If there are no observers, the "the big bang happened about 13.5 billion years ago" relative to what?

Haha! "If there are no observers, the "big bang happened abput 13.5 billion years ago!" Very good!

You see, we WERE the big bang! I am the big bang, you are the big bang, we all were the big bang. And all time is foreplay to another Big Bang.

And our growing understanding of the universe is actually creating the knowledge that we understand. The universe was created long ago, but it is still being created, even in our mind.
At first, all energy exploded and then a half second later it condensed into heat and plasma and then a fraction of a second later it became hydrogen. And then helium, etc. Stars were born, the ambient temperature cooled and stars created heavier elements, matter formed, living beings formed, minds formed, knowledge formed, now minds create. Mind is a force of nature now and now mind is evolving. Objective reality is giving birth to subjective realities. Subjective realities form consensus realities and consensus realities are evolving back to absolute reality. What next? Spirit? And then another Big Bang? Maybe the moment all consensus realities unite with Absolute reality there is an orgasmic Big Bang again.

Originally Posted by really

If there are no observers, the "the big bang happened about 13.5 billion years ago" relative to what?

You asked that question relative to what?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You asked that question relative to what?

Relative to an observer who presumes the existence of time. It doesn't look like you have answered the question. Do you know what I mean?

Originally Posted by really

Relative to an observer who presumes the existence of time. It doesn't look like you have answered the question.

You didn't ask your question until I read it? I think you posted it while I was at Wal-Mart.

It doesn't look like I have answered the question? What if I answer it next week? Wouldn't that mean, according to you, that my answer to your question is real now?

Originally Posted by really

Do you know what I mean?

Do I know what you mean relative to what?

I don't think your issue of "relative to what" is valid. The particles involved moved relative to each other. They didn't have to collectively move relative to another thing.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You didn't ask your question until I read it? I think you posted it while I was at Wal-Mart.

It doesn't look like I have answered the question? What if I answer it next week? Wouldn't that mean, according to you, that my answer to your question is real now?

Whatever happens, it occurs now. When you refer something that "happened" even that occurs in the only reference point: now. Even now is a reference point, so really there is only timelessness. The past, present and future are projections of perception.

Time exists while it has pragmatic use but it is ultimately an arbitrary description of events.

Do I know what you mean relative to what?

Don't be redundant. Relative to your interpretation.

I don't think your issue of "relative to what" is valid. The particles involved moved relative to each other. They didn't have to collectively move relative to another thing.

Particles?