LOL! This is the coolest thread ever. |
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LOL! This is the coolest thread ever. |
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---o--- my DCs say I'm dreamy.
Two things, since you don't seem to read what you quote: |
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Actually if you think about it, Agnosticism is as close to "a lack of belief" that one could get. |
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Agnosticism is a statement about knowability, not belief. And by "knowability" I don't mean "the feeling of certainty" but objective, irrefutable, repeatably-demonstrable proof. |
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I just came here to post about this very point, only to realize you beat me to it nearly two weeks in advance. I was watching a video on YouTube by ThereminTrees titled "God: The Conscious Universe," and it's as if you watched the same video. The way you phrase the agnosticism-atheism dichotomy is similar to the way ThereminTrees phrases it: |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
Thanks Blue! I actually hadn't seen that video, but I'll check it out soon. |
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I love it: |
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Last edited by BLUELINE976; 04-08-2011 at 03:58 AM.
The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
Actually this doesn't make sense. You cannot have 2 different categorizations at the exact same time. You cannot have certainty and be unsure at the exact same time, it's actually impossible. |
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Sorry, my wording was ambiguous there, even though the paragraph before should have set the spirit of the message. |
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I don't know how you missed what Replicon said in the beginning of his post, but it addresses this point. It's not about being unsure, it's about what is knowable. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
O rly? If you're going to accept the Christian notion of a god, down to the ten commandments, you need not look any further than the first four (of which there are multiple versions). |
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That's the problem right there "lacking objectively demonstrable-to-others". This doesn't make one unsure. Evidence that would be sufficient for you, however, lacking or absent completely doesn't change that person's feelings of certainity and it doesn't make them "unsure". It makes YOU unsure. Where I come from being unsure about something means that you do not know one way or the other because one of two different factors hasn't been presented 1) You're unaware of a particular concept as in ignorance. 2) Sufficient evidence hasn't presented itself to allow YOU (as in self) to make a determination. |
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None of those are requirements to worship god. The first is a commandment not to worship other gods. 2 is to not worship false idols (any idol or image is a false one). 3 is about false representation to your fellow man; taking the lord's name in vain is the same as claiming god is behind your actions when it is not true. 4 is, as you have said, about not working on the sabbath. The catholic version is the only one that leaves any sort of interpretation since it doesn't elaborate, but I'm sure you can read the other ones and see that there isn't much room for a "worship me" interpretation. |
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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
It is mentioned throughout the bible that god is jealous, implying he wants you to worship him and not other things, etc. |
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Have you ever had a jealous ex-girlfriend who didn't want you but got angry if she saw you with someone else? She is jealous even though she doesn't want your attention either. I'm not saying god doesn't want your worship, but only that jealousy doesn't necessarily mean that he does either. |
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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
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Last edited by Ne-yo; 04-09-2011 at 01:34 AM.
Perhaps god uses definition number 4? |
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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
How does that fit into the statement |
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Right. I conceded that "unsure" was not the right choice of words (since "unsure" is an irrational feeling just like certainty), and replaced it with something more specific. The rest of your paragraph makes the assumption that my replacement was actually a synonym. I'm not gonna have an argument with you about semantic nonsense, even in a thread dedicated to it. |
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