Split from: DV Christians Unite! (Christian Only Thread)

[Noogah]

The things that make you happy, the things that make you sad, the things that please you, the things that cause you pain, because you have felt all of these emotions and you understand that others are capable of feeling the same, you are able to take into account how they would feel based upon a certain action. Yes, we call this the "golden rule". Do to others what you would have others do to you. What you have done is adopted the assumption that “It is wrong to hurt others”. From your perspective, nothing is “wrong”. Things are only out of fashion, or against your personal preferences. There is no real “right” or “wrong”. Furthermore, I don't know how you can reconcile this with your original sentiment: "Do whatever you want" This is what makes true sense in a naturalistic world (if anything could actually make sense in a naturalistic world). In this case, Nietzche was right. God, rules, morality - it's all the stuff of babies, and lower apes who have not learned the wisdom that might makes right. So you can't get on to the kid who stole his brother's candy, and you can't get on to Hitler. Now that you've evolved to the point you understand it’s all a bunch of rot, go and do what you really want, and admit that “morality” doesn’t “exist”. You exist, and your wants. But I believe morality does exist. It's real, and things really are right, and really are wrong.

[Raen]

Yes, we call this the "golden rule". Do to others what you would have others do to you. What you have done is adopted the assumption that “It is wrong to hurt others”. From your perspective, nothing is “wrong”. Things are only out of fashion, or against your personal preferences. There is no real “right” or “wrong”. Furthermore, I don't know how you can reconcile this with your original sentiment: "Do whatever you want" This is what makes true sense in a naturalistic world (if anything could actually make sense in a naturalistic world). In this case, Nietzche was right. God, rules, morality - it's all the stuff of babies, and lower apes who have not learned the wisdom that might makes right. So you can't get on to the kid who stole his brother's candy, and you can't get on to Hitler. Now that you've evolved to the point you understand it’s all a bunch of rot, go and do what you really want, and admit that “morality” doesn’t “exist”. You exist, and your wants. But I believe morality does exist. It's real, and things really are right, and really are wrong. I don't like how you keep telling me what I believe. From my perspective, things are wrong. Rather than using the word wrong, we should be using the word "immoral", and the very definition of it is "Things that are out of fashion" or "Not conforming to accepted standards of morality". My original statement was an answer to your question. If I ask one of you to tell me why I should be moral, what will you say? I'm not going to tell you that you should be moral, you should be able to make that decision on your own. That is not to say, however, that morality does not exist and that I don't have a sense of morality. It means that if you really need a reason to act in a moral way, then you clearly don't have morals to start with so it is not my place to bother with convincing you that you should have them. If it takes a "Golden rule" in a book and a belief in God to persuade you that you should act according to a moral code with promises of eternal life versus eternal punishment, then you don't have any true morals. Many religious people I have met have asked he same questions about morality, such as "If you don't believe in God, why don't you just rape, kill and steal because you don't have any reason to be moral". My answer to that is this: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero.