The Primer Set By The Holy Spirit

[Awaken4e1]

Throughout the Word of God there is a precedent set, which is constant from the beginning to the end of His Word. It is a type of primer which unfolds within the Word through the spiritual discernment, and application of select words with the text; it is for reveling meanings of much dubious application within the constructed syntax. The content of the primer is set by the Holy Spirit, and the believer is prompted by the spirit when the primer is to be applied. There are multiple uses to the primer, and it is developmental in its use, solely dependant upon the maturity of the believer to use it. It is adaptive, and can lead the believer into a vast acclimations of the spirit, into multiple dimensions, through the application of the primer in various teaches within the Word, just as a first grader advances progressively from one grade to another, so also does the believer as the primer is revealed. Therefore the believer grows in their understanding of the Word through the unveiling of the primer. Many have attempted to use scientific or mathematical formulas of devising a usable primer which are formulated by natural applications of intellect or rational thinking. The use of which will, in fact lead the observer away from the manifestation of the primer. The natural mind is too strict in its fixed construction to interpretation the words of any given language to their spiritual appliance. Prior to the confusing of man’s language at the tower of Babel, man was of one mind, and was able to attain anything which the mind was place on. God therefore set a veil over the natural mind to keep man from applying the strength of unity to his own natural desires, so also to the application of the primer to the Word. The Rev.

[ptahsokar]

GOSH DANG IT, REV! You're such a salesman sometimes! Give'em the primer, for God's sake (literally). I swear, you should really audition for a spot as one of those hand-dancing models on The Price Is Right. PtahSokar turns his attention to the box the primer is in. He quickly rips away the wrapping, cuts throught the packing tape, pulls out the primer, and forcably shoves it into the arms of The Rev Here's the primer! The primer is: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13) PtahSokar tears the primer back out of The Rev's hands, and slams a clip into the receiver, pulls back the bolt, checks the chamber (blows out a little lint), then slaps the side of the primer, chambering a round. He throws it back into the arms of The Rev who fumbles with it for a moment. Here's the instructions to it: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23745 (It's 3 posts down if you're sort is set for Oldest First) PtahSokar points to some tiny lettering on the side of the primer. When The Rev bows his head to squint what is says, PtahSokar gives him a light slap upside the head. He then turns and exits the side door, muttering something about preachers and prima donas under his breath, never to return to the thread.

[ptahsokar]

PtahSokar after just moments with the intention of leaving to never return, returns. His presense, invalidating his earlier assertion, is a mystery to both him and The Rev. Then he remembers why he came back. Rev, I read one of your replies to me (I forget which one) but you invited me to follow the link that is at the bottom of your posts. I just wanted the thank you for that, in that it is Love that motivates another to invite someone to beleive as they do. I thank you for showing that love to me in the token of inviting me. Thanks. PtahSokar strides quickly to the side door of the thread, stops a moment, sets his mind more firmly with the determination to never return, and then exits...never to return.

[ptahsokar]

Again the door opens. Its PtahSokar. He found it intriging how easy it was to invalidate his own assertions through returning. He stands for a few seconds just inside the doorway studying the dynamics of it. He wonders if the idea of irony is at work here. He quickly in his mind comes to a conclution that he was wrong about being incorrect. Time itself will conspire against him, for unless he keeps returning throughout all eternity, that there will be a moment when he actually does never return. This idea is interesting to him. Then it dawns upon him, how ironic it was to earlier to consider irony. He laughs to himself. He turns, looks at the door up and down, with a smile and walks through the doorway...NEVER TO RETURN! The End.

[Nirvana Starseed]

Enters, kicking the door open .......................... Goes to walk out the door, but then stops, something exciting happened recently, some residue of wisdom left in the air Not the usual smokey illusion of knowledge. tries to open the window, but it falls off and smashes. A plank from the ceiling falls down. Is still glad he kicked the door in leaves shortly after finding a gun Realizes it's a Primer set by the Holy Spirit attached with a scope. Some kind of aiming device, Something is encarved in the side of it. "Eliminates Sin".

[kimpossible]

realizing the primer has left a nasty sulfuric reek in the air, KP turns on the fan and closes the door. "boys.", she thinks, shaking her head and walking away.

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by ptahsokar PtahSokar after just moments with the intention of leaving to never return, returns. His presense, invalidating his earlier assertion, is a mystery to both him and The Rev. Then he remembers why he came back. Rev, I read one of your replies to me (I forget which one) but you invited me to follow the link that is at the bottom of your posts. I just wanted the thank you for that, in that it is Love that motivates another to invite someone to beleive as they do. I thank you for showing that love to me in the token of inviting me. Thanks. PtahSokar strides quickly to the side door of the thread, stops a moment, sets his mind more firmly with the determination to never return, and then exits...never to return. Thank you for your love towards me in Him!

[Leo Volont]

The Christian, particularly the Protestant Traditions, have grown so sterile and lifeless, that they now seem to insist upon verbal teachings as being of significant spiritual importance. But why should this be so? Christ was not given a Lecture on the Bank of the Jordan, but a Spirit like a Bird decended upon Him from Heaven. At the Pentacost, again, there was the reception of actual Spiritual Energies, like tongues of flame. But Protestants now talk about lectures and teachings, like anything real will come out of a book. The most successful of today's Spiritualist Gurus are transmitters of what is called Shaktipat -- that is the touch and transferance of Spiritually Awakening Energy. The Bishops of the Catholic still retain a vestige of this in their ceremonies to ordain Priests; or, indeed, part of my Conversion Ceremony was that the Bishop touched my own self on the Forehead. When a Real Guru does that, it comes with a wallop of Spirituality. We call that an Initiation. Teachings cannot do it. One must actually be enlivened by the Spiritual Light and open up like a Flower. Until that happens, all the bibles in the world are useless. What Protestant Slave Trader didn't have a Bible at his bedside?

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by Leo Volont The Christian, particularly the Protestant Traditions, have grown so sterile and lifeless, that they now seem to insist upon verbal teachings as being of significant spiritual importance. But why should this be so? Christ was not given a Lecture on the Bank of the Jordan, but a Spirit like a Bird decended upon Him from Heaven. At the Pentacost, again, there was the reception of actual Spiritual Energies, like tongues of flame. But Protestants now talk about lectures and teachings, like anything real will come out of a book. The most successful of today's Spiritualist Gurus are transmitters of what is called Shaktipat -- that is the touch and transferance of Spiritually Awakening Energy. The Bishops of the Catholic still retain a vestige of this in their ceremonies to ordain Priests; or, indeed, part of my Conversion Ceremony was that the Bishop touched my own self on the Forehead. When a Real Guru does that, it comes with a wallop of Spirituality. We call that an Initiation. Teachings cannot do it. One must actually be enlivened by the Spiritual Light and open up like a Flower. Until that happens, all the bibles in the world are useless. What Protestant Slave Trader didn't have a Bible at his bedside? 1Ti 2:7 in regard to which I was set a preacher and apostle--truth I say in Christ, I do not lie--a teacher of nations, in faith and truth. Rom 10:14 How then shall they call upon him in whom they did not believe? and how shall they believe on him of whom they did not hear? and how shall they hear apart from one preaching? I really don't think your bias could be any more 'Evident'! Do you really believe that you are a proper witness to your faith, when you place others of different faiths under your feet for all to see. Believe me when I say that "It ain't a Catholic on the Throne in Heaven"... The Rev.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1 Do you really believe that you are a proper witness to your faith, when you place others of different faiths under your feet for all to see. Believe me when I say that \"It ain't a Catholic on the Throne in Heaven\"... The Rev. It seems to me that you are being just a bit paradoxical. You criticize me for despising those of different faith at the same time as you yourself express the most hostile opinion regarding Catholics. Perhaps you should consider obeying your own logic, and grant me the toleration that you expect of me. However, I never confessed to believe in Toleration. What you say is only a 'difference' in Faith is the difference between Right and Wrong. The Protestants are in fact the followers of the Antichrist Paul who taught an almost obvious Satanism -- that by the Murder of the Messiah all sinners are thus enabled to overrun the gates of Heaven. Protestants have come to regard the forgiveness of sins as the core of their Religion, which frankly makes it not a religion at all, as Religions should have some moral component. What Protestants believe in is an unlimited licence to sin all they want. And that is clearly Satanic. Granted, that some Catholics believe the same thing... nearly all of the Bishops are Paulists... following the Antichrist in to some degree. However, the Doctrines of the Catholics are mixed with the influences of Jesus and the Saints. At the height of Catholic Civilization, the doctrines of Paul were almost completely forgotten, which Martin Luther and John Calvin endlessly pointed out as though they were valid accusations against the Catholic Church rather than the most obvious merits. If a certain amount of corruption had always followed within the Catholic Church, it is only because the Bishops nurtured the doctrines of Paul in their heart even while recognizing the danger of teaching these evils to their larger congregations. But many of the Confraturnities and Religious Orders which make up Catholicism are almost entirely Marian or are influenced chiefly by the Teachings of Jesus, and there is an underlying intuition that Paul should be ignored, even if that truth is not made explicit, again, in order to appease the Bishops who insist upon the supremacy of Paul over Christ.

[Awaken4e1]

"Leo Volont" It seems to me that you are being just a bit paradoxical. You criticize me for despising those of different faith at the same time as you yourself express the most hostile opinion regarding Catholics. Perhaps you should consider obeying your own logic, and grant me the toleration that you expect of me.[/b] No Hostility here, only to say that God doesn't hold to man-made religions, He is not hung-up on traditions as man is... All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, doesn't say if your of this religion or that... No offence... The Rev.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1 \"Leo Volont\" It seems to me that you are being just a bit paradoxical. You criticize me for despising those of different faith at the same time as you yourself express the most hostile opinion regarding Catholics. Perhaps you should consider obeying your own logic, and grant me the toleration that you expect of me. No Hostility here, only to say that God doesn't hold to man-made religions, He is not hung-up on traditions as man is... All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, doesn't say if your of this religion or that... No offence... The Rev.[/b] Well, it just so happens that it is Protestantism's primary doctrine that "God does not abide by man-made Religions". But it is Catholic Doctrine that the Catholic Church has received Divine Patronage from God. Protestants believe in Divine Indifference. Catholics believe that God has come to the aid of Humanity with a bonafide Religion. Protestants are then in a sense Atheistic, and Catholics affirm Religion. For the Catholic side, we can put forward the significant number of Christ-like Saints that have come forth out of Catholicism, like Fruit from the Vine of Christ. Against the Protestant View which rejects Religion we have 500 years in which there has never been even the very first Protestant Saint... not a single supernatural act or sign of Divine Grace has ever been attributed to a Protestant. It is then not surprising that Protestants do not believe in Religion, since they experience none of its Benefits. Being outside the Pall of Grace, it is logical that they would not believe in Grace, but for Catholics, for whom the Fruits of Grace are well within their Experience and Traditions, then it seems odd that anybody could suppose that God and Religion could ever be separate.

[wasup]

I got the sense that leo volont and awaken were arguing (couldn't bear to read more than one sentance of each post), so I just would like to say.. Leo Volont beats the hell out of you, awaken, when it comes to being psychotically and religiously delusional.

[Awaken4e1]

Originally posted by Eric Estrada I got the sense that leo volont and awaken were arguing (couldn't bear to read more than one sentance of each post), so I just would like to say.. Leo Volont beats the hell out of you, awaken, when it comes to being psychotically and religiously delusional. I'm not sure but think that, was a 'Compliment' but no offence to you Leo...

[Awaken4e1]

You know that its a shame that God's people are more consumed over debate that over the fact He loves us beyond all our mistakes, as should we all.

[wasup]

Originally posted by Awaken4e1 You know that its a shame that God's people are more consumed over debate that over the fact He loves us beyond all our mistakes, as should we all. In other words, I don't have any legitimate points, so let's stop arguging and worship god.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Eric Estrada I got the sense that leo volont and awaken were arguing (couldn't bear to read more than one sentance of each post), so I just would like to say.. Leo Volont beats the hell out of you, awaken, when it comes to being psychotically and religiously delusional. Yes, it doesn't take more than a sentence to two to discern that I'm the genuine article. But it should bother you that some kind of suvival mechanism kicks in to prevent your reading my essays. You find it that necessary to protect your intellectual status quo. I suppose you might have something of a point, in that you can look back upon your life and say to yourself "things have not been so bad", so why introduce any radical changes, such as you suspect lurking in the Writings of Leo Volont. As to why you wouldn't read Awaken... well, it is not impossible for a Protestant to be clever... afterall, the clever ones can make a lot of money with their Doctrines, but as they are devoid of the Truth of Christ and the Light of True Religion, then it is impossible that they should ever be 'inspired' in the same sense that my writings are.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Eric Estrada In other words, I don't have any legitimate points, so let's stop arguging and worship god. This shows your moral backruptcy. You can allow yourself to 'worship' God, but your doctrines of 'Faith Alone' forbid you to ever serve God, it being an old Protestant prejudice that any instance of Good Works is a demonstration of lack of Faith and that one is trying to bargain with God for entry into Heaven. Then there is the factor that a Protestant's Worship curtly bypasses all Heavenly Authority and rejects any notion that God, with His millions of Angels and thousands of Saints, could possibly have Delegated any Position beneath Himself to intercept the lowest elements of a degenerate Humanity. One wonders how the Protestants can suppose that the same God who instructed the Israelites to appoint only the purest of Priests to come into the Holy of Holies but just once a year, that they suppose it is the same God who accepts the personal presence of each and every Protestant, especially as they are still too proud to ever stop sinning, since they insist that by Divine Murder they must be forgiven. Indeed, a Protestant's 'worship' is only so much affrontery and disrespect. God recoils from it.

[wasup]

A) There is no "instinct" to protect my intellectual status quo, rather, I've read enough of your posts to understand the gist of all the other ones. It's basically all the same religious bullshit, and pretty much anyone can back me up on that one. Trust me, if I were to be converted to Christianity, it would not happen by someone quoting the bible/god/there own religious faith to me. B) It was a joke. Don't overanalyze it.

[Nirvana Starseed]

ah, the music of the symbols clashing from the pots and pans in the form of chalk and cheese of personailty ego of varies levels clashing at a speed unknown to the unknowing participints of the event. Leaves a result of something similar to a recoil of energy fueling the drama to a conclusion. scissors cut paper, covers rock, smashes your face. Scissors cut your clothes off hanging them over the window to shade you from the sun that burns your eyes in the heat of emotional drama

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Nirvana Starseed ah, the music of the symbols clashing from the pots and pans in the form of chalk and cheese of personailty ego of varies levels clashing at a speed unknown to the unknowing participints of the event. Leaves a result of something similar to a recoil of energy fueling the drama to a conclusion. scissors cut paper, covers rock, smashes your face. scissors cut your clothes of and hangs them over the window to shade you from the sun that burns your eyes in the heat of emotional drama As though your own attitude of Moral Disdain does not also muddy the waters here. Such as yourself has a tradition of running away and abandoning Civilization. Such as yourself use Spirituality as just another form of pampered self-indulgence. What, you can't afford drugs? Junkies contribute more to Society than Spiritualists such as yourself. What does all of your insutlting contempt do but to discourage any active Morality.

[Nirvana Starseed]

Originally posted by Leo As though your own attitude of Moral Disdain does not also muddy the waters here. Such as yourself has a tradition of running away and abandoning Civilization. Such as yourself use Spirituality as just another form of pampered self-indulgence. What, you can't afford drugs? Junkies contribute more to Society than Spiritualists such as yourself. What does all of your insutlting contempt do but to discourage any active Morality. At the risk of tripping over the production I will say a few things to you personally. Firstly I thought you knew me better than that. I have no contempt, and do not use spirituality as a escape. But to make my way up the ladder of initiation. I have not abanded Civilization. I admit circumstances do not allow me at this time to do much for humanity as a whole. But this does not mean I am not working hard to get myself in such a position where as I can be of the greatest possible service. I am not discouraging any active morality. Your weakness is your intense defensive reactions to anything that does not agree with your astral/personality ray thoughtform. If you think about what you just said to me you will realize none of it is infact true. But merely a bitter reaction to a innocent (attempting to be artistic) post of observation.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by Nirvana Starseed At the risk of tripping over the production I will say a few things to you personally. Firstly I thought you knew me better than that. I know that you have a habit of coming into Threads with nothing to express toward the discussion but a contempt for those who are arguing. You drop in only to spit out your insults. If you have no opinion except that you think the discussion is much beneath the level of the Superiority you assume you have over everybody else here, then maybe you should consider staying up in your Private Cloud and minding your own business. Without you having to spit in our faces, we already get the message that you think you are Holier than the rest of us, and really don't need to be reminded of it. But it doesn't keep the rest of us from suspecting that your reticence concerning any Real Contribution to these discussions source not out of any Real Superiority over the rest of us, but more from a constitutional stupidity which would incapacitate the formulation of a detailed opinion. We have nothing to tell us that you are not hiding Inability behind Disdain. After all, what do we have from you but that awkwardly derivative Thread about the Book of Revelation a few weeks ago that was so pointless that you ended up erasing all of your own contributions to it as embarrassment to you. Apparently you are looking to your own Future Fame, as I suppose you must be harboring some delusions of grandeur, and are worried of leaving behind any pronouncments or publications in which you can't underline some pronouncement or inference that you have some superior wisdom to the rest of us. So you erase, erase, erase. You don't find me erasing anything, do you?

[Nirvana Starseed]

Your idea of me is a low one indeed. Through right desire and discernment will you know me.

[InTheMoment]

I like the way this thread is turning out. P.S. - Leo you've hit the nail on the head in each of your posts.