Thread: Evolution is a Religion!

Originally posted by dreamtamer007

Your god is not big enough. God is far beyond controlling nature, he created it.

"Your god is not big enough..." that has to be the worst reply to a post I've ever heard! I mean, you could have mentioned something insightful about what I just wrote, an opinion on my view of evolution, I was trying to fit God in there somewhere to keep you all happy, but really... why did I bother trying to please people?

Originally posted by Sifr

I was trying to fit God in there somewhere to keep you all happy, but really... why did I bother trying to please people? *

Good point. We are not here to please people but god. And our intention is to save a few of you from the devils grasp. Not out of the goodness of my heart but gods. So we do care only we know where it comes from.

DT: My dog peed in your gods Wheaties this morning. So I gave him a cookie.

Sifr -

What you're doing there is what's known as "God of the Gap". It dates back many thousands of years and its roots are polytheist.

God of the Gap is where you take anything you don't understand in process, and insert God into the middle of it. I used God of the Gap in my math homework once. The teacher was almost as much of a nutjob as DT. So in the middle of the proof, I inserted TAMH. "Then A Miracle Happens". I didn't know that step in the proof, but understood where it was going and could arrive at the answer. I inserted god into the gap in my knowledge.

It's pretty traditional, since it's been around as long as consciousness. "I don't understand stuff, so I'll invent something bigger than me and let him worry about it."

People like DT are examples of people that need a *lot* of god.

Lol, I wasn't really intending to insert God into the equation, personally in my view he doesn't belong there. If you look at what I wrote, God doesn't come into the framework of human evolution at all. I was showing a way that even people that are fanatically religous could insert God into their math so they wouldn't have a heart attack at the idea of what I was saying was to them "Blasphemous".

Didn't seem to work.

All apes have evolved, just some a lot more than others. No ape looks exactly the way its ancestors did 6 million years ago. Many factors are involved in evolution, and some of them led apes of the past toward the slight genetic differences that caused evolution into humans. Remember, there is a 99% genetic overlap between humans and chimpanzees, and humans are classified as great apes.

Awaken, please try to counter that point before you ask the same question again. Thanks.

Dreamtamer, what makes you think that people who think God controls nature think he didn't create it? That was a pretty puzzling remark you made.

Let me say again that my goal in all of this isn't to bash Christianity. Jesus sounds like he was a great guy, and I wish more people would act like he reportedly did. I don't know that many Christians who even try to. I was a Christian until I was 16, and I like a lot of Christians, especially the ones who are very concerned with being good. My mother is Episcopalian, and my sister is a Baptist. I don't have any resentment toward them for it, and I have no desire to talk them out of their beliefs. But if you come to this forum and start disrespecting my views, I am going to argue back, and satire will often be involved.

When you say that evolution is a religion, you are making a flat out false statement. Evolution is a scientific theory, which means that data was collected, observations were made, a hypothesis was formed, a hypothesis was tested, and a theory was supported over and over and officially accepted by scientists who are obsessed with rationality. In the case of evolution, it has been analyzed in so much logical detail that it borders very closely the status of where we can call it a fact. The theory is completely logical, scientifically validated, and does not require the least bit of faith to be accepted. If you call evolution a religion, you have to call everything else in science a religion. Is belief in electron transfer a religion? A religion involves things like accepting without any proof whatsoever, except for an ancient writing influenced by people who claim to have talked to burning bushes and parted large bodies of water, that an infinitely powerful being who is 100% good but allows billions of humans to burn forever because he loves them enough to let them have free will and can't change the laws of reality blew a piece of clay and created the first human, who kicked off the rest of the human population through inbreeding after the first woman came from one of his ribs . Now THAT is a religion.

In science, we'd be more inclined to call it a "delusion" or more probably, a "psychosis"

Originally posted by Universal Mind
When you say that evolution is a religion, you are making a flat out false statement. *Evolution is a scientific theory, which means that data was collected, observations were made, a hypothesis was formed, a hypothesis was tested, and a theory was supported over and over and officially accepted by scientists who are obsessed with rationality. *In the case of evolution, it has been analyzed in so much logical detail that it borders very closely the status of where we can call it a fact. *The theory is completely logical, scientifically validated, and does not require the least bit of faith to be accepted. *If you call evolution a religion, you have to call everything else in science a religion. *Is belief in electron transfer a religion? *A religion involves things like accepting without any proof whatsoever, except for an ancient writing influenced by people who claim to have talked to burning bushes and parted large bodies of water, that an infinitely powerful being who is 100% good but allows billions of humans to burn forever because he loves them enough to let them have free will and can't change the laws of reality blew a piece of clay and created the first human, who kicked off the rest of the human population through inbreeding after the first woman came from one of his ribs . *Now THAT is a religion.

Quoted for truth.

Ok, maybe you’re right. I should not call it religion. How about “Evolution is FULL OF HOLES”. Wholly Wholly full of holes.

How about "someone's understanding of evolution is full of HOLES, where-in that someone may or may not have made a post in this thread and may or may not have started this thread but doesn't necessarily need to have posted in, on, or near this thread and/or have been in the general vicinity of this thread during its inception, and is certainly in no way required to have created the post directly above mine but may or may not have done so."

** Note to moderator: this is not a personal insult: Kimpossible has taken over more then one thread just to prove somthing. Nothing personal just read unrelated posts.

My post was directly and specifically related. Unlike yours.

MODERATOR! Fix this!!!

(see, two can bitch to the moderator...)

rofl @ the 'note to moderator' thing... hehe

Dreamtamer: I don't believe she has deliberately been trying to derail threads, but simply voicing her opinion in her fairly blunt manner. Your post has nothing to do with the thread as it is, and is antagonistic. Please don't fan flames. She's entitled to state her opinion, as long as it doesn't get vicious.

Kim: That comment could have been worded better, I think. Eg. 'Perhaps it is your understanding of evolution that is the problem. It really seems like it from your previous posts'.
Not trying to get at you of course, it just seems like an example where you come across as being aggressive when I don't think you intended to.

Man I hate having to be a policeman...

Originally posted by dreamtamer007
Ok, maybe you’re right. I should not call it religion. How about “Evolution is FULL OF HOLES”. Wholly Wholly full of holes.

Thank you for the admission. With that in mind, I ask you if the appearance of being full of holes is what made you call it a religion. Have you spotted any holes in Christianity?

Ok, Placebo, all fixed! Now I really must insist the "he/she" thing goes away now. This very moment. I didn't milquetoast this down so you could pat him on the head when he insults me.


I'm sorry you have to be the policeman too.

I'd kill to mod this section -- well, not kill because I believe murder is wrong. :sweat1:

Anyway, d-tamer, you're just being a mook, OK? And what the heck do you mean by "Kimpossible has taken over more then one thread just to prove she or he is somthing"? How many threads have you overtaken or created just to fill the place with xian fluff? We don't want your missionizing, never did. If you stop, Kim'll shut right up. It's win-win.

Didn't we all already come to the inarguable conclusion that in fact, Kim's use of the female symbol is justified? This has officially gotten ridiculous.

Originally posted by Rakkantekimusouka
I'd kill to mod this section -- well, not kill because I believe murder is wrong. :sweat1:

"Justifiable Homicide" is an acceptable affirmative defense.

Originally posted by Universal Mind


Thank you for the admission. * With that in mind, I ask you if the appearance of being full of holes is what made you call it a religion. *Have you spotted any holes in Christianity?

No Its a religion by virtue of one thinking that man arrived on this planet threw natural selection. A lot of the so-called evidence is falsely presented. I’m not going to go into any more detail because [ Attack removed. Despite not using names it's fairly obvious who you are referring to. I might send a PM later to discuss it - Moderator ]

Alright, just to warn everyone, I was too lazy to read anything but the first argument. And I'll put my two cents in: The problem with the theory of evolution is that it is not repeatedly testable. Under these conditions, it's impossible to justify evolution as scientific.

However, I think evolution is one of life's great mysteries. Atheists practice a certain amount of faith as well (read Existentialism 101; minus those arguments presented by Awaken, the author of this post, and Kim Possible, they were off topic :gasp: ). So, can an atheist have faith in the scientific method, but at the same time, put his/her faith into their everyday reality? Let me introduce you to doublethink, the process of holding two contridictary thoughts at the same time. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just natural. The universe and moral mind view of its observiers require many interperetations.

Btw, Big Brother Is Watching You.

We should have a literature thread! (Hey, that statement sort of fits the 'melting pot' style of this thread!)

Originally posted by s00p
The problem with the theory of evolution is that it is not repeatedly testable. Under these conditions, it's impossible to justify evolution as scientific. *

Thank you.

Originally posted by dreamtamer007

No Its a religion by virtue of one thinking that man arrived on this planet threw natural selection. A lot of the so-called evidence is falsely presented. I’m not going to go into any more detail because [ Moderator took out this piece in the original post. Removing it here too. *- Moderator ]

You mean like your pms to the moderator or the thread you started bitching about it, hmm?

Oh, and I find your post offensive - please remove it or I'll pm the moderator. As I say - two can play this game!
[ I already did - apparently while you were posting - Moderator ]

Originally posted by dreamtamer007
No Its a religion by virtue of one thinking that man arrived on this planet threw natural selection.

Speaking of grammar school, you just got a big fat F. Please tell me you're just kidding around with the whole "threw" business. You know it's really "through", right? :sweat1: Nothing automatically disqualifies or at the very least hugely discredits an argument more IMNSHO than bad spelling and/or grammar.

Some people on this forum don't have two active brain cells to rub together and create enough heat to actually keep their brain above ambient temp, Mu. So don't expect those people, whomever and whatever they may be, from either creating a valid argument, or even beginning to approach valid grammatical structure and/or spelling.


("whomever" was chosen for the indirect object case deliberately. Furthering the argument that I wasn't attacking anyone in particular. Although the usage may seem odd, and certainly pedantic, I'm sure you'll agree it is grammatically correct in this instance.)
[ For pete's sake, this isn't english school. We still know exactly who you are referring to, since dtamer was the one attacked for his use of english Now can BOTH of you stop it please. D-Tamer LAY OFF... This is a warning. I'll be PMing you soon. - Moderator ]

As a further aside, Mu, you might enjoy " englishforums.com " You'd either be in heaven or in hell.

I really wish I was in the same timezone as everyone else.

Originally posted by awaken
If this is true then why do we still have apes on Earth? Why haven't they Evolved?

That you even asked this question seriously shows that you are completely ignorant of evolutionary theory. As brady said he'd already explained it to you days ago, I don't feel bad quoting talkorigins.org.

Originally posted by dreamtamer+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dreamtamer)</div>

Your god is not big enough. God is far beyond controlling nature, he created it. [/b]

My dad could beat your dad up! yaaay I win the argument.

Originally posted by dreamtamer@
Ok, maybe you’re right. I should not call it religion. How about “Evolution is FULL OF HOLES”. Wholly Wholly full of holes.

I've got an idea, maybe when you say things like this you can... provide some evidence? Put up or shut up.

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The problem with the theory of evolution is that it is not repeatedly testable

The observations that evolution is based on are completely replicable. Fossil evidence is consistant and replicable. Comparisons of genetic structure are consistant and replicable. Comparisons of anatomy are consistant and replicable.

On top of that, evolution has been observed in the lab. Here's a nice article entitled "Observed Instances of Speciation".

Directed at the evolution nay-sayers:

Just a little side note, if the theory of evolution was "full of holes" as you say - don't you think scientists would have noticed? Lamarckism is an example of a theory of evolution that was thoroughly discredited and abandonded - it's not like scientists hold onto bunk theories. A quick search on pubmed for evolution returns 49314 results. For evolution to be "full of holes" as you said, all of these people would have to have missed it or be involved in a huge conspiracy. What's more likely to be wrong:

a) Your uninformed and completely un-researched opinions on evolutionary theory, or
B) 50 thousand thoroughly researched articles written by experts in their fields.

Hmmmmmmm.

-spoon

When I first came to DV I was impressed how nice and helpful everyone was being. I though wow LDers are a special and happy group until I got to this forum and felt all the throat cutters. No different from the rest of the world. How’s this related to evolution? If this is what man has to look forward to from being evolved you can have your evolved cut throats.
[ Yes, this is a particularly difficult section to keep friendly. You are also laying on insults, so please stop it - Moderator ]