Thread: God is not mocked!

This is all that I got from that:

Originally posted by Awaken4e1+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Awaken4e1)</div>

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The Rev.[/b]

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Yes, But one of them I am not, I test them to see if they are Truly True...

As opposed to falsely true?

Originally posted by Mark75
This is all that I got from that:


As opposed to falsely true?

Non-Sequitur -

As the definition states – An inference that does not follow as the logical results of what has preceded it. As have are all other of your posts to me 'they have not followed the preceded topic I have stated. They have not kept a consistent train of thought throughout. You just bringing the same tired inference into every thread I state. And you will continue to until you get what you want.
Good Luck with that!

P.S. Words mean things, try it you'll like it...

The Rev.

Originally posted by Ex Nine


What? You don't understand science at all. Everything in science is open to being deposed.

Unlike your God. But then that doesn't prevent it from being deposed in the minds of responsible people either.

Not according to those who believe themselves right by science, and all others wrong by faith.

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Not according to those who believe themselves right by science, and all others wrong by faith.

Nobody "believes" themselves right by science. There is only an acceptance of what is demonstrably true.

You appear to be criticizing people who think like you.

"Ex Nine"

Nobody believes themselves right by science. There is only an acceptance of what is demonstrably true.[/b]

Scientist do

You appear to be criticizing people who think like you.[/b]

No only those who assume they think like me...

No they don't. Do I have to keep repeating myself?

They stake their entire profession on the possibility that everything they do could be rendered useless. That's why they're so careful.

Yes, But one of them I am not, I test them by the Spirit to see if they are Truly True... [/b]

So in other words, you test faiths through your preconcieved notion of faith to see if it is correct? Yeah... that is a lot more rational than science.

You know, I normally don't mind when you just ignore the entirety of someone's post except for one part (which usually wasn't even a question), but it's really frustrating when you go and post things like this:

Not according to those who believe themselves right by science, and all others wrong by faith. [/b]

My post said the same thing as Ex nine: \"Nobody \"believes\" themselves right by science. There is only an acceptance of what is demonstrably true.\"

How about responding to the question part of my post:

You state that \"there is only one 'truth'. How do you know this if, as you have said \"there are inconsistencies between fact, and belief in these commonly agreed upon therories\". Would it not hold if science is so unreliable that religion would be even more unreliable? How can you be convinced that your truth is the truth, why not a truth of the myriad of other religions. [/b]

Just a hint. You can't test the validity of a faith by using the faith itself. For example, you can't say \"the holy spirit told me the holy spirit is true\". And while you're at it

If all other faiths are truly valid, does believing in christianity mean anything? Will a devout hindu, moslem, or a militant atheist get into heaven just as much as a christian? If that is the case, why be a christian? Why not just be a faith (or lack of faith) that isn't as restrictive, doesn't have as many rules, and doesn't generally get you to discard logical thinking. It's all the same afterall. [/b]

I'd be interested in an answer to that as well.

-spoon

(I'm guessing you respond to the most pointless part of this post)

"spoon"

If all other faiths are truly valid, does believing in Christianity mean anything? Will a devout Hindu, Moslem, or a militant atheist get into heaven just as much as a Christian? If that is the case, why is a Christian? Why not just be a faith (or lack of faith) that isn't as restrictive, doesn't have as many rules, and doesn't generally get you to discard logical thinking. It's all the same after all. [/b]

The problem with those who do not adhere to faith, is that all faith-based belief systems have a degree of truth in them, and it is that ‘truth’ which stands before God incorruptible. Weather they call God Allah, Buddha, Krishna,

This does not make it immutable, however, as it can stop making correct observations or external evidence can start to falsify it. In that case, it will be modified (sometimes a lot, sometimes a little).
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I would only state that those who rigidly pertain to science as ‘fact’ and do not leave more for amendment are those who make themselves the superior elitist of humanity.

The Rev.

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I sincerely doubt you’re going to really read this, but here goes nothing.

Originally posted by Awaken4e1+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Awaken4e1)</div>

The problem with those who do not adhere to faith, is that all faith-based belief systems have a degree of truth in them, and it is that ‘truth’ which stands before God incorruptible. Weather they call God Allah, Buddha, Krishna,
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You make the bold statement that there is some inherent ‘truth’ found in religions, yet fail to back this up, or even mention what this ‘truth' is. It’s ironic that you’d answer in a way that creates only more questions. You have to stop and ask yourself if you’re really answering anything at all.

Originally posted by Awaken4e1@


Non-Sequitur -

As the definition states – An inference that does not follow as the logical results of what has preceded it. As have are all other of your posts to me 'they have not followed the preceded topic I have stated. They have not kept a consistent train of thought throughout. You just bringing the same tired inference into every thread I state. And you will continue to until you get what you want.
Good Luck with that!

The Rev.

Did you read the definition you just pasted into that post (as well as many others)? If so, did you THINK about it? I'm guessing not.

You said some irrelevant and generally meaningless thing about multiple dimensions, then started ranting about some religious jargon.

So I decided (the Gods only know why...) I would point out said meaninglessness.

Where, exactly, is this supposed non-sequitur? Unless you are admitting to the non-sequitur of your own post. From what I can tell, this is the only logical (there’s that word again!) answer.

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Do I have to keep repeating myself?

Nope, there's lots of other threads out there. But when you talk to this guy, that's exactly what you're going to end up doing.

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The problem with those who do not adhere to faith, is that all faith-based belief systems have a degree of truth in them, and it is that ‘truth’ which stands before God incorruptible. Weather they call God Allah, Buddha, Krishna,[/b]

So in other words, there's no reason to believe in such a restrictive religion as christianity? When I have a kid I'll just raise him as strict pastafarian*, he'll believe, which will make his faith valid , which means he goes to the christian heaven. But he won't have any dumb rules. Score.

I'm actually quite confused here, isn't the christian religion a monotheistic religion? Aren't all other faiths inherently wrong from within a monotheistic religion. Why do christians seem to care if people believe in god or not, if it makes no difference one way or the other. And if it makes no difference, why do christians always tell me (yourself included) that if I don't believe I'll burn in hell.

*(Pastafarianism = the belief in the flying spaghetti monster)

I would only state that those who rigidly pertain to science as ‘fact’ and do not leave more for amendment are those who make themselves the superior elitist of humanity. [/b]

So are you making yourself "the syperior elitist of humanity" but rigidly pertaining to your religion as "fact"? How is what you are doing better than the people who hold science as fact?

And for the record, only your caricature version of scientists "rigidly pertain to science as 'fact'". In the real world scientists are quite open to new evidence that falsifys their theories. That doesn't mean they can't hold a very accepted theory (like gravity or evolution) as fact in the meantime. Congratulations, you created a caricature of scientists that arent rational. Bad make-believe-scientists, you should know better!

-spoon

"spoon"

I'm actually quite confused here, isn't the Christian religion a monotheistic religion?
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Yes, but all mankind believes in the one true God, but He is called by different names in different languages.

Aren't all other faiths inherently wrong from within a monotheistic religion.[/b]

No, only faith pleases God not belief.

Why do Christians seem to care if people believe in god or not, if it makes no difference one way or the other. [/b]

Because there is only one mediator between God, and man, the man Christ Jesus.

And if it makes no difference, why do Christians always tell me (yourself included) that if I don't believe I'll burn in hell. [/b]

I have never stated that only your assumptions have.

And for the record, only your caricature versions of scientists “rigidly pertain to science as 'fact'\". In the real world scientists are quite open to new evidence that falsifies their theories.[/b]

I am only stating those who base their beliefs on those who are not teachable

Congratulations, you created a caricature of scientists that aren’t rational. [/b]

No, only you understand of what I have stated has created that image in your mind.

The Rev.

"Mark75"

I sincerely doubt you’re going to really read this, but here goes nothing.[/b]

Nope, there's lots of other threads out there. But when you talk to this guy, that's exactly what you're going to end up doing.[/b]

And by the way, next time you go to hit the 'submit' button, consider the fact that no one cares what you have to say because you are a moron.[/b]

Ah! The last resort of the truly inept, the lack of a substantive response, always requires a personal insult.



The Rev.

Yes, but all mankind believes in the one true God, but He is called by different names in different languages. [/b]

This is incredibly conceited. Are you seriously saying that everyone believes in your god, they just don't know it? It doesn't even make sense. Every god has a different prophet, a different holy book, a different definition, different powers, different creation story, different mode of salvation, different idea of heaven/hell. You cannot seriously say that every god is your god.

No, only faith pleases God not belief. [/b]

Hey, I'd rebut this but you did it in the next line:

Because there is only one mediator between God, and man, the man Christ Jesus.[/b]

So which is it? Only faith (any faith) pleases god, or belief in jesus pleases god.

So it comes back down to the question: what makes your faith "the truth" and all other faiths wrong?

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So what do you think of what I said, Awaken?

Preachers don't exactly stake their profession on the possibilty that their work could be rendered entirely useless, now do they?

Quite the opposite what what scientists do! Very conceited.

You never really responded to my post awaken. Also, when you say scientists apply science to their faith, it is impossible to "test" religion contrary to your belief. Religion is a concept which, as said before, is ambiguous which causes it to be impossible to "prove" it wrong. There is a very LARGE amount of evidence contrary to religious theories, but in the viewpoint of a thiest, he or she might suppose it impossible to definetly prove it wrong. Scientists cannot test and observe religion in a way of "applying science to faith." They simply might theorize why it could be probable.

Despite all of the evidence we gave supporting our viewpoint, you probably will always be thiest. A thiest, in response, might say "you won't ever open your mind up to god," etc. etc. Once you provide some legitimate evidence supporting the presence of a god, I will believe in God. And you can't use that argument against us, because we provided legimate evidence against god (not proving god as unexisting, yet proving him as relatively improbable in the realms of logic).

Unlike most Christian’s science is not a threat to my faith, but a substantiating reinforcing component of it. Science is the conformation of all that God has made, within the confines of man’s understanding of it. Science can only compliment God’s works, for he can do nothing to defame it.

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Unlike most Christian’s science is not a threat to my faith, but a substantiating reinforcing component of it. Science is the conformation of all that God has made, within the confines of man’s understanding of it. Science can only compliment God’s works, for he can do nothing to defame it.

But your faith is a threat to science. And to humanity. At least, according to Einstein.

"To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with the natural events could never be refuted, in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. But I am persuaded that such behaviour on the part of the representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is able to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress." -- Albert Einstein

Originally posted by Ex Nine


But your faith is a threat to science. And to humanity. At least, according to Einstein.

\"To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with the natural events could never be refuted, in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. But I am persuaded that such behaviour on the part of the representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is able to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress.\" -- Albert Einstein

But the elusive pupose of God in the relationship to man is to bring a thorn into man's convenant view of his life.

Mat 10:34 &#96;Ye may not suppose that I came to put peace on the earth; I did not come to put peace, but a sword;

So if someone stuck a sword in your face, that would be in line with your beliefs, then.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
So if someone stuck a sword in your face, that would be in line with your beliefs, then.

Those who constrain the word of God without knowing it, are as a man anticipating a change of scenery on a marry-go-round.

Kind’ a dumb huh?

Originally posted by Awaken4e1

Yes, but all mankind believes in the one true God, but He is called by different names in different languages.

Is there just no limit to what you will pull out of your ass? Have you ever heard of polytheism? It is a belief in more than one god.

Why do you persist to believe in God? Does it make any sense to you? I think anyone who has such a faith in God's existence is somehow mentally insane. Its a crazy idea they has science to disprove most of it. God is an old archaic custom that sadly still lingers around today. It is counter productive to the human race because it is just so silly and give power to other people, not to yourself. Humans are the most superior beings in the universe, yet some of us are so stupid to have a crazed belief in a supernatural deity that has power over us...

*(Pastafarianism = the belief in the flying spaghetti monster) [/b]

Brilliant! ~