Thread: Does god care if you worship him?

Inthemoment your god is your dick. Suck it. It's what you worship

For everyone else. Holy writings are not your ultimate source of authority for truth. You can't say the bible or whatever said this so it has to be true. If anyone insisted on doing that. You can still beat them with their own illogic on the matter with common sense. You can easily counter any illogic using their own source against them.

Originally posted by inthemoment
I think therefore, god is my penis. Therefore god isn't.

Originally posted by Leo Volont+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leo Volont)</div>

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An infintely intelligent being would understand why i am an atheist.

Yes, a Smart persons knows why a stupid person is stupid -- because they're mentally inert, intellectually opague, and intuitively blind.

You see, the Stupid Person's rationale is no valid argument for the Intellectually Elite. Stupid Excuses are stupid excuses.

They did a number of studies using pure suggestion to influence behavior, and the majority of people afterwards, when asked why they behaved as they did, when the truth is that they behaved only in response to Suggestion, most people provided reasons, excuses, rationales, arguments to justify their behavior. Only a slim 5% of test subjects will have the discernment to note that they either do not know why they behaved as they did, or admit that they were overcome by some unexplainable impulse or 'suggestion'.

So when an Atheist can come up with reasons, rationales, arguments and such to justify their ungodly behavior, well, yes, God DOES understand. God understands that these people don't really know what is going on and they are just trying to fool themselves.

But the High and Discerning 5% can look all around at this Culture we now live in. 24 hour a day media, all controlled by secularists, atheists, Masons, Calvinist Protestants -- it all SCREAMS Atheism.

God will hardly forgive you because you were too dim to cut through the propaganda.

I am reminded of one of Christ's Parables. God may plant all the corn, but he keeps only that which grows and bears grain many-fold. Yes, the stilted weeds which never amount to anything... they may have their reasons and excuses. But they are still worthless, no?[/b]

When I said "understand", I meant "sympathize with and see the legitimacy in". My belief is understandable, meaning excusable, and no infinitely intelligent being would have a personal problem with me for it. Anybody who would would either be a moron or somebody with personality disturbance. I have tried extremely hard to make sense of Christianity, as you can see on this very board, and it has not seemed sensical to me yet, despite my major efforts. An infinitely intelligent being would conclude that my position is at least understandable.

Originally posted by Boris
Inthemoment your god is your dick. Suck it. It's what you worship

For everyone else. Holy writings are not your ultimate source of authority for truth. You can't say the bible or whatever said this so it has to be true. If anyone insisted on doing that. You can still beat them with their own illogic on the matter with common sense. You can easily counter any illogic using their own source against them.

Ok, Boris.

Originally posted by Universal Mind
An infinitely intelligent being would conclude that my position is at least understandable.

No.

Read Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

As soon as there is Light, the false phantoms of the darkened shadows disappear.

Your Error is not Understandable.

You are cut no slack because you are stupid.

Look at Christ's Parable of the Grains of Wheat. It is only expected that a Few Grains will ever bear fruit. Those that are lost, or those that are of barren stupidity, they are simply written off.

To God, while you remain ignorant and blind, represent simply an acceptable and predicted loss.

The Angel of God once told me "Not all will live beyond the grave". So, no, God does not have to understand. It is you who have to understand, or, who needs you anyway. God can get along just fine without you.

Leo, if there's a hell, I'll see you there buddy.

Originally posted by Leo Volont+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leo Volont)</div>

<!--QuoteBegin-Universal Mind

An infinitely intelligent being would conclude that my position is at least understandable.

No.

Read Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

As soon as there is Light, the false phantoms of the darkened shadows disappear.

Your Error is not Understandable.

You are cut no slack because you are stupid.

Look at Christ's Parable of the Grains of Wheat. It is only expected that a Few Grains will ever bear fruit. Those that are lost, or those that are of barren stupidity, they are simply written off.

To God, while you remain ignorant and blind, represent simply an acceptable and predicted loss.

The Angel of God once told me "Not all will live beyond the grave". So, no, God does not have to understand. It is you who have to understand, or, who needs you anyway. God can get along just fine without you.[/b]

Stupid? Getting personal because you can't debate me, eh? How very UNCHRISTIAN of you, you hypocritical douchesack moron. You believe in a very illogical concept of God, and you have not explained why my arguments against your notion are supposedly not logical. Do you have the gonads for it today, hypocrite?

As I said, I have tried very hard to understand Christianity. Very hard! And it still does not seem logical to me. I don't choose for it to not seem logical, but it doesn't. I would not allow somebody to be tortured forever for not believing I exist, especially when they tried really hard to make sense of the concept and could not. Therefore, my position would be cut slack by an infinitely intelligent being who is more moral than I am. He would not allow me to be tortured forever. It is an outlandish concept you believe in. Dumbass.

And one more thing, Aristotle, please go to my thread "Is God bound by any laws of reality?" and give the damn counter argument to my point. Or, you can give it right here. Here's my point again... An infintely powerful being would be able to create a universe without suffering and without there being ANY PROBLEM with the complete nonexistence of suffering, and it would create a universe under only those circumstances if the being is totally good. The being would not be required to allow suffering to exist if the being is infintely powerful, and in such a case, suffering would not exist at all, anywhere. However, suffering exists. Therefore, such a being does not exist.

Let's see you give a DIRECT COUNTER ARGUMENT to that. Can you? No.

My position is understandable. Your hypocrisy is not.

Universal you have a lot to learn brother. Don't think you know everything. You don't know as much as you think you do. Leo is right that you do not understand the essence of christianity. You look at it from the perspective of a religious person that does not understand the truth of it but only the words of others and their intepretation of the bible etc. You do not have the knowledge or capability to understand what is truly meant by the religion. Just be patient and let it go.

The truth of it will be made clear to you in time if you truly search for it. You will not learn anything by getting so easily frustrated.

Originally posted by Boris
Universal you have a lot to learn brother. Don't think you know everything. You don't know as much as you think you do. Leo is right that you do not understand the essence of christianity. You look at it from the perspective of a religious person that does not understand the truth of it but only the words of others and their intepretation of the bible etc. You do not have the knowledge or capability to understand what is truly meant by the religion. Just be patient and let it go.

The truth of it will be made clear to you in time if you truly search for it. You will not learn anything by getting so easily frustrated.

Thanks for the continuation of empty replies. My challenging Leo to back up his bullshit is understandable. Christianity is illogical, and I still await a counter argument.
Empty responses are worthless in this debate. I am ready to see some logic, which is apparently too much to ask of know-it-all Christians in a debate about Christianity. If you would open your eyes, for once, you would see that I don't claim to have all the answers. I am merely asking for ONE and not getting it in the midst of all of the emptiness. Read more carefully.

Originally posted by Universal Mind


Stupid? Getting personal because you can't debate me, eh? .

Excuse me, but was it not yourself who said that you do not understand.

Well, there is a name for people who do not understand things. That word is "stupid".

Now it is silly for you to describe yourself as 'stupid' and then to object when your own characterization of yourself is accepted as granted.

You described yourself as 'stupid' and I agreed. And now you complain.

That's 'stupid'.

Originally posted by bradybaker
Leo, if there's a hell, I'll see you there buddy.

Actually, I had a Promitional Vision of the Day of Judgment. The Field of those who were celebrating on the Afternoon of the Day of Judgment, as Twilight approached on the Day of Judgment, it was not crowded, and many on that Field were not People, but Angels come to attend those who did Pass the Judgment. Not many made it. But those who did were pleased about it. And I was one of them.

Didn't see you there, though.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Excuse me, but was it not yourself who said that you do not understand.

Well, there is a name for people who do not understand things. That word is "stupid".

Now it is silly for you to describe yourself as 'stupid' and then to object when your own characterization of yourself is accepted as granted.

You described yourself as 'stupid' and I agreed. And now you complain.

That's 'stupid'.

Nope. That word is "ignorant". "Stupid" refers to a lack of intellectual ability, not a lack of knowledge. Furthermore, for a person to be ignorant, he has to be ignorant OF SOMETHING. I assert that there is not something I am missing about Christianity. I think I don't understand because there isn't something to understand. I still await being proven otherwise, but it presently appears that my analysis of Christianity is logical and that there is not some logic that hasn't been explained to me yet. If there is, give it to me, unlike you did in your above post. You dodged my challenge. What a coincidence and a surprise.

By the way, do you still think pedophilia gets too much of a bad rap?

Originally posted by Universal Mind


Nope. That word is "ignorant". "Stupid" refers to a lack of intellectual ability, not a lack of knowledge. Furthermore, for a person to be ignorant, he has to be ignorant OF SOMETHING. I assert that there is not something I am missing about Christianity. I think I don't understand because there isn't something to understand. I still await being proven otherwise, but it presently appears that my analysis of Christianity is logical and that there is not some logic that hasn't been explained to me yet. If there is, give it to me, unlike you did in your above post. You dodged my challenge. What a coincidence and a surprise.

By the way, do you still think pedophilia gets too much of a bad rap?

No, you are not just ignorant.

I have detailed True Spirituality enough for anybody who is not positively stupid to come away with at least a foothold upon Enlightened Understanding. Why my PM is full of messages of gratitude and appreciation from people thanking me for showing them the Light. But it has made no impression upon you. So your problem is not with Ignorance. That would have been fixed and filled. Your problem is simply with being dim, blunt, obtuse, dense.

Stupid.

The basics of Christianity is basicly "follow god and become a god person". I personally think it can go either way, if you try to be a good person then you would be following god, whether or not your openly worship him. Which is why I posted this topic in the first place, because if you truely try to be a good person I don't think it matters what religion you have, god will still accept you.

To me, its kind of like a roadmap. If you follow the steps christianity puts before you, you will be a good person. People get caught up in the part about following god, and they miss the entire point. The main point is to try and be a good person.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


No, you are not just ignorant.

I have detailed True Spirituality enough for anybody who is not positively stupid to come away with at least a foothold upon Enlightened Understanding. Why my PM is full of messages of gratitude and appreciation from people thanking me for showing them the Light. But it has made no impression upon you. So your problem is not with Ignorance. That would have been fixed and filled. Your problem is simply with being dim, blunt, obtuse, dense.

Stupid.

You idiot, are you even capable of answering to my challenge? Of course not. You are too stupid and ignorant. And I said that the word you are looking for is "ignorant" and then said that you have yet to prove to me that I am. You are so stupid. Learn how to read, not just babble.

Once again, I challenge you to answer my questions and give a DIRECT COUNTER ARGUMENT to my point. You can't do it, can you? Let's see it, empty babbling hypocrite.

Leo what are you doing? They are suppose to be abusing me....Stop stealing my abuse.

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Originally posted by Universal Mind


You idiot, are you even capable of answering to my challenge? Of course not. You are too stupid and ignorant. And I said that the word you are looking for is "ignorant" and then said that you have yet to prove to me that I am. You are so stupid. Learn how to read, not just babble.

Once again, I challenge you to answer my questions and give a DIRECT COUNTER ARGUMENT to my point. You can't do it, can you? Let's see it, empty babbling hypocrite.

What exactly is it you want to know.

You see, what I do is I read your Threads until I find a point to argue, and I argue it. Often I do not get out of your first paragraph before I find a topic to write upon. I figure that first things should come first.

So, if you had issued some sort of a challenge in your subsequent paragraphs, well, I am at a total loss as to what you might be talking about.

Besides, if I have a problem with your first paragraphs, I should hardly suppose that you would be any wiser toward the end than at the beginning.

Anyway, so as not to confuse things, try to place the issue to be discussed in the very beginning of your thread, so that I won't find some initial stupidity to capture my attention that will have me run off and address before seeing what seems to be most important to you.

Now, what I really suspect is that I addressed your main point long ago, but you were too stupid to realize I kicked your ass... that is what I really think. But, you can try again. Tell me what it is you want me to respond to.

Leo the Pseudophilosopher, it would be more pro-intellectual of you to address entire points instead of picking out something in the first part and ignoring the rest. Your tangential tendencies are your problem, not mine. Get help. Then learn to actually debate me instead of spewing hollow insults. You are arguing in a very pathetic manner. Re-read my past few posts, and you will see where I checkmated you and left you doing nothing but babbling with weak hollowness like the dismembered knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Back up your bullshit, for once! Coward.

Originally posted by Universal Mind


Stupid? Getting personal because you can't debate me, eh? How very UNCHRISTIAN of you, you hypocritical douchesack moron. You believe in a very illogical concept of God, and you have not explained why my arguments against your notion are supposedly not logical. Do you have the gonads for it today, hypocrite?

As I said, I have tried very hard to understand Christianity. Very hard! And it still does not seem logical to me. I don't choose for it to not seem logical, but it doesn't. I would not allow somebody to be tortured forever for not believing I exist, especially when they tried really hard to make sense of the concept and could not. Therefore, my position would be cut slack by an infinitely intelligent being who is more moral than I am. He would not allow me to be tortured forever. It is an outlandish concept you believe in. Dumbass.

And one more thing, Aristotle, please go to my thread "Is God bound by any laws of reality?" and give the damn counter argument to my point. Or, you can give it right here. Here's my point again... An infintely powerful being would be able to create a universe without suffering and without there being ANY PROBLEM with the complete nonexistence of suffering, and it would create a universe under only those circumstances if the being is totally good. The being would not be required to allow suffering to exist if the being is infintely powerful, and in such a case, suffering would not exist at all, anywhere. However, suffering exists. Therefore, such a being does not exist.

Let's see you give a DIRECT COUNTER ARGUMENT to that. Can you? No.

My position is understandable. Your hypocrisy is not.

Originally posted by Alric
The basics of Christianity is basicly "follow god and become a god person". I personally think it can go either way, if you try to be a good person then you would be following god, whether or not your openly worship him. Which is why I posted this topic in the first place, because if you truely try to be a good person I don't think it matters what religion you have, god will still accept you.

To me, its kind of like a roadmap. If you follow the steps christianity puts before you, you will be a good person. People get caught up in the part about following god, and they miss the entire point. The main point is to try and be a good person.

Actually not.

Paulist Christianity teaches Salvation and Forgiveness. The Protestants make of big point of Salvation by Faith Alone, and they spurn Good Works. Many Protestants insist that Catholics must certainly go to Hell for the 'pride' of trying to 'earn' their way to Heaven with Good Works. We can see that the Protestants mean business, because the instant they shook off Catholic Authority they got into Usury, Slave Trading, Rum Running, converting property away from the Commons -- they suspended all requirements of Righteousness and Law. Just look at all the Protestant Wars.

And refer to my own Thread regarding Pelagius. The influence of Paul in the Catholic Church, particularly over the Bishops has been the same as with Protestantism, that Righteousness is rejected and replaced by a Passive Faith and the acceptance of the Doctrine of Original Sin, accepting the permanent Status of being self defined as a Sinner.

Now, it can hardly encourage one to righteousness to have the first article of 'faith' to declare oneself as an unreformable sinner. They made Pelagius a Heretic for his insistence that people did not necessarily HAVE TO sin.

Only the Catholic Religious Orders... some and not all... are on the same page as the other Higher Religions when it comes to the insistence that Righteousness should be positively pursued. But when you say "Christianity" then that is usually interpreted to mean Protestantism, as when we wish to specify Catholicism, we say so. But the Protestants are clear that they are saved by Faith and not by works. Indeed that was why it was so necessary for the Prots to come up with the "Word of God" Doctrine, whereby the words of Paul would be made Equal in Weight with the Words of Jesus, so that Jesus could be fairly ignored while all their attention could be given to Paul in their licentious and permissive doctrines.

Look at it this way. When you Forgive All Sins, are you one the side of Good, or on the Side of Evil? Who benefits by the Forgiveness of Sins? Well, we would just see the increase of Victims, as there would no longer be any incentive for moral restraint. Forgiveness of Sins is the suspension of Justice, and the abandonment of any Standard for Righteousness.

Look at the Sermon of the Mount. Christ spoke of Judgment, not of Forgiveness. Salvation was an invention of the Antichrist.

While the Pillor of Christianity remains Salvation, you cannot say that those who do good are Christian. Rather, Christianity is defined by it insistence on Permissive Evil. That is what is meant by Christ when He spoke of the Wide Way of Destruction, The Wolf in Sheeps Clothing, and the Tare-weeds in the Wheat. Christianity had not turned out to be a good thing, no, not at all.

Now, Marianism... that is a different story. No follower of Mary has the slightest impression that any sin should be allowed, and the highest moral standards have always been demanded and expected.

Originally posted by Universal Mind
Leo the Pseudophilosopher, it would be more pro-intellectual of you to address entire points instead of picking out something in the first part and ignoring the rest. Your tangential tendencies are your problem, not mine. Get help. Then learn to actually debate me instead of spewing hollow insults. You are arguing in a very pathetic manner. Re-read my past few posts, and you will see where I checkmated you and left you doing nothing but babbling with weak hollowness like the dismembered knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Back up your bullshit, for once! Coward.

So... you chickened out and can't tell me what it is you challenge of me.

"buck buck buck buck" you chicken. Go lay yourself an egg.

I guess I should of said, that is what it means for me. Infact I believe the point of any religion should be to try and be a better person.

Otherwise I would have to agree with Universal that some of the stuff really doesn't make sense. If the basics of a religion is based on God punishing everyone and the point is try to escape punishment, then that doesn't make any sense to me. Neither does that idea that you can do whatever you want and just ask for forgiveness.

We are all humans, and its natural to make mistakes, but thats not an excuse.

Leo, did you even read his post?

Or, you can give it right here. Here's my point again... An infintely powerful being would be able to create a universe without suffering and without there being ANY PROBLEM with the complete nonexistence of suffering, and it would create a universe under only those circumstances if the being is totally good. The being would not be required to allow suffering to exist if the being is infintely powerful, and in such a case, suffering would not exist at all, anywhere. However, suffering exists. Therefore, such a being does not exist.[/b]

He's repeated that at least three times for you. Probably more.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


So... you chickened out and can't tell me what it is you challenge of me.

"buck buck buck buck" you chicken. Go lay yourself an egg.

I reposted it after telling you where to find it, retard. Now, finally, let's get a counter argument and some answers, if you have them. You don't, do you? Dodge after dodge after dodge, bwock bwock coo coo bwock coo coo bwock bwock... Seriously, how about some on-point retort? Do you know what that even is, you weak little pseudo-intellectual nut case?

Originally posted by Alric
I guess I should of said, that is what it means for me. Infact I believe the point of any religion should be to try and be a better person.

Otherwise I would have to agree with Universal that some of the stuff really doesn't make sense. If the basics of a religion is based on God punishing everyone and the point is try to escape punishment, then that doesn't make any sense to me. Neither does that idea that you can do whatever you want and just ask for forgiveness.

We are all humans, and its natural to make mistakes, but thats not an excuse.

So you would reject Justice?

You are no better than the Antichrist yourself if you want a Religion that condones Evil.

No, Hell is not meant simply for those who refuse to bow and scrape before some Tyrannical Throne of some arbitrary God, but Hell is for those who deserve it. The Cries of the Victims rise to Heaven and demand Justice.

There has got to be standards for behavior. Civilization requires morality.

You take Hell away from Religion... if you remove Justice from the equation... then you might as well throw away any hope for Civilization.

For Evil to triumph all that is required is that one forgive all sin.

Think of the Victims of Evil and not just the perpetrators.