Thread: Go Ahead And Ask Me, Universal (and Others)

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He will never anwser he would just dodge the question.

Originally Posted by becomingagodo

He will never anwser he would just dodge the question.
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How old are you? You're acting like an impatient 5 year old who wants his chocolate chip cookie. People have lives and aren't on all the time, or they just aren't looking at a certain forum 100% of the time. Religion/Spirituality isn't the only forum here, you know.

Can God microwave a burrito so hot that he himself is unable to eat it?

He'd be a pretty crappy god if he couldn't. What kind of idiot can't run a microwave?

Originally Posted by Mark75

He'd be a pretty crappy god if he couldn't. What kind of idiot can't run a microwave?
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I burn popcorn on a regular basis.

Okay, Keeper. I hope you are serious.

1. How did Noah know what species to have on the ark when today's scientists have classifications for only a small fraction?

2. Specifically what points do you disagree with in my post about evolution from molecules to humans?

3. Does God have Narcissistic Personality Disorder under the DSM IV criteria?

Thank you.

to Becoming: If you have asked a question, I cant see it for the trees

Ataraxis: I really wouldn't know. I know you are doing that old paradox of pitting Gods Omnipotence against itself, but that is out of my leage.

I'm not sure if God even needs to eat ...

Universal: I am sieriase, and I will answer your questions to the best of my abilities.

1. I beleive it has been posted elsweare, but I think (I can never be sure) it was due to the Core-spieces theory (about the primary cat-creature that underwent transphormation [I do not denigh that part of Evolution] into the Lion, Tiger, leapard, comman cat, etc). Also, as I recall, Noah didn't go looking for the animals, and it is believed by many that the earths terrain was gratly different then it is today.

2. Its not so much of what you posted as the intervieening steps you didn't. For example, how did DNA itself come into being, along with the RNA commponents and Protean synthasis (sort of a "Chicken and the egg" senario) as well as how the mind develpoed, along with the brain, and several other parts. What you yourself wrote I find to be a good explination. Its just the bits you didn't that are a hassil for me

3. some of the points are up for debate (I.e. Has God doen anything worthy of being worshiped/exalted? Some would say yes, others no, etc.)

To go through it in Point form:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Dose it have to be undiserved? If Yes, then I dont think this point applies, if no, then possably

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

If fantisies is the opritive word, then No, otherwise possably

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

again, must it be unfounded? However, God cant be understood by anyone other then Himself, so I dont think this point applies

(4) requires excessive admiration

Exessive is the main part of this that would define it

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

Well, if God made you, then He has the right to ask impressive things from those He made (like someone expecting there Calculator to work if they made it)

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

I dont quit follow the takes advantage part, but God has used people to do things, though it often beniffites them as well

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

But God has on many occassions, so I would say this is not a valide point

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

I dont see how God has ever been Jealous, so I would say no

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

I think that relates to a point of View, but if you where the Creator, wouldn't it be expected for others not to fully understand you, so your actions might appear Highty or arrogent

from that, I would say I dont think God has that disorder, but it is mostly from a point of view

Originally Posted by Keeper

I'm not sure if God even needs to eat ...

Well, if God made you, then He has the right to ask impressive things from those He made (like someone expecting there Calculator to work if they made it)

I dont quit follow the takes advantage part, but God has used people to do things, though it often beniffites them as well

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Do you believe that god is allpowerfull?
If you do, how can you say that you're not sure if he has to eat?
Also are you saying that if we create robots, that have the same intelligence as us, it would be ok to use them as slaves? Why would god need people to do things for him? You made it sound like god gets the benifits and people might get some "payment" for their help.

Originally Posted by Bonsay

Do you believe that god is allpowerfull?
If you do, how can you say that you're not sure if he has to eat?
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because there is a psalm about "How God drinks the Blood of Bulls". Probably a a litterery device, but still. I dont think God eats (what would He, anyhow?) But I wont commit to that argument

Also are you saying that if we create robots, that have the same intelligence as us, it would be ok to use them as slaves?
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I emfisized the important bit. We are to God as current A.I. is to us at the very most. We probably are a lot less intelegent in comparasin. You have no problims asking A.I. to do something for you.

or using a microwave

Why would god need people to do things for him? You made it sound like god gets the benifits and people might get some "payment" for their help.
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He doesn't need to. He is more then cappable of doing things Himself, but when God directly asked someone to do something it was for there own benifit (i.e. Noah, Abraham, Lot, Moses, etc)

Do these shoes make my ass look big?

horrendously so

Keeper:

Who's winning at the moment
Good or Evil?

and does Good have the power to intervene to prevent Evil?

If so, what happens to us when that happens?

I'll take religion and philosophy for 200?

Originally Posted by sloth

Do these shoes make my ass look big?
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I was extremely impressed with your intelligence when you first came here. You argued very well about the nature of the Christian God. I wish you would go back to that. These conversations can be really interesting. What suddenly changed?

Originally Posted by Keeper

I emfisized the important bit. We are to God as current A.I. is to us at the very most. We probably are a lot less intelegent in comparasin. You have no problims asking A.I. to do something for you.
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I have no problems asking stuff to do stuff for me, because I don't think it has any awareness at all. When a microwave gets really intelligent, I'll make sure I ask first, not just shove food in it.

Sloth: I have no idea. Picture please (I know your joking, but I'll take you sieriusly anyway)

Originally posted by Ynot


Who's winning at the moment
Good or Evil?

and does Good have the power to intervene to prevent Evil?

If so, what happens to us when that happens?

From what I understand (wich may be grossly inacurate) It never really was a commpatition. The concept of Good vs Evil in a battle that could go either way is (as far as I know) unscriptural (I invite anyone who dissagrees to pressent to me what they know: I'm always eager to learn). From what I gather, God is the Judge, but also (from Job) He permites evil to be doen if Satan askes Him and no-one interceeds.

I myself dont fully understand, but it looks like God presides over a "Heavanly council" and other "Powers". There purpose I have no idea to, weather they are Good, Evil or something else, I have no Idea, But back to the question

Can Good stop Evil: I think it is more like "Can Evil ressist Good?" Evil is inevatable. Good happens to Us, and so does Evil. But what you get down to it, its whatsa at the end that matters. I have seen Good people suffer and have no relief, and I have seen evil distroyed.

It is all situation based, but in the End, it is Good that wins

In the End, there is Judgement. I do not fully understand what it entails at the end, but it apperis that there will be a seperation between the "Lambs and the Goats" Some will be with God, others without Him, but I have heard that that might not be the case. I am eger to learn more about it, but that is what I know right now

[edit] I agree with you, but Do we even regester against God, Bonsay?

Originally Posted by Universal

I was extremely impressed with your intelligence when you first came here. You argued very well about the nature of the Christian God. I wish you would go back to that. These conversations can be really interesting. What suddenly changed?
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I haven't 'switched over' or anything like that.
I enjoy nonsense. It screws with people.
I just pick and choose my battles carefully.

...And I feel very honored by the way. Thank you, sir.

-sloth

I have a question keeper, but it hasn't got to do with religion.

Why the hell does your 'personal title' or whatever say: 'I *AM* Glyphs'?

Also, why do you suck at spelling English? Bad education?

Originally Posted by Neruo

Also, why do you suck at spelling English? Bad education?
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He lives in South Africa and is fairly young, so I cut him slack on that. I only speak one language, so I am not about to insult somebody for being rusty on a second language. I think he does a pretty good job with his English, considering his circumstances. I took three years of French and am nowhere near being able to have conversations on a web site where everybody speaks French. I am impressed with anybody who learns a second language and can do that. The only reason I am ever abrasive with Keeper is that he so often either brags that he has answers and then says nothing or repeatedly dodges questions and answers from people he is debating. He doesn't do that every time, but he has done it many times. That is the only problem I have had with him. I don't think he's a bad guy or anything.

I actually more like wondered or they don't have a westernized nation, like mine. I mean English is a second language to me, but because I heard English all the time, even on TV, and in every video game I played since I was 6, I have masted it quite well. Even better, I wouldn't Want to have my computer set in dutch language, or would want to see an English movie raped by having everything respoken in dutch. Like they do in Germany.

Anyhow, I advise keeper to use Firefox 2.0, it has an build-in spelling checker. (Ironically, the word 'Firefox' isn't in it's own word-list ).

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Back to the point:

Keeper, doesn't the fact that for thousands and thousands of year no-one even heard of the Christian god and the fact that even still most of the world population never even thought about believing in the Christian god say something to you?

Another question: Do you believe I will be greatly punished (or it is in hell or not, doesn't matter. I would be majorly bummed out if everyone was in heaven but me) just for having said: 'I denounce the holy spirit, and call it a retarded fairy.'. I mean mark 3:29 couldn't be very much more clear: "Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

(By the way, yay for http://blasphemychallenge.com/, like 1000 people dammed to hell ^__^)

Originally Posted by Neruo

"Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
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Uh-oh. It looks like I screwed the pooch with that one. So I could do something like read an amazing answer to my recurring question from Ne-yo or Keeper, realize that the idea of the Christian God is completely logical, accept Jesus as my big time awesome master savior, pray to Jesus with complete sincerity ten times a day for the rest of my life, become a preacher, convert two billion people to Christianity, end world hunger and cancer, die kissing a crucifix, and still burn forever and ever? Is that where Christians would say I am? Is there a loophole somewhere in that rule? Any holy judgment case law I can refer to for a final appeal?

Originally Posted by Universal

Uh-oh. It looks like I screwed the pooch with that one. So I could do something like read an amazing answer to my recurring question from Ne-yo or Keeper, realize that the idea of the Christian God is completely logical, accept Jesus as my big time awesome master savior, pray to Jesus with complete sincerity ten times a day for the rest of my life, become a preacher, convert two billion people to Christianity, end world hunger and cancer, die kissing a crucifix, and still burn forever and ever? Is that where Christians would say I am? Is there a loophole somewhere in that rule? Any holy judgment case law I can refer to for a final appeal?
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I am sorry Universal, the bible is quite clear about that. I guess that even if you do all those great things, like cure cancer and world hunger, you would still have to be punished for the HORRIBLE ETERNAL SIN, calling the holy spirit a turd-sandwich. : (

Neruo's first post: "I *AM* Glyphs" is a phrase uttered by the Hag in Thief, Deadly Shadows. It basicly means that she is strongly conected to the glyph magic and considers herself to be the real "True Keeper"

Oh, and I am a White English-first language male, its just my spelling that sucks. My spocken language is brillient, but I just never could get the hang of typing without spellcheck

Universal: thank you, I appreciate that

Neruos second: I tryed downloading it, but my machine messed up the download. I keep forgetting to download it since

I know lots of people havn't heard of Jesus, but that doesn't nessesserally mean that He isn't the Path to life (if you will forgive that archaic expression). Besides, it is said that only a few will find the path.

however, dispite what it may look like I have said, I dont know all the answeres

on the blasphimy thing, Iam in two minds. I am one of the people who dislikes the concept that others can suffer, let alone the fact that they do, but they do, none-the-less. I read somewhere that someone believes that those who say that are commiting the act of disbelief and will be punished, so I think it is highly likely that you will in some form

To Universal: however, it is said that if you repent, you are no longer a none believer and God doesn't so much as forgive you but simply says it didn't happen, so you (to God) didn't call God/Holy Spirit names

I honestly dont know if I believe that, though

Originally Posted by Universal

Uh-oh. It looks like I screwed the pooch with that one. So I could do something like read an amazing answer to my recurring question from Ne-yo or Keeper, realize that the idea of the Christian God is completely logical, accept Jesus as my big time awesome master savior, pray to Jesus with complete sincerity ten times a day for the rest of my life, become a preacher, convert two billion people to Christianity, end world hunger and cancer, die kissing a crucifix, and still burn forever and ever? Is that where Christians would say I am? Is there a loophole somewhere in that rule? Any holy judgment case law I can refer to for a final appeal?
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Hey that happened to me too. My Granny told me when I was a kid that the one sin that can never be forgiven is to curse God, so of course my mind automatically thinks "Fuck God!". Then I'm like, oh well. It doesn't matter anyway, because it's not how good you are, you can be as bad as you want as long as you bow down.