Forbidden Fruit

[sloth]

I've always wondered about what the forbidden fruit actually was. It was supposed to make you see right and wrong. Wouldn't that be a positive thing? Anyway, people say it was an apple. If that's true we're all screwed, right? I'm wondering if it may have been a hallucenogenic mushroom. *shrug* I still eat them anyway.

[juroara]

I have no idea why it became the apple, when there were no apples where the story came from. I thought it was supposed to be a fig? or some other middle eastern fruit

[sloth]

I'll bet it was a juroara.

[Cyclic13]

it's a purple lima bean And please, dont argue that it's not a fruit because it only became a vegetable after we ate it, as a way to fool god into thinking we didn't know better... As Leviticus 22:17-22 clearly states..."The LORD said to Moses, You shall not eat my lima bean, for it is purple and a fruit! Do not offer the lima bean to the blind, the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place the lima bean in any empty sandals or as an offering made to the LORD by fire." So henceforth the wily humans decided to get around this by calling the lima bean a vegetable and thats where our tricky fall from grace came about...Don't ask about why there is still confusion about the tomato. That's for another time.

[Gez]

Water Melon OBVIOUSLY! god..

[dodobird]

I've always wondered about what the forbidden fruit actually was. It was supposed to make you see right and wrong. Wouldn't that be a positive thing? Anyway, people say it was an apple. If that's true we're all screwed, right? I'm wondering if it may have been a hallucenogenic mushroom. *shrug* I still eat them anyway. [/b] Well according to Genesis, the garden of Eden was not in some higher dimension, but on earth ( because it says that 4 rivers - some of which are still known today by their same name - started in the garden and issued to the surrounded area of the middle-east and north Africa. It also said that this is a fruit, and it grows on a tree. So unless it got extinct it got to be a fruit that still exist in the garden. It does not say anywhere that it makes you see right and wrong. All it says is that it's a fruit of intelligence ( or knowledge ) good and bad. The direct explanation is that it teach you both good and bad knowledge, or good and bad understanding. After Adam and Eve ate it they were shy of their nakedness, (which was obviously bad understanding... ) It certainly wasn't an apple, as it does not say anywhere in the bible that it was an apple. It does say that it looked really delicious, so it probably wasn't kiwi...

[slimslowslider]

IMO - eating of the fruit was a blessing. I think free will came with the eating - the fact that we disobeyed God was perhaps the only possible proof of our freewill. Prior to this there was just instinct - like animals? Only after - with the new-found sense of morality - could we really be described as having conscious free will. The ability to make the choice to perform acts of altruism and self-sacrifice, even towards other animals (even towards other kingdoms like plants&#33- is possibly unique in the animal kingdom... and I think only possible with an understanding of consequences, and the compassion to not just be self-aware - but other-aware too. Evil is therefore also only possible after good/evil is discriminated. Had Adam not eaten of the fruit, and then like many animals decided to kill the babies of some rival, it would not have been evil, but animal. I have read many different sources suggesting the pivotal role of psychoactive plants in our evolution. Seems a reasonable theory... It doesn't matter what the fruit actually was - IMO the story of the fall is allegory. The apple probably crept in when a european painter rendered the image with the fruits they knew.

[sloth]

I like your responses, SolSkye, and slimslowslider, but for entirely different reasons, I suppose.

[Ynot]

cucumber all those nun jokes hit a little too close to home

[Howie]

It was an apple.

[ExoByte]

Yeah, it was. Its also why we have whats called an "Adam's Apple." It was named after that. The story goes that Adam also took a bite of the apple, but realized his mistake and it got stuck in his throat before he spit it out.

[Ynot]

I can tell you right now, I do not have a piece of apple stuck in my throat or is "apple" a biblical metaphor for cartilage

[Howie]

I can tell you right now, I do not have a piece of apple stuck in my throat or is "apple" a biblical metaphor for cartilage[/b] You are getting that confused with a tonsil knot.

[Ynot]

You are getting that confused with a tonsil knot. [/b] you have a tonsil sticking out the front of your throat? you should see someone about that

[blade5x]

It's not the fruit that was the problem, it was the fact that Eve deliberately dis-obeyed God. God told her not to eat and fruit from that tree (sort of like a test, because who wouldn't want to eat some tasty fresh apples), but she did anyway, so that's pretty much it

[Howie]

It's not the fruit that was the problem, it was the fact that Eve deliberately dis-obeyed God. God told her not to eat and fruit from that tree (sort of like a test, because who wouldn't want to eat some tasty fresh apples), but she did anyway, so that's pretty much it [/b] Was the game "Risk" patened back that far?

[taltho]

it's a purple lima bean And please, dont argue that it's not a fruit because it only became a vegetable after we ate it, as a way to fool god into thinking we didn't know better... As Leviticus 22:17-22 clearly states..."The LORD said to Moses, You shall not eat my lima bean, for it is purple and a fruit! Do not offer the lima bean to the blind, the injured or the maimed, or anything with warts or festering or running sores. Do not place the lima bean in any empty sandals or as an offering made to the LORD by fire." So henceforth the wily humans decided to get around this by calling the lima bean a vegetable and thats where our tricky fall from grace came about...Don't ask about why there is still confusion about the tomato. That's for another time. [/b] Thats one of the funniest things I've ever heard. just as a test I, while tending my young niece told her not ot eat an apple I put on the table, I also told her she could eat hte banana and hte orange...well she ate hte apple. Dose that make here Eve???

[dodobird]

Yeah, it was. Its also why we have whats called an "Adam's Apple." It was named after that. The story goes that Adam also took a bite of the apple, but realized his mistake and it got stuck in his throat before he spit it out. [/b] No, it certainly wasn't an apple.

[ExoByte]

No, it certainly was an apple. I can't remember where I read about it, but it was indeed an apple. The Adam's Apple naming is also true, that I can easily find. As well, going to a catholic school we've always been "taught" it was an apple. What makes you so sure it wasnt? Esspecially considering that the Bible itself doesn't say what it is, how can you be sure of what its not? Thats not saying it is an apple, as the whole story itself is a load of bull. But the story goes that it was. Prove it otherwise, because all your doing is saying "No" and not giving supporting evidence

[Howie]

It was called the tree of knowledge? Good and bad or something close. Wow. I little rusty in theses areas. We could just look it up. Is it in Genesis? The term "forbidden fruit" is a popular metaphor that describes any object of desire whose appeal is a direct result of the knowledge that cannot or should not be obtained. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(&#39;Satan")</div> The term "forbidden fruit" is a popular metaphor that describes any object of desire whose appeal is a direct result of the knowledge that cannot or should not be obtained. Popularly, the fruit has been identified as an apple (perhaps as a Latin pun of &#39;malus&#39; sounding like &#39;evil&#39; and &#39;apple&#39, although the Bible does not identify the fruit as an apple. Judaism teaches that the fruit may have been either grape, fig, wheat, or citron. In recent years, some researchers are supporting the fact that the forbidden fruit is actually a pomegranate, from the supposed location of the Garden of Eden.[/b]

[dodobird]

No, it certainly was an apple. I can't remember where I read about it, but it was indeed an apple. The Adam's Apple naming is also true, that I can easily find. As well, going to a catholic school we've always been "taught" it was an apple. What makes you so sure it wasnt? Esspecially considering that the Bible itself doesn't say what it is, how can you be sure of what its not? Thats not saying it is an apple, as the whole story itself is a load of bull. But the story goes that it was. Prove it otherwise, because all your doing is saying "No" and not giving supporting evidence [/b] The only source of information we have on this is the bible. In Genesis chapter 3, verses 2,3 it just says it is a fruit. Since there is no mention of it being an apple, there is no reason to believe it was. I don't know the origin of the apple story ( which like you said sprouted the "adam's apple" story ) but it has no basis on the scriptures. But, reading those verses again I found a very interesting thing: God did not mention the fruit anywhere! He just said don't eat from the Tree of knowledge ( Genesis chapter 2, verse 17 ). Afterwards, Eve told the serpent that God said not to eat from the fruit of the tree. ( Genesis 3, 3) This could mean one of 2 things: Either Eve misquoted God, or what Eve meant is that you should not eat from the fruit of the tree, but not the fruit in the sense of a fruit like an apple, orange etc, but a fruit in the sense of any part of the tree ( like "the fruit of my labour" ) In chapter 3, verses 12 and 17 God again mentions the tree ( When he reproached Adam and Even for eating it ), and again he doesn't mention a fruit, he just told them not to eat from the tree. So I now hold the view that it wasn't even a fruit, but any edible part of the tree of knowledge.

[slimslowslider]

Wasn't the garden of eden in the middle east somewhere? Probably too hot for apples.

[ExoByte]

Jesus was also born in the middle east. But that doesn't stop the Church from portraying him as white does it?

[dodobird]

Wasn't the garden of eden in the middle east somewhere? Probably too hot for apples. [/b] Apples grow in Israel and Syria, but just out of curiousity I did a search on the bible, and the word apple in Hebrew ( תפוח ) apears five times in the bible, all in the book of Joshua, and all as names of places, and not as a fruit.

[sloth]

So it wasn't a fruit she ate! Eve got in trouble for eating the town of Apple!