Thread: http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

Damn, I started a general attitude, eh?

Regardless most have the same opinion. It sucks, it very linear, and doesn't prove anything.

Okay, that was a lot writen!

BD: Are you saying that it is perfectly exeptable to touch a child (or rape etc.)
Ignore the law
Ignore punishment

Is it okay to do that?
If I understand you correctly, that is what you said. Am I right?

Wendy: Okay, what do you mean when you say Absolute?

also, I really dont get what you are saying in your monologue-bit. Can we sort this out in PM and then post it (it will help me get things in perspective)

Blah: There actually is, and yes, hell is not in the Bible. Its actually a pagan concept.

Arby: Yours seems very restrictive. Moreso then is needed

anyhow, to people in general: Absolute truth = something that is fact (1+1 = 2) Not something that is unknown. It means "is there an answer that is fact?"

Yeah, it is. With no law and no punishment, it would be. No moral power would get me. YOU DON'T GET THIS!

Truth- We know that. However, that stupid question was just a play on words.

I'm not talking about Punishment. Would you do it, though?

No, but this isn't about my personal preferences. I could, if there weren't laws against it, though. Nothing would happen because morality is a concept.

Would you object if anyone else did it?

I completely disagree with this. When he says that your car can not be in the parking lot, but no be in the parking lot, at the same time, he is wrong. Look up quantom physics.

Even in a world with laws, no, unless it was my own. In a lawless world, it doesn't matter. There is no morals.

What does this have to do with anything?

Still, I'm curious as to how giving the answers the website wants you to give proves that (the Christian) God exists.

Originally Posted by Umbrella

Still, I'm curious as to how giving the answers the website wants you to give proves that (the Christian) God exists.

DON'T QUESTION GAWD YOU FOOLISH MAN!

It doesn't, it only proves that you can make a site where pressing the button he doesn't want means you lose.

Harry: ...

BD: You didn't answer my question: Would you object?

Umbrella: I didn't say which God, all I meant was God

Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer

Even in a world with laws, no, unless it was my own. In a lawless world, it doesn't matter. There is no morals.

What does this have to do with anything?

YES I FUCKING DID!

I see. Well as I explained in my first post in this thread, I really don't believe this would prove the existence of any higher power.

That aside, however, my point here was that the website itself does specifically claim this proves the existance of the Christian god. That claim makes no sense whatsoever.

Are you saying that you would not object to child rape? (forgive me if this seams a bit repetitive, but I am going somewhere)

[edit] Okay, I can respect that. Btw, there is more to the site where he explains why

Obviously, morals can be different, depending on the human. Some humans think it's right, to molest children, so they do it, and thus, there are no absolute laws.

Also, there's got to be some alien societies, in which kid molesting is complete fine, just as with rape.

Originally Posted by Keeper

Are you saying that you would not object to child rape? (forgive me if this seams a bit repetitive, but I am going somewhere)

[edit] Okay, I can respect that. Btw, there is more to the site where he explains why

No. You're just going off topic now. This isn't about rape. It's about morals.

And yes, from a purely logical standpoint, it would as morals are a concept. I don't condone it, but if there were no laws nothing would say you couldn't and nothing would happen.

I clicked on "I don't care" and it said "Thanks for visiting"...what a useless sight for objective people.

I dont think we are on the same question: You wouldn't rape someone, but you wouldn't say to a rapist "Dont do that" if it wasn't illegal? Forget about weither it would matter, or if they would rape you. Wouldn't you think it wrong at least?

Yes, he would, but another person might possibly not, because s/he's got different morals, because some morals are not static and absolute.

There is no abolute morality. It is just the direction of any given society at any given time. That piss poor example the site owner used with reference to Nazi Germany was horrible, because if not for Hitler's meth-amphetamine addiction clouding his judgement they would've most likely won the war, took control as a world power, and suceeded in the extermination of all sorts of races. Not to mention their god-awful tests. Does that mean some sort of power is watching out for us because it didn't happen? Hardly. Still, millions upon millions had to needlessly suffer and die for that power shift to come to fruition.

Anyway, morality isn't inherent in the world. It is something learned. First, on a familial value basis. Then, warped by an educational one. After that, warped by a societal one. Whatever comes out after getting put through the ringer is the end byproduct we like to call, morality. Generation after the generation these warped values change to match the times. It's quite simple- If you aren't born knowing it, it isn't inherent.

Perfect Example: Edgar Allen Poe, who married his 12 year old cousin.

That was normal for the times because a woman's chances of living past child birth were greater if she were younger. And, the younger the wife has children means more helping hands around the house when you are older.

Sooooo, young prepubescent girls were the hot thing of the times. Now-a-days, they'd toss you in a cell and throw away the key. And, most likely you'd be murdered in prison. So, which time period is wrong, then? Simply put- Neither. Because what is good and bad isn't inherent in the world.

We are born as clean slates...everything we know to be 'true' is learned after we are born.



And, I'll top it all off with a nice little cherry on top, with one of my favorite quotes...

Light in the absence of eyes, illuminates nothing.
Visible forms are not inherent in the world, but are granted by the act of seeing.
Though, the world and events do exist independant of mind, they obtain of no meaning in themselves.
None, that the mind is not guilty of imposing on them.
I bid my people follow, and like all good equations, they follow.
For full endowment of purpose they do submit.
In turn, they resign me to a role inhuman, impossible, and unaccountable...

hehe...such a great show. I'll let you wonder where that little gem is from.

Keeper it looks like SolSkye has anwsered the moraillity question, their is no morals. Please tell me where that quote was from, I only watch House on the internet so I don't watch T.V.

Wendy: Okay, what do you mean when you say Absolute?

I can only be sure that I'm thinking, so what I mean by Absolute I mean, 'I think theirfore I am'. The problem with the quiz is the person who wrote this is irrational. Where is the proof, where is the evidence, I see nothing but attacking the other side or ad hom. The point is this, I can proberly find holes in alot of theories, now if I attack evolution saying it not possible, it doesn't prove I'm right. You can't prove nothing wrong, thats where science comes in. With science you have evidence and with science you have the closes stance you will ever get to absolute truth. As said earlier this doesn't address uncertainty so is flawed, how can you be sure off what you believe isn't rubbish? I have sciencitific evidence to support my belief, have you keeper, also saying evolution is not possible or the big bang is not possible is not evidence, it's a logical fallacy.

@SolSkye
Well put. I think that's what most of the people are trying to say here.

And as for that quote... Trevor Goodchild? Yay! I can use teh intarweb!

Honestly though, I do like the quote.

Originally Posted by wendylove

I can only be sure that I'm thinking, so what I mean by Absolute I mean, 'I think theirfore I am'.

Can you really be sure you're thinking? I mean, I don't know who or what I am... Do you know what you are?

Can you really be sure you're thinking? I mean, I don't know who or what I am... Do you know what you are?

To anwser your question, if I not thinking then it doesn't matter like if I died I wouldn't care.