Thread: My response to the 10 Commandments.

Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. *
   * Except the Virgin Mary, and all the Saints. Feel free to treat them as if they were gods.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.... Thou shalt not bow down thyself nor serve them...*
   * Again, statuettes of Mary are exempt (especially weeping/bleeding/oozing ones), as are ornate carvings of My Son on the Cross. Oh, and pretty stained-glass windows. I like them.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. *
   * Without mitigating circumstances, such as whacking your thumb with a hammer. I've even done it Myself!
4. Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work. *
   * Preaching on a Sunday morning is exempt from this, as is running God-fearing cable-TV stations.
5. Honour thy father and thy mother that thy days may be long upon the land... *
   * Jesus always sent a Mother's Day card, so you better had too!
6. Thou shalt not murder. *
   * Unless it is done in My name, or I am on your side.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. *
   * Unless you're a King, in which case I give you Divine Right to do whatever the heck you like. If you get caught you can always blub in public and say that you know I forgive you.
8. Thou shalt not steal. *
   * Taking 10% of the earnings of the poor to build enormous cathedrals and fill them with gold baubles is not counted as stealing.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. *
   * Unless it helps to spread My message to the infidels. Creationists - why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house / wife / manservant / maidservant / ox / ass. *
    * It's okay to covet their mental health, peace of mind, sense of humour, intellectual integrity, rationality of thought and unmatched sexiness, even if they are hellbound atheists.

#1 and 2: So your talking about the Catholic church right? I mean most of this is everything I saw in the Catholic church, which I no longer follow.

#3: I never take the Lord's name.

#4. The seventh day of the week is Saturday.

#5: I honour my mother and father, but it's not like I've never went against their will. I have a great respect for my parents though.

#6: I've never murdered in the name of God, and no one in the Bible murdered in the name of God, God TOLD them to kill, we can't/shouldn't try and speak for God, which is why I wondered why any self proclaimed Christians ever did such things.

#7: Again God told people to have children with others to continue the family name and things like that, again TOLD them.

#8: This applies to the Catholic Church. No gold in my church.

#9: I preach the Bible and that's all I need to preach about.

#10: Umm Ok. So what you expected a list of every possible thing that could possibly be coveted?

Originally Posted by homer2020

#1 and 2: So your talking about the Catholic church right? I mean most of this is everything I saw in the Catholic church, which I no longer follow.

#3: I never take the Lord's name.

#4. The seventh day of the week is Saturday.

#5: I honour my mother and father, but it's not like I've never went against their will. I have a great respect for my parents though.

#6: I've never murdered in the name of God, and no one in the Bible murdered in the name of God, God TOLD them to kill, we can't/shouldn't try and speak for God, which is why I wondered why any self proclaimed Christians ever did such things.

#7: Again God told people to have children with others to continue the family name and things like that, again TOLD them.

#8: This applies to the Catholic Church. No gold in my church.

#9: I preach the Bible and that's all I need to preach about.

#10: Umm Ok. So what you expected a list of every possible thing that could possibly be coveted?

1 & 2- Cept the cross, paintings of God, windows in churches...

3- Never? Ha. I highly doubt that.

4- That's debated. Sunday is generally accepted as Sabbath and you still work on Saturday as an Xian.

5- Okay.

6- Erhm... Soldiers nowadays, Inquisition, Holy Wars.... And what's the difference? Still killing because a God said it was okay.

7- Damn, God sure makes alot of contradictions.

8- Offerings.

9- Bible says to pray in private, no need to do that.

10- Sure.

Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer

1 & 2- Cept the cross, paintings of God, windows in churches...

3- Never? Ha. I highly doubt that.

4- That's debated. Sunday is generally accepted as Sabbath and you still work on Saturday as an Xian.

5- Okay.

6- Erhm... Soldiers nowadays, Inquisition, Holy Wars.... And what's the difference? Still killing because a God said it was okay.

7- Damn, God sure makes alot of contradictions.

8- Offerings.

9- Bible says to pray in private, no need to do that.

10- Sure.

1 and 2: My church doesn't have windows it's in an old school, and there are no paintings of God, and how would you paint God?

3: I really don't doesn't matter what you think I do.

4: What the sabbath means to us today is to take a break, I''m sure it does not matter when, but don't work your life away. Take a break and pary, read, and worship God.

5: Yeah, I didn't know what you were getting at.

6: If God told me to go kill I would do it, but I'd know he had a good reason. Remeber not everyone who says they are a Christian are Christians, which just makes it harder for the people who know they are Christians.

7: Umm nope only good judgement.

8: We give offereing to the poor, and to pay off the church, to pay our pastor, people going on missions trips, church bills, and some other things I can't think about right now, does that sound like stealing.

9: I'm sire you know tons about the Bible, so what does parying in private have to do with anything? praying /=/ preaching

10: Oh.

Originally Posted by homer2020

1 and 2: My church doesn't have windows it's in an old school, and there are no paintings of God, and how would you paint God?

3: I really don't doesn't matter what you think I do.

4: What the sabbath means to us today is to take a break, I''m sure it does not matter when, but don't work your life away. Take a break and pary, read, and worship God.

5: Yeah, I didn't know what you were getting at.

6: If God told me to go kill I would do it, but I'd know he had a good reason. Remeber not everyone who says they are a Christian are Christians, which just makes it harder for the people who know they are Christians.

7: Umm nope only good judgement.

8: We give offereing to the poor, and to pay off the church, to pay our pastor, people going on missions trips, church bills, and some other things I can't think about right now, does that sound like stealing.

9: I'm sire you know tons about the Bible, so what does parying in private have to do with anything? praying /=/ preaching

10: Oh.

1 & 2- So the millions of churches that DO have them are all unholy?

3- Mmmkay.

4- So you're saying the Bible is WRONG, millions of Xians are WRONG?

5- K.

6- Millions of people have died because of Christianity, billions because of religion in itself. When people claim to have the blessing of God when killing it's still killing in the name of God even if they're faking.

7- Yeah. So good judgments are now contradictions? "Yeah just fucking with ya there guys... I meant that thing there, even though I said the opposite..."

8- What about televangelists? Paying pastors? Funding programs? Church should be free, and not use money for their own good.

9- Yep. I do. Thanks for the comment. Yes, it does. It's even worse, making other pray with you and believe.

10. OH!

Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer

1 & 2- So the millions of churches that DO have them are all unholy?

3- Mmmkay.

4- So you're saying the Bible is WRONG, millions of Xians are WRONG?

5- K.

6- Millions of people have died because of Christianity, billions because of religion in itself. When people claim to have the blessing of God when killing it's still killing in the name of God even if they're faking.

7- Yeah. So good judgments are now contradictions? "Yeah just fucking with ya there guys... I meant that thing there, even though I said the opposite..."

8- What about televangelists? Paying pastors? Funding programs? Church should be free, and not use money for their own good.

9- Yep. I do. Thanks for the comment. Yes, it does. It's even worse, making other pray with you and believe.

10. OH!

1/2: I'm not saying they are unholy, it's just that my church follows the commands of God. If the other churches don't want to that up to them, but it's not me who's judging them.

4: I'm not saying it's wrong, that's just what I believe about what the commandment is saying.

6: Killing in the name is different than having direct orders, I don't know why people are killing in the name of God.

7: Think of it like a cop, they can break the law in order to get something done.

8: what's bad about paying a pastor, he needs to live his life too, it's in the Bible that tells us to pay them.

9: I've only ever prayed with people who wanted to. To preach is to talk about/teach about the word of God, praying is talking to God and thanking him etcetera. "Whenever two or more are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" Matthew 18:20


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Originally Posted by homer2020

1/2: I'm not saying they are unholy, it's just that my church follows the commands of God. If the other churches don't want to that up to them, but it's not me who's judging them.

4: I'm not saying it's wrong, that's just what I believe about what the commandment is saying.

6: Killing in the name is different than having direct orders, I don't know why people are killing in the name of God.

7: Think of it like a cop, they can break the law in order to get something done.

8: what's bad about paying a pastor, he needs to live his life too, it's in the Bible that tells us to pay them.

9: I've only ever prayed with people who wanted to. To preach is to talk about/teach about the word of God, praying is talking to God and thanking him etcetera. "Whenever two or more are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" Matthew 18:20


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6- It's still killing. Killing is evil. Even if God didn't tell them, I see no reason to continue religion when it kills.

7- Erhmm... So God can break logic to write a book? No. He made a mistake, mistake = human= human writers= idea= human idea.

8- And, once again, what of televangelists?

9- Preaching involves praying and the like, even when told not to by the Bible. It forces others to do so.

Originally Posted by BeautifulDreamer

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. *
   * Except the Virgin Mary, and all the Saints. Feel free to treat them as if they were gods.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.... Thou shalt not bow down thyself nor serve them...*
   * Again, statuettes of Mary are exempt (especially weeping/bleeding/oozing ones), as are ornate carvings of My Son on the Cross. Oh, and pretty stained-glass windows. I like them.

Ok, I'm a "former" Catholic. I guess I really never was one because I realized I wasn't Catholic when I was about 14 so there really was no time when I could say that I "was" for sure. I would now consider myself something of an Agnostic.

Anyway, since these two are about the Catholic Church in general, I will explain them the way they were explained to me.

1. Catholics don't "worship" Mary and the saints. Catholics just hold them in very high regards. Catholics also don't pray TO the saints, they pray "THROUGH" them. A Catholic may, perhaps, pray to Saint Peregrine (just a random saint here) and Catholics then believe that Peregrine will take the message to God and through both God and Peregrine (or whatever saint they've prayed to/through) their prayer will be "stronger".

2. This one just means that you're not supposed to honor false Gods. I don't see anyone praying to a window. And while people do pray in front of crosses and such, I think that it is more something just to look at.

There is also a practice called Eucharistic Adoration that would probably fit into your category of worshiping false Gods. I'll just address that one now. Catholics believe that the host (a little piece of bread) and the wine that is eaten/drank during mass is actually THE BODY and BLOOD of Jesus Christ. No, not just a representation, but the actual Body and Blood. I have never believed this and neither have my Catholic siblings (as far as I know) or parents. The host is turned into the body of Christ by the priest in an action known as transubstantiation. During Eucharistic Adoration, transubstantiation is performed and then the host/body of Christ is put into a monstrance (A Monstrance is the vessel used in the Roman Catholic, Old Catholic, and Anglican Churches to display the consecrated Eucharistic during Eucharistic Adoration or Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament). Then monstrance is then displayed for all to see and the present Catholics are to pray/talk to God through the host/body of Christ. So, to Catholics, this would NOT be worshiping a false God, but worshiping the ACTUAL God.

Awww, come on people! No one ever argues with me...

fiiine....

I'll covet whomever I want. What's a guy supposed to do while riding the great white knuckler?

Originally Posted by Alcarinquë

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Ok, I'm a "former" Catholic. I guess I really never was one because I realized I wasn't Catholic when I was about 14 so there really was no time when I could say that I "was" for sure. I would now consider myself something of an Agnostic.

Anyway, since these two are about the Catholic Church in general, I will explain them the way they were explained to me.

1. Catholics don't "worship" Mary and the saints. Catholics just hold them in very high regards. Catholics also don't pray TO the saints, they pray "THROUGH" them. A Catholic may, perhaps, pray to Saint Peregrine (just a random saint here) and Catholics then believe that Peregrine will take the message to God and through both God and Peregrine (or whatever saint they've prayed to/through) their prayer will be "stronger".

2. This one just means that you're not supposed to honor false Gods. I don't see anyone praying to a window. And while people do pray in front of crosses and such, I think that it is more something just to look at.

There is also a practice called Eucharistic Adoration that would probably fit into your category of worshiping false Gods. I'll just address that one now. Catholics believe that the host (a little piece of bread) and the wine that is eaten/drank during mass is actually THE BODY and BLOOD of Jesus Christ. No, not just a representation, but the actual Body and Blood. I have never believed this and neither have my Catholic siblings (as far as I know) or parents. The host is turned into the body of Christ by the priest in an action known as transubstantiation. During Eucharistic Adoration, transubstantiation is performed and then the host/body of Christ is put into a monstrance (A Monstrance is the vessel used in the Roman Catholic, Old Catholic, and Anglican Churches to display the consecrated Eucharistic during Eucharistic Adoration or Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament). Then monstrance is then displayed for all to see and the present Catholics are to pray/talk to God through the host/body of Christ. So, to Catholics, this would NOT be worshiping a false God, but worshiping the ACTUAL God.

I agree with all your saying, well in the sense in that's what they believe. Too bad non of it is Biblical, you don't need to go through anyone but Jesus Christ to get to God (come on it's right there in the Bible, but I mean I guess the people of the church would have to read it in order to know that
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Originally Posted by Alcarinquë

Catholics believe that the host (a little piece of bread) and the wine that is eaten/drank during mass is actually THE BODY and BLOOD of Jesus Christ. No, not just a representation, but the actual Body and Blood.

To go rather off topic, there's a hilarious scene in V for Vendetta (the comic strip) where our anarchist friend 'V' poisons some sort of religious person (priest, whatever) with a communion thing (bagel or whatever it is) laced with cyanide. A detective some time later remarks "You know, the funny thing is, when it [the communion thingy] reached his stomach - it was still cyanide!"
I suppose this would definitely be a decisive test of scripture for a Catholic!

Originally Posted by homer2020

6: If God told me to go kill I would do it, but I'd know he had a good reason. Remeber not everyone who says they are a Christian are Christians, which just makes it harder for the people who know they are Christians.

That's a dangerous mind-set to have - what if you think God told you to kill people but you turn out to have made a mistake, and it wasn't really God, but some neighbors voice floating in through the window, or a drug (or sleep-deprivation) induced hallucination? I'd rather stay on the safe side.

Well I know it would never happen, because God has no need to talk through people anymore, so it was more of a hypothetical response.

Originally Posted by homer2020

Well I know it would never happen, because God has no need to talk through people anymore, so it was more of a hypothetical response.

And why doesn't he need to talk to people anymore?

I believe he absolutley needs to talk through people and does. I'd like to know why you feel that way to Homer.

Originally Posted by 27

I believe he absolutley needs to talk through people and does. I'd like to know why you feel that way to Homer.

Who is he speaking through?

His modern day prophets.

Originally Posted by 27

His modern day prophets.

Such as...?

Originally Posted by Alcarinquë

Such as...?

What did you think tourette syndrome was?

Originally Posted by Replicon

What did you think tourette syndrome was?

Is that supposed to be a joke?

Warning! Extremely vulgar!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

Being an atheist, I'll add that as far as I remember The Ten Commandments were given to people in The Old Testament. And there's no reason to think that Old and New are related. Yes, they were later named so, Old and New Testaments, but it happened later. The old one was related to old jewish religion, there was nothing about Christianity there. Christianity was created later, when Jesus "came" and his disciples "wrote" different pieces that were later compiled and called "The New Testament". And he never confirmed anywhere that the old Jewish religion was true. In fact, the gods are different in these two pieces: in the first one god is extremely cruel, but for Jesus god is loving and kind...
So when discussing the commandments and contradictions, no modern or Jesus-time examples should be taken.

For instance,

Honour thy father and thy mother that thy days may be long upon the land...
Jesus always sent a Mother's Day card, so you better had too!

That's kind of a wrong disproval, because it's about Jesus. No reason to assume that when he said God he meant the same God the jewish people had before he came.
And Jesus didn't treat his mother exeptionally well, indeed...

Originally Posted by Alcarinquë

Is that supposed to be a joke?

Do you really need to ask?

Yes, because it didn't make alot of sence, anyway,

My church is lead by a first presidency and quorum of twelve apostles who we sustain as prophets, seers, and revelators.

Intended, there's no argument that Jesus "came" or that his diciples "wrote" books so it's stupid to use "quotations". And the old testiment is still accepted as canon and is an important part of christianity. And how did Jesus not treat his mother well?

Originally Posted by 27

I believe he absolutley needs to talk through people and does. I'd like to know why you feel that way to Homer.

He "talks" to people in a way that shows people where to go, like a feeling of knowing what to do, ie. praying about wanting to know whether you should go to a certain college, then getting a scholarship to that college. But God has said all he had to say during the NT and he sent His son to die for us, basically he has come to the world and no longer needs to reveal anything about himself, other than what He has already said. ( sorry if something doesn't really make sense I'm tired)