What I believe ...

[Keeper]

Feel free to comment on this or add your own ... 1) I believe that there is a Creator, who made everything 2) I believe that Evolution is wrong ... however, I also believe - to a degree, that natural selection is real. 3) I don't believe there is a "Hell", nor do I believe in Purgatory 4) I believe that when you die, you "sleep" till Judgment Day 5) I believe that "Every knee will bow" before God, and "Every tongue confess that He is Lord" 6) Thus, I also believe that Everyone will live with God in the end 7) I believe that the Bible has - to a degree - been tampered with 8 ) I believe that Everything has a purpose, and that God cannot make a mistake. I also believe that God's mind is infinitely more complex then mine Now, with the exception of number one and number eight on this above list, I believe I could be completely wrong. The reason for the exceptions is what I refer to (at least to myself) as "The Author of Reality". In short, I believe that God Created our reality in much the same way that we write books. Okay, not exactly the same way, but the notion remains. Obviously this isn't all I believe, but they are major parts.

[joey11223]

just to tell you, you need to space the 8 and ) because at the moment it is a smiley. Use 8 ) or 8.) 1 and 8 seem valid enough. But like you said, the others are your opinion and some of them are rejected in certain parts of the Bible and enforced in others. For example the Bible does suggest there is a flaming lake known as Hell were sinners go. But also it suggests God is all forgiving. I think the point is God is all forgiving to his followers, but as an Atheist, i would not be forgiven. Depends on how to interpret the scriptures. But again thats fine, as long as you don't spent your days knocking on peoples doors who don't follow that line of thought and don't rally outside abortion clinics making women who are making the most difficult decision possible even worse, then i don't mind. but 5 even i would agree with. If God indeed exists, then of course everyone will bow, i would, everyone to bow if they saw raw power and perfection, i cant imagine it, but i'm sure we all drop to the ground and cry in its beauty. Also everyone would repent, as would i. However in saying that. I can't follow the line of thought that i should become Christian to save myself, as an insurance policy if you will. Because i don't believe in God, i can imagine God but i don't believe in him. If i pay lip service and pretend to just to save my own ass, God would know, and because i can used his name for such a selfish end as to save myself and enter paradise, i would be more deserving of Hell then an Atheist who at least stood by his convictions like a man. Also Seeker, what is that thing in your signature? The evil magic looking dude, who is he?

[pokilty]

Sounds like you found a very comfortable place between religion and this reality; that's all you need. I respect that

[Keeper]

just to tell you, you need to space the 8 and ) because at the moment it is a smiley. Use 8 ) or 8.) I'll get right on it 1 and 8 seem valid enough. But like you said, the others are your opinion and some of them are rejected in certain parts of the Bible and enforced in others. For example the Bible does suggest there is a flaming lake known as Hell were sinners go. But also it suggests God is all forgiving. I think the point is God is all forgiving to his followers, but as an Atheist, i would not be forgiven. Depends on how to interpret the scriptures. Exactly its all about interpretation But again thats fine, as long as you don't spent your days knocking on peoples doors who don't follow that line of thought and don't rally outside abortion clinics making women who are making the most difficult decision possible even worse, then i don't mind. I agree. I may not like it, but I don't have the right to try to directly stop it but 5 even i would agree with. If God indeed exists, then of course everyone will bow, i would, everyone to bow if they saw raw power and perfection, i cant imagine it, but i'm sure we all drop to the ground and cry in its beauty. Also everyone would repent, as would i. However in saying that. I can't follow the line of thought that i should become Christian to save myself, as an insurance policy if you will. Because i don't believe in God, i can imagine God but i don't believe in him. If i pay lip service and pretend to just to save my own ass, God would know, and because i can used his name for such a selfish end as to save myself and enter paradise, i would be more deserving of Hell then an Atheist who at least stood by his convictions like a man. I can respect that Also Seeker, what is that thing in your signature? The evil magic looking dude, who is he? It's the new Archon for StarCraft 2 Sounds like you found a very comfortable place between religion and this reality; that's all you need. I respect that Thank you

[joey11223]

oh Starcraft 2 , i heard of that game. I;m into those RTS future tank games at the moment. I have CNC3 and Supreme commander, i prefer Supreme Commander but i cant appreciate it as well because it's a very demanding game and my comp just can't handle it. So is Starcraft 2 any good in your opinion and can it do without an amazing computer? I have CNC3 like i said and it runs reasonably on a four player game on high settings.

[Keeper]

Still coming, but from what I've seen, it is going to be one of the best of all time

[joey11223]

pm me with your reply so this doesn't go totally off topic.. But i dont know much about it, i heard it's like Command and Conquer3,tiberian sun or which ever ones u played. Because you harvest crystals like that? Is it a space game though or normal like cnc?

[Alcarinquë]

I guess I'll use yours and put my beliefs in there. 1) I believe that there is a Creator. Or atleast, I'm pretty sure. I'm not really sure at all. 2) I believe that Evolution is true. I also believe that natural selection is real. 3) I don't believe there is a Hell, Purgatory, or Heaven. 4) I believe that when you die, you exist in some other sort of way. Sort of like being a spirit or ghost. 5) I believe that no one will bow before a God. We will just continue in our being. 6) Thus, I also believe that everyone will live with whomever they want to in the end. 7) I believe that the Bible is false. 8 ) I believe that everything doesn't have a "purpose" except to live. We weren't put here on purpose. We just happened to evolve into these really cool organisms. BTW: Why does everyone keep calling Keeper, Seeker?

[joey11223]

ok apart from 1 where i am like 99% sure there isn't a creator. Or at least not like any God that has been described, i basically agree with that. I', often on the fence with ghosts and spirits because i think i saw one. But at the same time it could have been anything. My mum thinks that ghosts are time travelers and that some people are either more sensitive and can see the distortions they make or that the time travelers is on a wrong frequency and so they can phase into the visible light spectrum of a moment. I can see the logic in that one and that is also one of my theories, serious i have a lot of "crazy" theories really. But at the same time i can't ignore that we are just animals that have risen to sentience. It was an obvious step and so in that respect i can accept that when we die that's it. The brain is like a really complex organic computer, when you pull the plug on a computer, it shuts down, the AI in games stop when you close the game, etc.

[Kromoh]

I like your point of view Keeper Some nice beliefs you have over there I am atheist myself, but I support constructive beliefs What I disagree with is religious organisations: churches, religious societies etc Everyone should find their own truth, not follow some wicked lie made by someone else ---------------------------------- 1) I do not believe in any superior creator. 2) I believe in most of evolution, and implicitly in natural selection. 3) I do not believe in any form of afterlife. 4) I believe that our eventual destiny belongs here, if we are good or bad here, the outcome is only within ourselves. 5) I believe that there is nothing after we die, so there is nothing or noone there. We simply stop existing. 6) I believe that the Bible has been tampered with. Actually, it's all a human creation to me eyes. Maybe Jesus did exist and was a wise man, but not an incarnation of a god. 7) I am determinist, and do not believe in free will. Everything that happens is defined by how the laws of the universe (gravity etc) interact.

[maytodecember]

1. I believe that God is the creator. 2. I believe in the holy 3 in 1 trinity, the Father, the Son and The Holy Ghost. 3. I believe that Jesus is Gods son, adn he is without sin. 4. I believe that mary was not perfect, but more close than any other human, other than Jesus. 5. I believe that Jesus died on the Cross to save sinners and he rose again on the third day. 7. I believe that anyone who is not a born again Christian will not go to heaven. 8. I believe that homosexuality is wrong, but just as wrong as anyother sin, no one is without sin. 9. I believe that Evoltion is false, there is no legitimate proof. I do believe in natural selection.

[Marvo]

I think you are wrong about what you really believe, Keeper. Hehe, ehm no, but many christians and other religious people seem to actually be atheists deep down, but they stay religious, to fit in and to keep a hope, I guess. I have a friend, who is a lot like you, Keeper. He's very smart, he knows a lot, but he's also very skeptical. I don't really know if he's an atheist or a christian, or agnostic, but we often have great times discussing stuff. The sucky thing is, that all our other friends can't discuss at the level as we can, me and my friend. The point is, I know your type, and I think that through your post, I got to know a little more about my friend.

[^R^ed-$py]

Feel free to comment on this or add your own ... 1) I believe that there is a Creator, who made everything 2) I believe that Evolution is wrong ... however, I also believe - to a degree, that natural selection is real. 3) I don't believe there is a "Hell", nor do I believe in Purgatory 4) I believe that when you die, you "sleep" till Judgment Day 5) I believe that "Every knee will bow" before God, and "Every tongue confess that He is Lord" 6) Thus, I also believe that Everyone will live with God in the end 7) I believe that the Bible has - to a degree - been tampered with 8 ) I believe that Everything has a purpose, and that God cannot make a mistake. I also believe that God's mind is infinitely more complex then mine Now, with the exception of number one and number eight on this above list, I believe I could be completely wrong. The reason for the exceptions is what I refer to (at least to myself) as "The Author of Reality". In short, I believe that God Created our reality in much the same way that we write books. Okay, not exactly the same way, but the notion remains. Obviously this isn't all I believe, but they are major parts. Glad to hear that someone believes in God , i agree with some of your points keeper but not all .

[Lucid_boy]

well joey, when the end of days begins (If it's soon and yer still alive) I hope you'll relize you rmistake, I'm pulling for you pal. Also I have a question? what happens to all the damned souls when hell is destroyed and god establishes his holy kingdom?

[joey11223]

Lucid your never going to understand are you. I CANNOT BECOME A CHRISTIAN NOW! It is against what i believe in. I don't think a God exists, i think it's part of some humans to need a creator to give them purpose, or they will curl up and die. I can't pretend to be a Christian and pay lip service just to save myself from Hell, because i wouldn't believe what i was saying and i'd ony; be doing it for selfish ends. Therefore i would be more deserving of Hell then an Atheist because i was a coward and lied.

[Bonsay]

well joey, when the end of days begins (If it's soon and yer still alive) I hope you'll relize you rmistake, I'm pulling for you pal. Also I have a question? what happens to all the damned souls when hell is destroyed and god establishes his holy kingdom? What if there is some X god who sends you to hell if you are a chrisitian. I hope you'll realize your mistake. And even if you're right, god loves me and he'll help me and others that need help.

[joey11223]

^^ aye like Allah.

[wer]

1. I believe that we are all connected and belong to some-kind of collective consciousness, although the essence of this "Source" is beyond my reach, I have only touched it. 2. I believe that the "ego-loss" experienced on certain psychedelics and through certain meditations brings you much closer to reaching a state of union with the Source. 3. I believe that there many higher dimensions then the physical one, and that these realms can be accessed through astral projection and psychedelics. 4. I believe, though not strictly, in reincarnation. 5. I believe that the big bang came about through consciousness to create a cosmos of physical being and hard experience, where consciousness could then evolve through physical life and evolution (chaos was necessary in order for a world of such hard experience to exist). Currently I believe that along with physical change in the evolutionary process (this process is the reason why our universe is here, this process is the only way original consciousness could advance), there is also a rising of higher and more aware consciousness with the physical evolution process, along with evolution of the energy body. 6. I believe we have reached a turning point in our existence here on Earth. I believe that through the various means of communication across the globe has begun to cause a major rise of awareness. I believe we have already mentally evolved enough to reach truly outstanding heights, its just a matter of awareness. 7. I believe that the "chi" or "psi" energy psions use is directly connected to consciousness, or even could be consciousness itself. I believe that through this energy we can become masters of the environment around us, because this is the source from which the physical originated from. 8. I believe Science is just fantastic, but it simply can not debunk the mystery of consciousness. Maybe we could get as far as being able to detect energy activity taking place directly on this plane, but as for where its from or understanding the astral planes, I don't believe we ever will through scientific means, just because I believe the astral planes are some kind of higher dimension then our own. 9. I believe, of course, that there is a continuing of consciousness after death. My beliefs to how this would take place are pretty undecided, but from experience I've came to think that we end up on the real time zone after death, with complete ego-loss and a sense of being born. At that time I believe you either stay on the real time zone (if your ready), die again, and refine into a finer dimension, or reincarnate as a natural part of consciousness evolution (if you are not ready). 10. My beliefs as to where consciousness is exactly headed, I can't even think of a belief. I have no idea. I don't think we just join back into the Source, and although I totally think its possible, it would simply mean that life is just this constant cycle of consciousness, and that leaves me to ask, why do we evolve then, if thats the case? 11. I believe religion was just ancient mans attempt to explain the Source and our connection to everything around us. I believe that every religion is tied in with each other, they are simply several far fetched attempts to explain things, although I think many Eastern Religions came very close to getting it right. 12. I believe that there was no beginning to the Source, it is eternal as are we. Perhaps the meaning to life is to understand the Source, with all its infinant mysteries. 13. I believe that disassociated psychedelics bring you very close to union with the Source. I believe that trytamine psychedelics do something similar but also very different at the same time, with the tryptamines I feel some try to teach you lessons and even have collective memory and maybe even consciousness associated with it, working through its effects on consciousness to bring the user's consciousness into a different dimension and state of being. I have not come to fully understand these types of psychedelics, but I diffinantly believe that they are special and take us closer to whatever it is we are trying to reach. The disassociates, however, are very easy for me to understand. The effect of ego-loss is very profound and tends to take over the experience for me, and the feeling is out of this world, and with high doses it really feels like union with the Source of everything.

[wannywan]

2) I believe that Evolution is wrong ... however, I also believe - to a degree, that natural selection is real. How can you believe in a theory that describes how evolution works, but not believe in evolution itself? It would be like saying, "I believe that gravity is wrong ... however, I also believe - to a degree, that the theory of gravity is real." Or "I believe that John doesn't get the newspaper every Sunday, however, I also believe - to a degree, that the theory:- 'John gets the newspapers every Sunday because his father is ill' is real."

[SilverZero]

How can you believe in a theory that describes how evolution works, but not believe in evolution itself? It would be like saying, "I believe that gravity is wrong ... however, I also believe - to a degree, that the theory of gravity is real." Or "I believe that John doesn't get the newspaper every Sunday, however, I also believe - to a degree, that the theory:- 'John gets the newspapers every Sunday because his father is ill' is real." He (or she) can believe it by saying, "I believe that natural mutations occur between generations on the genetic level, some of which lead to specific advantages that may, over time, result in a new species better adapted to a specific environment - but I don't believe that all life arose from one bacterium billions of years ago." One is observable and proven, the other is weakly-supported conjecture.

[B.Lorenzo]

Hello everyone new to the board!!!! That's why I'm glad I found this board, to discuss topics like this. BTW this is my first post. I just find it hard to believe that a GOD or something/one created all of this. I believe pretty much when your DEAD your DEAD. It's all like a big dream to me b/c when I think about it-it's really NO beginning point for anything which alwayz leads me back to if there is a beginning point how did that begin and something before that and so on and so on, so that's just my biggest thing. Sorry to ramble on my first post but I had to get started somewhere. One thing is for sure though I'm scared to DIE!!!!

[SilverZero]

Hello everyone new to the board!!!! That's why I'm glad I found this board, to discuss topics like this. BTW this is my first post. I just find it hard to believe that a GOD or something/one created all of this. I believe pretty much when your DEAD your DEAD. It's all like a big dream to me b/c when I think about it-it's really NO beginning point for anything which alwayz leads me back to if there is a beginning point how did that begin and something before that and so on and so on, so that's just my biggest thing. Sorry to ramble on my first post but I had to get started somewhere. One thing is for sure though I'm scared to DIE!!!! Welcome! Be sure to spend time on the other boards as well (that have to do with dreaming), or you risk getting banned. So say the rules, anyway. So why do you believe what you believe?

[B.Lorenzo]

OK, didn't know about that I will def. get into the other forum!!!! It's just unthinkable you know like a movie to say someone or some spirit said let their be light, etc., etc.!!!! But on the other hand I'm like what if it's true then I die and burn 4ever!!!!

[Sornaensis]

I do not believe in god. (Obviously) "Why?" you ask... 1.) The bible (OT) was written 6000 years ago. The (NT) was written 2000 years ago. 2.) The bible has too many contradictions to be considered REMOTLEY valid. 3.) There have been over 12000 recorded religions in earth's history. (Roughly 2/3 are polytheistic (E.G. Cristianity, Norse mythology))So, why is everyone's religion always "right"? Because religion is a man-made idea. What i believe...: 1.) There is a multi, and mathiverse that both happened by chance. 2.) When you die, you die. 3.) I believe the earth is roughly 4.5 BYO. 4.) i believe in evolution and (The raw basics of) Abiogenesis. And now 4 comments...

[RooJ]

Seismosaur, your reasons seem more about why you don't believe in Christianity than in God, proving one religion wrong doesn't necessarily disprove the existence of a God. I know your reasons for not believing probably go beyond your dissagreement with christianity but your points didnt show that . When thinking about the possibility of a God you should forget all current religions, their texts and opinions, and approach the subject from a completely neutral perspective.