Thread: y some of u choose to be atheist

Agnostic is the way to go if your not following one faith because you dont know that there isnt something out there, there may not but there very well may be also.

exactly... that way if there is a god u dont get screwed over in the end. if there isnt you havent wasted much time in it anyways. but you still live your life as if there was. like not making fun of other religions


idiots..

I think people don't choose to be atheists because they want to bash people. They become atheists. Then some of them choose to bash christians. But they don't say, "hey I'll be an atheist cause I want to bash christians." You can be Muslim if you want to do that .

I guess I've been known to fuel the fire here and there, but it really depends on what I'm responding to. If it's at least semi-intelligible, then I love to have an interesting discussion about it. No pushing of views, just a sharing of information and knowledge.

But when someone posts some dumbass brainfart (like in the hole in the heart thing from before, or that kid who asked if he'll go to hell for reading a book), it's too hard to resist. But I think it's better to be a bit more subtle than the full-on flame. For example, with that last example, a simple "yes" will suffice .

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

exactly... that way if there is a god u dont get screwed over in the end. if there isnt you havent wasted much time in it anyways. but you still live your life as if there was. like not making fun of other religions


idiots..

Why would an atheist get "Screwed over" in the end any more than an agnostic would? This reasoning is dangerously close to the enormous fallacy that is Pascal's Wager.

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

i think some of you choose to be atheist because u are at a forum read what people have to say and go with their opinion because it is in fact more believable.

And you would choose otherwise because it was more unbelievable?

How did you choose your belief Ahhchuu? ooh & Bless you!

Off the bat I'd just like to say don't tell us how we look stupid when you are asking us "y some of u choose to be atheist." Besides the obvious, people don't "choose" to be atheist. People don't choose to be as such, just as people do not choose to be hetero or homosexual.

Now, the reason I became an atheist was indeed reading on the forum. A formerly active member, BradyBaker, who I respect a lot, argued religion on the forum a lot and his views really influenced me. I first questioned god, then admitted to myself I was an atheist. I've been an atheist for probably 2-3 years now because of this forum (been here for 4 years).

The second sentence of your post is pretty ignorant, I'd say. But honestly, do you believe yourself there, or are you just saying that out of frustration of theist-bashing atheists? Well, I agree, there are some out there. Furthermore what the hell does "wanna be atheist" mean? Atheism is not a fad or a club, it's a belief (or rather, a non-belief). There is no such thing as "wanna be atheists."

Do you fully understand the meaning of agnosticism? It's okay if you don't, I didn't either when I was younger and I incorrectly labeled myself an agnostic. Agnosticism is the belief that its impossible to prove there is -- or isn't -- a god. I am an agnostic, as well as an atheist. I believe that there isn't a god, but realistically I know it's impossible to prove there isn't, and arrogant to believe it's possible. Most relatively open-minded atheists are agnostics, as well. We all realize it's not impossible there is a god... just very, very improbable. I mean, I am agnostic in the sense that I believe it's impossible to prove there isn't a god, and at the same time I think it's impossible to prove there isn't an invisible pink pony with wings living underneath my house.

I agree that many people would not profess the same ideas in real life as on the forum, though. The forum masks the user and removes any risk of consequences for what people say, and therefore people are much, much more truthful in what they believe and say.

But in retrospect it seems to me that this is more of a thread spiteful toward atheists than an honest question. But no matter, I felt like ranting.

ud get screwed over if ur atheist for the fact that you dont abide by some religions rules. as an agnostic i know rules of christianity and i use them as a somewhat guide for decisions. as an atheist would not even care to think of the religious consequences.

i used to be athiest, then i had an expierience and am expeirencing things that lead me to believe there is something out there beyond the norm of human reality.


please dont ask what its hard to explain

Ahhchuu if your going to argue in a semi-intelligent topic please take the time to make your post sound it!

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

exactly... that way if there is a god u dont get screwed over in the end. if there isnt you havent wasted much time in it anyways. but you still live your life as if there was. like not making fun of other religions


idiots..

As Replicon said... agnostics, supposedly, go to hell just as much as atheists do. I find it humorous that you are bashing us and calling us idiots, when your SOLE reason for agnosticism is fear -- fear of going to hell. That to me, is idiotic.

My basic philosophy here is that being atheist, you are just as safe as a theist. If there was a god, and this god was truly benevolent, as they say, then the god would let ANYONE into heaven, including atheists. If not, to be honest, who would really want to go to heaven anyways? Full of a bunch of goodie-goodies, yes-men, and people who don't think for themself. Hardly sounds interesting. Hell, on the other hand... think of who you meet there. Galileo, Socrates, Albert Einstein, Martha Stewart, AC/DC, etc. Seriously, anyone interesting is in hell right now, according to what religion teaches.

Originally Posted by ataraxis

As Replicon said... agnostics, supposedly, go to hell just as much as atheists do. I find it humorous that you are bashing us and calling us idiots, when your SOLE reason for agnosticism is fear -- fear of going to hell. That to me, is idiotic.

My basic philosophy here is that being atheist, you are just as safe as a theist. If there was a god, and this god was truly benevolent, as they say, then the god would let ANYONE into heaven, including atheists. If not, to be honest, who would really want to go to heaven anyways? Full of a bunch of goodie-goodies, yes-men, and people who don't think for themself. Hardly sounds interesting. Hell, on the other hand... think of who you meet there. Galileo, Socrates, Albert Einstein, Martha Stewart, AC/DC, etc. Seriously, anyone interesting is in hell right now, according to what religion teaches.

I completely agree with you 100% on that one!

i say wannabe atheists because i believe a lot of these people join the view of atheism because it makes you believe there are no eternal consequences.. just like the movement of anarchists they want to be able to do anything they want.

its why i became atheist and i am probably not alone. it is enticing.

people have to realise, just because your atheist does not mean you can be a total dickhead to everyone in the world. its immoral, that is why religion in the past was so heavily placed on people is because people would be animals literaly. now we have sophistocated law enforcment for the the more technologically advanced cultures to keep it under control.

i think being agnostic preserves the morals that other religions have set in place. atheists should relise morals are an important part of their choice in religion also.

Originally Posted by The Question

Ahhchuu if your going to argue in a semi-intelligent topic please take the time to make your post sound it!

Seconded... it's normally not very important, but focus a bit on improving your English so it's a bit more legible. Just remember, capitilization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle jack off a horse" and "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse."

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

ud get screwed over if ur atheist for the fact that you dont abide by some religions rules. as an agnostic i know rules of christianity and i use them as a somewhat guide for decisions. as an atheist would not even care to think of the religious consequences.

Regardless, agnostics are still treated, in the bible, the same way as atheists. If you don't follow Jesus, you're going to hell, mate. No getting out of that, no matter how unsinful you, an agnostic, are.

I repeat, though: Agnosticism is not a step down from atheism, really. It's not less intense atheism, it's a completely different belief.

im not afraid to go to hell. to be honest if i go to hell for the things i do in life i am ready to be punished for it. but i dont think that im going to goto hell for my choice in religion. there are things that could be true, and there are things you know have been put in place to have more followers by a greedy religious leader who wanted more church donations.

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

i say wannabe atheists because i believe a lot of these people join the view of atheism because it makes you believe there are no eternal consequences.. just like the movement of anarchists they want to be able to do anything they want.

its why i became atheist and i am probably not alone. it is enticing.

people have to realise, just because your atheist does not mean you can be a total dickhead to everyone in the world. its immoral, that is why religion in the past was so heavily placed on people is because people would be animals literaly. now we have sophistocated law enforcment for the the more technologically advanced cultures to keep it under control.

i think being agnostic preserves the morals that other religions have set in place. atheists should relise morals are an important part of their choice in religion also.

Ahhchuu you make alot of generalizations and judgments about a certain belief as a whole, there really is alot of diversity among a common group of beliefs, ataraxis is a great example he is an atheist as he says, but he is not a "dickhead" , he has been very level headed actually.

i am speaking of the the 15 year old kids who think they know everything after reading someones argument on a forum, then doing what they want.

this isnt a generalisation from just this forum... its from what ive seen for over 5 years.

Ive never been influenced by anyone elses opinion. Just facts. thats probably why im kinda crazy though. keeping an open mind is the key like ahhchuu said. so you dont get fucked over if there is a god or a giant boob or w/e god is.

Originally Posted by LdMichael

god or a giant boob or w/e god is.

BEST COMMENT IV HEARD YET ON DREAMVIEWS!!!

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

i say wannabe atheists because i believe a lot of these people join the view of atheism because it makes you believe there are no eternal consequences.. just like the movement of anarchists they want to be able to do anything they want.

I'm sorry but you believed wrong. Anyone who is compelled to do whatever they want will do it anyways, without switching their belief systems. A book I once read, "The Brothers Karamazov," has a leading character named Ivan, an atheist. He once said something similar to what you are saying... he said "There is no virtue if there is no immortality." Another character says "His whole theory is squalid. Mankind will find strength in itself to live for virtue, even without believing in the immortality of the soul! Find it in the love of liberty, equality, fraternity . . . " Basically, atheists have just a good of morals as anyone else. In fact, they might have better morals than a theist. A theist believes they have an eternity to have fun, so if they do something bad or screw up, well, they have eternity. For atheists, we have one life, shouldn't screw it up.

people have to realise, just because your atheist does not mean you can be a total dickhead to everyone in the world. its immoral, that is why religion in the past was so heavily placed on people is because people would be animals literaly. now we have sophistocated law enforcment for the the more technologically advanced cultures to keep it under control.

i think being agnostic preserves the morals that other religions have set in place. atheists should relise morals are an important part of their choice in religion also.

Atheists have morals just like anyone else. The only difference is their morals come from a different source (other than religion).

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

i am speaking of the the 15 year old kids who think they know everything after reading someones argument on a forum, then doing what they want.

this isnt a generalisation from just this forum... its from what ive seen for over 5 years.

I'm 16...

I am 17

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

exactly... that way if there is a god u dont get screwed over in the end. if there isnt you havent wasted much time in it anyways. but you still live your life as if there was. like not making fun of other religions


idiots..

What about the god which sends agnostics to hell?

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

i think some of you choose to be atheist because u are at a forum read what people have to say and go with their opinion because it is in fact more believable. i also think some of you choose to be atheist so u can bash every christian that comes in your path so u can say the things that you have read every other wanna be atheist say.

im agnostic. i think that there are possibilitys in all religions but i refuse to believe that one is the prime example. if your atheist ways are wrong and like in the other post where the person said love jesus cuz u got a hole in your heart blah blah. you shouldnt be saying shit like omg your lord is bullshit, cuz it is possible there is one.

to be honest it makes u look stupid i know damn well you wouldnt be doing that shit in real life because you know that.

We didn't start getting that direct with him until he told us we were going to Hell and did it in a very insulting way. And belief is not a choice.

Ahhchuu is a hypocrite, he comes in with half baked wrong ideas, terrible grammar and a chip on his shoulder and he has the gall to call atheists

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

idiots..

Ahhchuu,
As others have pointed out, you can't claim your agnostic and still expect to get into the christian heaven. You either believe in Jesus as the son of god who died for your sins or you dont, if you do you're theist, if you don't then you're going to hell.

Im agnostic, pascals wager wasnt involved in my choosing, and i also don't believe in the christian idea of god after much research.

Originally Posted by Ahhchuu

i think being agnostic preserves the morals that other religions have set in place. atheists should relise morals are an important part of their choice in religion also.

I dont believe religion is responsible for morals, george bush is a christian as a prime example, Osama bin laden follows islam, Hitler was a christian. People have always killed each other, before and after religions, nothings changed except now we do it more efficiently than ever.
Another interesting example is smaller communities throughtout the world, theres many tribes basically untouched by our religions, do these people go around slaughtering each other day to day? No, their communities wouldnt survive if they did. These people dont need our supposed words of god to build their morals, they know that in the vast majority of cases killing is wrong.

I know theres more to morals than killing but thats the example i focused on .