Thread: Koran promotes justice and equality

Very well said, my friend.

And devour not each other’s property among yourselves wrongfully, nor seek to gain access to that by bribing judges so that you devour a part of the property of men wrongfully while ye know. [2: 188]

Come not near to the orphan’s wealth except with what is better till he attains maturity. Keep up the promise; verily of the promise you will be asked. [17: 34]

And give not unto those (orphans) weak in understanding your (maintained) properties that God hath entrusted with you to maintain; but feed and clothe them from it, and speak to them kindly. And check the orphans for their puberty. And if ye find them of sound judgment, restore unto them their property. Devour it not extravagantly in a hurry, lest they should grow up. If the guardian is well-off, let him refrain generously (from taking any remuneration from the orphans’ property), but if he is poor, let him have thereof for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye return them their properties, call witnesses in their presence. And God sufficeth as a Reckoner. [4: 5-6]

Verily God commandeth you to restore trusts to their owners, and if ye judge between mankind, judge justly. [4: 58]

(O mankind!) Give full measure; and be not of those who give less (who cheat). And weigh with right scales. And wrong not men of their things (or rights), and act not corruptly in the earth, making mischief. [ 26: 181-183]

Give full measure when ye measure; and weigh with right scales. This is fair and better in the end. [17: 35]

Those who devour usury cannot rise except as one who rises whom the devil hath prostrated by touch. That is because they say: ‘Trading is just like usury’; but God hath permitted trading and forbidden usury. … God blesseth not usury; but He causeth charitable deeds (sadaqa) to prosper. He loveth not an ungrateful sinner. [2: 275-276]

O ye who believe! Devour not usury, doubling and quadrupling; and be careful of (your duty to) God, that ye may succeed. [Imran (3): 130] … That which ye give in usury in order that it may increase people’s property hath no increase with God, but that which ye give in charity (zakat), seeking God’s pleasure, hath increase manifold. [30: 39]

[2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, "In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit." They also ask you what to give to (sadaqa) charity : say, "The excess." The GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you, that you may reflect,

[ 9:60] (Sadaqa) Charities shall go to the poor, the needy, the workers who collect them, the new converts, to free the slaves, to those burdened by sudden expenses, in the cause of God and to the traveling alien. Such is God's commandment. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.

[2:215] They ask thee what they should spend (Nafaqa). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -The God knoweth it well.

[2:262] Those who spend their substance in the cause of God, and follow not up their gifts with reminders of their generosity or with injury,-for them their reward is with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

[2:263] Kind words and the covering of faults are better than charity followed by injury. God is free of all wants, and He is Most-Forbearing.



How can you say Islam is not good? I told you, Islam is peace, justice, equality and good. Stop watching Fox news.

Real Islam is only in Koran

THE KORAN ALSO SAYS THIS:

9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (…).

4.76 Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil. (…).

61.4 Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause.

4.95 (…) And those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their person, Allah hath granted a grade higher grade than to those who sit at home. (…). Those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit at home by a great reward.

4.74 Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah – whether he is slain of gets victory – soon shall We give him a reward of great value.

3.169&170 Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance from their Lord. They rejoice in the Bounty provided by Allah. (…). The martyrs glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they cause to grieve.

4.76 Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan (…).

4.84 Then fight in Allah's cause – thou art held responsible only for thyself – and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the unbelievers, for Allah is the strongest in might and punishment.

8.65 O Prophet! Rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty among you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers: for these are people without understanding.

9.123 O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

4.101 When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for hear the unbelievers may attack you: for the unbelievers are unto you open enemies.

3.151 Soon We shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers (…): their abode will be the Fire: and evil is the home of the wrong-doers.

8.12 Remember thy Lord inspired the Angels with the message: "(…) I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them".

8.59&60 Let not the unbelievers think they have escaped (…). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of your enemies.

16.112 Allah sets forth a Parable: a city enjoying security and quiet, abundantly supplied with sustenance from every place: yet it was ungrateful for the favors of Allah: so Allah made it taste of hunger and terror in extremes, closing in on it like a garment from every side, because of the evil which its people wrought.

17.16 When We decide to destroy a town, We command those among them who are given the good things of this life to be obedient, but they continued to transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then We destroyed them utterly.

5.33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

(5.38 As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a retribution for their deed and exemplary punishment from Allah.)

8.67 It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until He hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world, but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: and Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.

70.28 to 31 For their Lord's punishment is not a thing to feel secure from: And those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the captives which their right hand possesses – for then they are not to be blamed. But those who trespass beyond this are transgressors.

3.169&170 Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance from their Lord. They rejoice in the Bounty provided by Allah. (…). The martyrs glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they cause to grieve.

4.74 Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah – whether he is slain of gets victory – soon shall We give him a reward of great value.

7.81 For ye who practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.

4.11 Allah thus directs you as regards your children's inheritance: to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.

4.34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women. (…). Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them first, next refuse to share their beds, and last, beat them.

4.3 (…) marry women of your choice, two, three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one.

1.221 Do not marry unbelieving women until they believe: a slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allure you. Nor marry your girls to unbelievers until they believe: a man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever. Unbelievers do but beckon you to the Fire.

CONCLUSION: NO, ISLAM IS NOT PEACE, NO, ISLAM IS NOT FREEDOM (in fact, it's pretty much the opposite).

As for such who do not fight you on account of faith, or drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to deal with them with equity, for God loves those who act equitably. God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of faith and drive you forth from your homelands or aid in driving you forth. As for those from among you who turn towards them for alliance, it is they who are wrongdoers. 60:8-9

Permission (to fight) is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged, and verily, God has indeed the power to aid them. Those who have been driven from their homelands in defiance of right for no other reason than their saying, ‘Our Lord is God.’ 22:39-40

2.193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

2.194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves.

9.13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

9.20. Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in God's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of God. they are the people who will achieve (salvation).

4.75. And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated ?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

29.46. And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better, unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong : but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is one; and it is to Him we bow."

3.113-115. Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous, Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knoweth well those that do right.

And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but God will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. 2.111-113

Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . 2:62

I keep telling you guys. Islam is peace, justice, equality and good.

Originally Posted by Absolute

For crying out loud, will someone ban Bigmo and lock this topic? This religious imbecile continues to go into circles and only spawns headaches for the people who are 'attempting to learn'. Apparently the person(s) behind Bigmo can not answer the primary points that would deem the religion worthy of belief or not. It is futile to attempt any means of understanding.

Are you all ready to end this? I'd like to, but I don't want to finish this off without some agreement from those who have invested all this time and effort in the thread.

Originally Posted by pj

Are you all ready to end this? I'd like to, but I don't want to finish this off without some agreement from those who have invested all this time and effort in the thread.

Thanks for that consideration. The Bigmo evasiveness showed itself again and didn't deny the accusation or directly address anything else that has been said, so I think we are dealing with the equivalent of Ferris Bueller's front door recording. I've said all I want to say here, except, "Thanks," to Absolute for the compliment. My work is done here.

Thanks indeed, PJ, for the consideration. I agree fully with UM and Absolute.

We have repeatedly seen Bigmo avoid any kind of constructive discussion. All he has done is throw slogans about in a manner which is closer to spamming than anything intelligent. This is going nowhere.

My only regret is that once the thread is shut he will be handed the opportunity to claim that he has been silenced by what he might call “censorship”. I would also be sorry to see him have the final word! (Maybe that could be your honor, PJ!).

Cheers guys.

Right then.

Final word?

Shalom.