Assuming there is a god....Does that automatically equal an afterlife?

[dragonoverlord]

Assuming there is a god who created the universe (not the god of any particular relegion) then does that automatically equal an after life for us humans? How exactly does it equal an after life exactly?

[Omega Weapon]

Simple answer here: No. It doesn't.

[Serkat]

No. It doesn't even mean that he exists, only that he did at one point.

[Dreamworld]

Whats your definition of afterlife? Its scientific law energy is not destroyed.

[Serkat]

Whats your definition of afterlife? Its scientific law energy is not destroyed. I think he was referring to bitches and booze.

[wasup]

Whats your definition of afterlife? Its scientific law energy is not destroyed. I hope this is not a legitimate attempt at supporting the afterlife. Please tell me it's not.

[Grod]

Why would it?

[nina]

I hope this is not a legitimate attempt at supporting the afterlife. Please tell me it's not. I think...it is.

[Dreamworld]

I think...it is. Yea it is. Backed up with physics. Energy is spread in instant speed. The reason is because all energy is connected. ( Energy is theorized to have all come from one point, therefore all electron are entangled, hence gravity ) I believe when you die all your brain waves, matter, and energy from your body dissipates into the universal spectrum becoming infinite in itself, in everything that happens, inside the ones you love, and on the other side of the universe. Not in a conscious mind but a perfect form.

[wasup]

I think...it is. Oh Yea it is. Backed up with physics. Energy is spread in instant speed. The reason is because all energy is connected. ( Energy is theorized to have all come from one point, therefore all electron are entangled, hence gravity ) I believe when you die all your brain waves, matter, and energy from your body dissipates into the universal spectrum becoming infinite in itself, in everything that happens, inside the ones you love, and on the other side of the universe. Not in a conscious mind but a perfect form. Begging the question: what innate "energy" needs to be dissipated when we die, and why can that which needs to do so not simply be transformed into another form of energy? I think you are missing a vital aspect of the law of thermodynamics: energy can be transformed into other energy. If you are going to pretend that your claims are backed by physics, actually LEARN the physics involve, please. In short: No, physics does not back up the afterlife, nor does your misconstruction of the laws of thermodynamics.

[nina]

I think that if physics DID in fact back up the afterlife...then no one would argue otherwise. Unless someone didn't believe in physics.

[Omega Weapon]

Yea it is. Backed up with physics. Energy is spread in instant speed. The reason is because all energy is connected. ( Energy is theorized to have all come from one point, therefore all electron are entangled, hence gravity ) I believe when you die all your brain waves, matter, and energy from your body dissipates into the universal spectrum becoming infinite in itself, in everything that happens, inside the ones you love, and on the other side of the universe. Not in a conscious mind but a perfect form. Just because your matter can't be destroyed why on earth does it mean you cannot be? Thats like saying if you have a n egg and break it up and throw it in the sea, the perfect essence of the egg remains. In fact, there is noe gg, merely the matter and energy that created it rearranged. You are the result of a certain arrangement of matter and energy etc. When these cease to be arranged as such, you cease to be. What you would define as your "Self" is not contained in the matter your physical being, it is contained in the sum of all of this at one moment in time. Not the stuff itself. So when the stuff passes on, you do not. An interesting point is that throughout our lives almost all the matter in our bodies is replaced by new matter through eating etc. If what you are saying is true then every time our skin dies and is rebuilt, the dead skin is off to the afterlife?

[Dreamworld]

Oh Begging the question: what innate "energy" needs to be dissipated when we die, and why can that which needs to do so not simply be transformed into another form of energy? I think you are missing a vital aspect of the law of thermodynamics: energy can be transformed into other energy. If you are going to pretend that your claims are backed by physics, actually LEARN the physics involve, please. In short: No, physics does not back up the afterlife, nor does your misconstruction of the laws of thermodynamics. When I said dissipate, I meant spread throughout..That does not disprove any of what I said, you just said energy transforms into different forms of energy. You basically said the same thing I did.

[wasup]

When I said dissipate, I meant spread throughout..That does not disprove any of what I said, you just said energy transforms into different forms of energy. You basically said the same thing I did. dis·si·pate 1.to scatter in various directions; disperse; dispel. Dissipate is the same as spread throughout. And yes, it disproves what you said. You believe that the energy has no where to go but to the afterlife. Wrong, it transforms to other forms of energy, such as heat. I did not say the same thing as you, you said energy goes to the afterlife... I said it didn't. Your argument is simply a result of a fundamental misinterpretation of the laws of thermodynamics and an attempt at loosely and inappropriately applying greatly misinterpreted scientific principles to inherently unscientific ideas.

[Dreamworld]

Just because your matter can't be destroyed why on earth does it mean you cannot be? Thats like saying if you have a n egg and break it up and throw it in the sea, the perfect essence of the egg remains. In fact, there is noe gg, merely the matter and energy that created it rearranged. You are the result of a certain arrangement of matter and energy etc. When these cease to be arranged as such, you cease to be. What you would define as your "Self" is not contained in the matter your physical being, it is contained in the sum of all of this at one moment in time. Not the stuff itself. So when the stuff passes on, you do not. An interesting point is that throughout our lives almost all the matter in our bodies is replaced by new matter through eating etc. If what you are saying is true then every time our skin dies and is rebuilt, the dead skin is off to the afterlife? An after life does not mean drink booze and bang hoes. Dead skin is made of protons neutrons, and electrons, So are we. When I mean "self" I do not think of it as my thought process, but a perfect form. The energy passed off from your dead body will be spread across the universe. It does not just disappear..

[Omega Weapon]

An after life does not mean drink booze and bang hoes. Dead skin is made of protons neutrons, and electrons, So are we. When I mean "self" I do not think of it as my thought process, but a perfect form. The energy passed off from your dead body will be spread across the universe. It does not just disappear.. Yes it doesn't disappear. But it isn't "you", so it can't be said to be an afterlife. All you are arguing here is that our matter isn't destroyed when we die. So what? And please define "perfect form". Because usually perfect is a highly odd concept, and needs definition in such an argument as this, it is often subjective.

[Dreamworld]

Dissipate is the same as spread throughout. And yes, it disproves what you said. You believe that the energy has no where to go but to the afterlife. Wrong, it transforms to other forms of energy, such as heat. I did not say the same thing as you, you said energy goes to the afterlife... I said it didn't. Your argument is simply a creation from a fundamental misinterpretation of the laws of thermodynamics and an attempt at loosely and inappropriately applying greatly misinterpreted scientific principles to inherently unscientific ideas. My definition of afterlife is what happens after life... And we are transformed to different forms of energy. Perhaps take a English class?

[Dreamworld]

Yes it doesn't disappear. But it isn't "you", so it can't be said to be an afterlife. All you are arguing here is that our matter isn't destroyed when we die. So what? And please define "perfect form". Because usually perfect is a highly odd concept, and needs definition in such an argument as this, it is often subjective. Perfect form is simple. Our energy is instantly spread across the universe. I don't even now why we are arguing.

[Omega Weapon]

Perfect form is simple. Our energy is instantly spread across the universe. I don't even now why we are arguing. This is all perfectly fine except the point where you say "our" energy. Just to clarify, it is just energy. And when we die probably becomes a combination of kinetic and heat and chemical energy in the rot and beings that consume us. So I agree here. But I still wonder how this equates to an "Afterlife" per say.

[wasup]

My definition of afterlife is what happens after life... And we are transformed to different forms of energy. Perhaps take a English class? Excuse me? You, the person who is making up definitions (which in fact are circular definitions: "afterlife is what happens after life") for words, telling me to take an english class? af·ter·life 1.Also called future life. life after death. Afterlife specifically means LIVING after DEATH. It does not mean "what happens after life." If that were the definition, I would agree with you. Me dying, then decaying and loosing heat certainly does represent an "afterlife" if "afterlife" represented whatever happens "after life." To clarify here, you don't think afterlife represents circumstances of a person actually having conscious thought, preserving their identity (mostly mental, but perhaps physical), and being transformed in another realm? If you simply believe that afterlife is our bodily energy being transformed into heat and our skin and muscles being consumed by animals and decaying, then 1) you are wrong, because that is not the definition of afterlife and 2) I would agree with that if that were the actual definition of afterlife. Why don't YOU take an english class? As a matter of fact, why don't you take a science class? And a physics class? PS: Our energy is not "instantly" spread across the energy. May I ask you to define, SPECIFICALLY, what energy you are referring to? At any rate, Einstein has proved to us that nothing can travel instantly.

[Dreamworld]

Excuse me? You, the person who is making up definitions (which in fact are circular definitions: "afterlife is what happens after life") for words, telling me to take an english class? Afterlife specifically means LIVING after DEATH. It does not mean "what happens after life." If that were the definition, I would agree with you. Me dying, then decaying and loosing heat certainly does represent an "afterlife" if "afterlife" represented whatever happens "after life." To clarify here, you don't think afterlife represents circumstances of a person actually having conscious thought, preserving their identity (mostly mental, but perhaps physical), and being transformed in another realm? If you simply believe that afterlife is our bodily energy being transformed into heat and our skin and muscles being consumed by animals and decaying, then 1) you are wrong, because that is not the definition of afterlife and 2) I would agree with that if that were the actual definition of afterlife. Why don't YOU take an english class? As a matter of fact, why don't you take a science class? And a physics class? No I do not believe I retain my conscious thought. What is the definition of afterlife? I'm pretty sure it means what happens after life. When I say instantly go throughout the universe I mean we instantly change the whole universe. Every act of energy changes the universe.

[Spartiate]

Assuming there's an afterlife, does that mean there is a god?

[dragonoverlord]

Why would it? Exactly my point. If theists claim to beleive in god (and i assume they beleive in an after life) then I would like to know why their beleif in God(S) would entail an after life of some sort at all.

[wasup]

No I do not believe I retain my conscious thought. What is the definition of afterlife? I'm pretty sure it means what happens after life. Oh, christ! Did you even read my post. I posted the definition of afterlife. I know this is a crazy notion... but "afterlife" refers more to "life after death" than what happens "after life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterlife So essentially, you do NOT believe in the afterlife.

[Omega Weapon]

No I do not believe I retain my conscious thought. What is the definition of afterlife? I'm pretty sure it means what happens after life. No it does not. Because in that case once I die and a dog outside my house relieves himself, that is the afterlife because its occuring after my life. Hm. Or you could have meant what happens to us, consciously after life, is the afterlife. Well the answer is we cease to be as far as linear time goes, however I don't think this at all restrains the power of consciousness once we look at time from another perspective, but I digress. As far as the concepts of before and after go, there is noconsciousness after our physical life.