Why do you think he has to be so complex?... |
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Creationists, and those who believe that since everything is so complex, God must have created it, I think its called "intelligent design" right? |
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I don't think he's beyond comprehension because he's so complex, but because he's outside the whole physical Universe and outside of time. We can't really imagine things outside of space and time. |
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So somethig not complex...was able to create rules and laws that are complex? The fact that he is said to be capable of doing an inumerable amount of things (like for example keep track of all human kinds every activity such that he is able to see their sins) which require a massive amount of complex thought does not mean that he is complex? |
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It would take a lot of complex thought for us to do that, but God is different and he "thinks" differently than us. I don't even know how you could "think" outside of time. |
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I'm afraid that just because he "thinks differently" doesn't mean he wouldn't have to be pretty complex to create the rules and laws that govern the universe. I'm sorry but your response is not a very good case. you are essentially saying, God is not complex, because he thinks different then people. |
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Last edited by Sandform; 08-13-2007 at 02:11 AM.
That is exactly the issue that influenced me stop believing in God. |
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Last edited by Universal Mind; 08-13-2007 at 02:13 AM.
How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
I would like to raise the question why the universe is so infinitely big. Most Christians believe there are no other lifeforms out there. |
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Still can't WILD........
I dont believe in god, |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
My bad. |
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Infinite complexity can come from, by comparison, infinite simplicity. |
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I don't think any creationist believes God is infinitely simple. Jeremysr is the first one I have ever come across who claims that God is simple at all. The major point is that any level of complexity, or even any level of existence, is said by the intelligent design philosophy to have to have a creator. Ray Comfort uses a coke can as an example. Intelligent design basically says, "You can't get something from nothing." So that leads to the big question... Who created God? |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
Yeah, I completely I agree. I was just refuting the assertion that something complex can only come from something as or more complex, 'cos it aint so. |
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The very fact that the universe is so complex points to an intelligent Designer. But to say that it's logical that the Designer must have a designer, is a fallacy. God is the starting point, not just the next level up. |
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LD Counter (as of 07.25.07) = 5 (2 WILDs)
Short-term goal: Recall three full dreams a night for a full week.
Long-term goal: Have three LDs per week for one month.
Longer-term goal: Have one six-hour LD every night! (Shooting too high? We'll see.)
Waking life goal: Round up some NPSG equipment to study my own sleep patterns.
Well the only response to that that I can make is the one that i've already heard. If God can be infinite why can't the universe be? Why does the universe need a "beggining" if God doesn't? |
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Last edited by Sandform; 08-14-2007 at 03:31 AM.
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You apparently didn't read what I said about that. See below for a summary. |
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How do you know you are not dreaming right now?
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Last edited by Xei; 08-14-2007 at 11:57 AM.
Creationists don't Want to accept that 'the laws of the universe' need as much a start or a creator as a god. Actually, a lot of people, including Einstein, used 'god' as a metaphor for 'laws of the universe'. |
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“What a peculiar privilege has this little agitation of the brain which we call 'thought'” -Hume
Yeah, true. Einstein saw that the universe is beautiful enough as it is without a conscious creator, which he saw as being completely pointless. It answers no questions at all, but rather begs the initial one. |
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