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      Quote Originally Posted by Black_Eagle View Post
      Wait a second.... didn't I say that?
      Because it would be subjective.
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      Ok then lets change fungi to Chimps. As to why other things don't have souls there is no answer to that question that i or any other human could give other than that is the way god made it(which btw sucks as an answer)

      2. what i see as meaningful doesnt have to be what others see as meaningful. If its universal you can still choose not to acknowledge that it exists, but by doing so wouldnt change its universality. Building off my other example, you can choose not to believe that 1+1=2 but that doesnt change that it does now and it always will
      1. Yes, there is no reason to believe that at all. No proof. No evidence. No relevancy.

      2. Universal is objective.

      It means no matter where it is or what the circumstances are.

      Nothing is universal at all with life.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
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      1. Yes, there is no reason to believe that at all. No proof. No evidence. No relevancy.

      2. Universal is objective.

      It means no matter where it is or what the circumstances are.

      Nothing is universal at all with life.



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      1. How can it not be relevant when it is a prime issue in dealing with religion

      2. Math isnt objective?
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      1. No relevancy to life. No reason to believe in it. No proof, no nothing. Someone just said that it was true.

      2. Er, of course math is objective.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      1. No relevancy to life. No reason to believe in it. No proof, no nothing. Someone just said that it was true.

      2. Er, of course math is objective.
      1. Religion, or lack there of, is a large part of life.

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      Nothing is universal at all with life.
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      1. No.

      That's not what I mean.

      What would be any different in your life if the soul did in fact exist?

      Well, nothing. Because according to you, it is non-physical.

      2. Yes. Nothing with life. Not in life.

      The first speaking aobut biology and its lack of universal properties.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      1. No.

      That's not what I mean.

      What would be any different in your life if the soul did in fact exist?

      Well, nothing. Because according to you, it is non-physical.

      2. Yes. Nothing with life. Not in life.

      The first speaking aobut biology and its lack of universal properties.
      1. Nothing in my life is different because of my soul because i have one so it would be impossible to determine. Electric currents are non-physical, yet they can affect the physical

      2. And ok then about biology Decay is universal. every thing that lives decays
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      Actually Seismosaur I did say it first. Look at my first post in this thread. So hah! But I get your point.



      I don't think you quite understand. If you call what would be two objects as three objects and what would be three objects as two objects, 1+1=3 and 1+3=2. No cannot make any meaning physical outside a structure of words and letters no matter if you believe it is universal or not.
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      so words aside, if u had [insert word] objects and u combined them with [insert different word] you would still have the same amount no matter what the words were
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      Quote Originally Posted by Trapped View Post
      so words aside, if u had [insert word] objects and u combined them with [insert different word] you would still have the same amount no matter what the words were
      I wasn't aware that 6 + 4 = 9 + 3

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      Quote Originally Posted by Trapped View Post
      so words aside, if u had [insert word] objects and u combined them with [insert different word] you would still have the same amount no matter what the words were
      It all depends on what words you give to certain quantities of objects. If I perceive your 3 as my 2 and your 2 as my 3 then my 1+3 would equal your 1+2.
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      so reality is based on perception?
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      No.

      Reality is perception.

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      so if i didnt perceive that the earth was round it wouldn't be?
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      Correct.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Correct.
      So if nobody perceived that reality is perception, reality would be objective?
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      No.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      No.
      Then it is an objective fact that reality is perception?
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      No.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      No.
      Then what is the nature of reality if nobody ever perceives that reality is all about perception?
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Then the nature of reality is reality.

      It always has been.

      It always will be.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Then the nature of reality is reality.

      It always has been.

      It always will be.
      Then reality is not mere perception.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Then reality is not mere perception.
      Only if you are omnicient.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      That is the point. Why would a human beings life be pointless without God if God's life isn't pointless with another God.
      Sandform, that is an awesome statement, extremely perceptive and thought-provoking. Goodbye PZ Myers sig. (Hope you don't mind if I correct the grammar in the sig though )
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      If rational arguments worked on people who were religious, there'd be no religion.

      Trying to reason with dogma is not renowned for its results.

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