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      Atheists aren't human.

      Hmm, somewhat of a topic pull-in, but then, what the hell do I care?

      Christians may be wrong, wrong, wrong, and in many cases stupid to the third degree. They believe in something that does not, cannot, and never will exist due to lack of proof. Or, at least, when presented with proof, said proof can be easily shot down. God doesn't exist. How many times can I say it? If it wasn't a religion most of them would be called crazy. Honestly! A man who raped a young girl to make a son which he would kill later on and rise from the dead to Heaven until the time came when he would slaughter those who don't acknowledge His divine existence? Foolish.

      And yet, I identify more with your common, run of the mill, Christian man.

      We have different beliefs. I'm not really an atheist, but I don't believe in a god. I'm not a witch, or one of those dumbass agnostics. I'm just a guy, and most of the time I try to avoid religion. I enjoy church, but then again I'd probably enjoy a mosque or a synagogue, too. I just like people.

      If I met you atheists I'd probably make fun of you and call you a nerd, or a geek, or what have you. Maybe if you just wanted to hang out we could be buddies and share a beer. But as far as your views... Eh, you're not human.

      It sounds deliciously hypocritical coming from me. I don't give a damn.

      It's basic human instinct to believe in some manifestation of nature or what have you. Some thought there was a bunch, others thought there was one. Guess who won. By disregarding this, it seems as if you're throwing away a bit of yourself. Or hell, maybe you're really only discovering a newer, better part.

      Discuss- which is more human, believing, or not? No smartass comments like, "I believe in a lot of things! LOLLLLL!" Turn it in by Thursday, your grade will be up on Friday. Class dismissed!


      "This is how rain works. Evaporation gathers water particles in the clouds, Eventually there is too much water, and feminists make God cry."

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      Quote Originally Posted by Good as Gold View Post
      I'm not really an atheist, but I don't believe in a god.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      I said no smartass comments. But I'd rather be a smartass then a dumbass, so...


      Agnostics aren't atheist. I'm not atheist, and I'm not an agnostic. I just don't believe in a god.


      "This is how rain works. Evaporation gathers water particles in the clouds, Eventually there is too much water, and feminists make God cry."

      :bravo:

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      Quote Originally Posted by Good as Gold View Post
      I said no smartass comments. But I'd rather be a smartass then a dumbass, so...


      Agnostics aren't atheist. I'm not atheist, and I'm not an agnostic. I just don't believe in a god.
      Then you are an atheist.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      First of all, Agnosticism is not exclusive to Atheism. Agnosticism deals with what you know, and Atheism deals with what you believe. Not exclusive to each other, mind you. I would classify myself as an agnostic atheist (I no good reason to believe in a deity because there is no evidence for or against the existence of deities). So in a sense, an Agnostic is an atheist in the sense that though he may not be sure, he does not believe in a religion and simply sits on the fence. To him, it may be a valid possibility, but he sees no reason to believe outright. Atheism itself is simply a lack of belief in deities, a position on a single question of "Does a God(s) exist?". Say anything other than yes, then you are an atheist by definition.

      As for belief, I believe in many things, because belief is good as long as you have a good reason/justification for it. My beliefs though just do not include the notions of a deity of some kind. Faith is what we don't have. Putting faith into a belief means you have no good reason to justify that belief other than to put an emotional attachment to it. I believe I can't walk through walls because the laws of physics dictate that the electromagnetic interactions at the molecular level between me and the wall would prevent me from doing so, and that the wall is significantly denser and stronger than me. I don't believe in a god of some kind because to me there is no good reason for me to do so.

      Also, a majority of opinion does not dictate validity. That is a fallacious premise because a majority can hold any sort of opinion and it may not be a valid one.

      For me not being human apparently, my DNA is the same as yours, with only a small difference to dictate that I'm a separate individual than you. This difference can also be observed between you and some Average Joe. How am I not human?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Then you are an atheist.
      Okay, I just debated this in my head for a while. An agnostic has not formed a conclusion on God's existence and generally would not say he does not believe in God. Those are the words of somebody who has formed a conclusion. An agnostic would say he is undecided. He arguably has some belief mixed with significant doubt, but I guess technically an agnostic does not literally "believe in God" all the way, so I guess you can be an agnostic and not believe in God. It is just that an agnostic also does not believe God does not exist. The words, "I do not believe X is the case," usually mean, "I believe X is not the case." But when you dissect your statement in terms of its literal meaning, it could also apply to an agnostic. It gets really confusing. However, if you "do not believe" in God/god(s), you are at least either an atheist or an agnostic.

      My swirlie eyes emoticon was meant to be a joke for you to laugh at too. It was not meant as disrespect.
      How do you know you are not dreaming right now?

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      OMGZ DONT PUT ME INTO YOUR SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED CATEGORIES. NOOES IM NOT MALE OR FEMALE, IM JUST MYSELF. WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR STUPID CATEGORIES DONT FIT ON EVERY INDIVIDUAL. BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWww

      (This is not a smartass comment)
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      Does it matter what others believe? Let everyone believe what they want and we can all get on with our lives Social groupings based on beliefs make me tired It's upsetting that people argue and fight amongst themselves trying to postulate that their belief is the correct one of course in the extreme people kill each other because they perceive that other beliefs are different to theirs - how messed up is that? People can be so primitive!
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      LOL

      Another confused five year old...



      We are humans

      Some of us are atheists

      Therefore atheists are human.

      ...

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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      We are humans

      Some of us are atheists

      Therefore atheists are human.

      ...
      Couldn't have said it better myself!

      I don't think it's right to declare that people "aren't human" just because they don't agree with your beliefs.
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      As for as I'm concerned this is just wrong. Humanity has nothing to do with religion, there is a complete lack of correlation. The best and the worst of humanity has come from atheists and theists.

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      However, it is very beneficial to learn about human tendency and why God is doubted; why religions may be dogmatic and contradictory. It is part of human nature, yet the Spiritual Truths of most religions has no relationship with human error, time or place. The core of all religions has not changed, and is Unconditional. Only its expression changes with evolution. It is difficult at first to tell the difference, and many have not bothered discerning it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Good as Gold View Post
      I'm not really an atheist, but I don't believe in a god. I'm not a witch, or one of those dumbass agnostics.

      if you don't believe in a higher being then you're atheist, that's what an atheist is they believe in no higher being, either that or you practice jainism or theravada buddhism, because both of those religions don't require worshiping a personal god

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      Epic lulz at "human instinct" being something intrinsically good.

      It's mating season, and my human instinct is telling me to go rape somebody.

      Screw all the intellectual bastards who dare to want to rise above and beyond what our race has yet to achieve. To hell with progress.

      ANCIENT TIMES FTW!

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      Looks like some Atheist on Atheist drama was going to unfold. What happened to Good as Gold?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne-yo View Post
      Looks like some Atheist on Atheist drama was going to unfold. What happened to Good as Gold?
      What about him?


      "This is how rain works. Evaporation gathers water particles in the clouds, Eventually there is too much water, and feminists make God cry."

      :bravo:

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      Neither believing not non-believing is more human. Humans are free to think either. Thats why being a Human is awesome.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Good as Gold View Post
      I'm not really an atheist, but I don't believe in a god.
      Haha, oh wow.

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      Sometimes avoiding embarassment is as simple as looking up a word in a dictionary before you vent.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Good as Gold View Post
      I said no smartass comments. But I'd rather be a smartass then a dumbass, so...


      Agnostics aren't atheist. I'm not atheist, and I'm not an agnostic. I just don't believe in a god.
      Agnosticism has nothing to do with Atheism, or even a god, for that matter. It's about knowledge. Agnosticism says we cannot be sure of any knowledge we have. That no 'absolute' truth can exist.

      An atheist doesn't believe in God. Period. That's all there's to it.

      Therefore: if you do not believe in a god, you are an Atheist.

      YOU ARE AN ATHEIST.

      However, to make yourself more presentable, you might just wanna add the word 'agnostic' in front of it. This will then change its meaning to "I don't think God exists/find it highly unlikely god exists, and I don't think we'll ever be able to prove he does."

      So you might say you're an 'agnostic atheist', but the fact still stands: no matter how many times you'll say it, if you don't believe in a god, you are an atheist.

      Period.


      So yeah... Look up before you leap, next time.

      And remember, kids: Wikipedia is your friend.
      Last edited by TimB; 07-18-2008 at 02:44 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by skysaw View Post
      Sometimes avoiding embarassment is as simple as looking up a word in a dictionary before you vent.
      LOL. Hence ignorance.

      If one truly researched God, venting wouldn't even exist.

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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      LOL. Hence ignorance.

      If one truly researched God, venting wouldn't even exist.
      How do you research an entity that does not interact with reality?

      Ahh, a paradox indeed...
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      look at me, look at me!!!

      i believe in a higher being but i'm an atheist!

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      Quote Originally Posted by bluefinger View Post
      How do you research an entity that does not interact with reality?
      When I say research, I mean Spiritual Practice; study spiritual scriptures of useful integrity, look into with mature understanding. With experience, one will learn what is dogmatic and what is essential, but there are shortcuts.

      In "logical" research, there is a limitation in paradigm as described briefly in "Logical". I could say that God Is Reality (and beyond), but that would probably mean nothing to a scientist, who endlessly measures it.
      Last edited by really; 07-19-2008 at 12:35 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      When I say research, I mean Spiritual Practice; study spiritual scriptures of useful integrity, look into with mature understanding. With experience, one will learn what is dogmatic and what is essential, but there are shortcuts.
      But it still does not concern this reality, and only upon an experience that cannot be quantified in any meaningful way. People pursuing such a path often come to completely different conclusions upon what might be the same experience.

      Hence, not reliable.

      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      In "logical" research, there is a limitation in paradigm as described briefly in "Logical". I could say that God Is Reality (and beyond), but that would probably mean nothing to a scientist, who endlessly measures it.
      Yes, it would be meaningless, because you would be adding unnecessary complexity upon an already complex reality. For example:

      ??? -> God -> Reality

      Can simply be shortened for more practical purposes to:

      ??? -> Reality

      Thus a Scientist concerns only with that that can be defined and measured in Reality. Questions of Spiritual nature have no bearing to what Reality dictates.
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