Role of angels

[NeoSioType]

Let's just say or pretend (for the atheist) that the abrahamic God does exist. What role do they play? I realize that some are meant for messaging, and others for guarding Eden, but does God really need them? He is all powerful right? He must have a reason for making them without including man into the mix. And what do they do all the time? Can we imagine them any real emotion? Do they any concept of fun? For all we know they could be greys who have their own little world, with their own mind set involving God. This is a chapter in religion that has no place for man, because it has nothing to do with religion. What are your thought? Remember this isn't meant to turn into a debate involving whether or not God exist.

[Sornaensis]

Secks toys.

[Super Duck]

Some of them are part of God's army. He had a massive war against Satan before he got kicked out and there is still to be another war. I'll post more later. I'm a little stripped for time and effort now.

[Sornaensis]

Yeah that makes so little sense. A war? With an omnipotent, omniscient, omniprenesnt being? Unfair, much? Not only can he read your thoughts, he is right there when you think the thoughts, and by being Omnipotent and Omniscient he can change the outcome to whatever he wants. God's a cheater!

[NeoSioType]

Yeah that makes so little sense. A war? With an omnipotent, omniscient, omniprenesnt being? Unfair, much? Not only can he read your thoughts, he is right there when you think the thoughts, and by being Omnipotent and Omniscient he can change the outcome to whatever he wants. God's a cheater! Satan probably fought/fights in what he believed in, knowing he'd fail in the end. While I'm no devil worshiper, that's about as being true to yourself as it gets.

[Super Duck]

Satan probably fought/fights in what he believed in, knowing he'd fail in the end. While I'm no devil worshiper, that's about as being true to yourself as it gets. Well he kinda wanted to overthrow God so ...

[NeoSioType]

Well he kinda wanted to overthrow God so ... Or should I say true to his beliefs.

[Super Duck]

Or should I say true to his beliefs. Well I suppose that's a fair point. He even went as far as fighting the undefeatable for his own beliefs. Still, his reasons for the fight were greedy. But I agree, his persistance was noble and brave.

[Sornaensis]

He was being greedy? As far as anyone who has read the bible is concerned-- He just wanted equality.

[Serkat]

Yup. Satan read the bible and was all like "wtf is dis shit" and tried to kick God in the nuts. He's my idol and kicks major ass. Also, angels are for delivering messages when God is busy fucking hot sluts in heaven.

[Super Duck]

He was being greedy? As far as anyone who has read the bible is concerned-- He just wanted equality. No, He wanted God's place as ruler of everything. He didn't want equality. He wanted the highest position for himself.

[Sornaensis]

Quote the bible for this.

[StephenT]

Obviously, he made them so Christian Theology would sound even more like a fairy tale. The purpose? To tempt our faith.

[juroara]

here is my offer on the fantasy/myth/belief with all the writings on angels today. this is not based on religion. this is based on modern stories of angels ranging from a million and one resources. (I was obsessed with angels when I was a teen) 1. angels were created before the earth even existed. some even say, before the physical universe existed. angels originate from the 'spiritual realm'. reality here has many layers. there are two main layers : material and spiritual. however, even the material and spiritual consists of multi layers. the astral realm, the realm that dreams take place is NOT a spiritual realm. it is a material realm. 2. very few people have ever 'experienced' the spiritual realm. what this means is, the spiritual realm as we know it, is beyond human comprehension. though those who have gone say, it is ABSOLUTE BLISS. 3. angels have free will. angels have free will. angels have free will. angels have free will. I am repeating this because it is a dogmatic belief that they don't. it is illogical for any intelligent being to no have free will. really think about it. how can you think if you don't have the ability to freely think?? 4. what role do they play? let me ask you this. WHAT ROLE DO YOU PLAY? in the spiritual world - you, me, angels - we exist to exist. we exist to BE. we ARE. we are self expression of God, existence, the universe. 5. so what role do angels play in the big question, the same as any other living thing. TO LIVE. 6. angels are not 'dead'. they are not just floating doing nothing. many of them have 'jobs'. you can call these 'roles'. but an angel doesn't have to keep its 'role' for all eternity. they too can 'evolve' and 'grow' and 'learn' and take on a new and higher up role. every job/position/role that an angels play has something to do with LOVE. 7. people think if you don't have a physical body, how can you know emotions? how can you feel? how can you know love? these people have probably never had a vivid or lucid dream in their life. I think, as lucid dreamers we can testify just the opposite. Angels are EMOTIONAL beings. They are said to have a fiery passion. And while an angel may have never experienced sex, people who claim an angel has 'made love' to them say, it is such an emotional orgasmic experience they felt they just EXPLODE into bits of happiness. Some even say, angels have to actually 'hold back' their emotions when they are around humans. In the same you must be gentle with a babe, you can HUG IT to death. 8. humans are emotional too. it is said that the difference between an angel and a humans emotions is how focused it is. for example, as humans we know we can have a MIX of emotions in our heads. it is said angels have more FOCUSED singular emotions at a time. Our MIX of emotions can be very confusing for most angels 9. the word angel today means to things: a being who was created to originally live in spirit, essentially the first biggest race of created beings. AND a being who plays an angelic role. what this means is: once an angel stops playing an angelic role, he or she is no longer an angel. he or she has fallen. we no longer call this being angel. we call this being fallen angel what this means also is, its OKAY to refer to a human as an angel if they are playing an angelic role. chances are, you won't know the difference!! 10. angels are extremely diverse. only a tiny fraction of their roles are described. since there are many angels as there are stars in the sky, the only roles we humans really know about, are the roles that have any meaning to humanity. in GENERAL. their relationship with humanity is SERVITUDE. 11. servitude is misunderstood. this does not mean angels are below you. on the contrary, you should listen to them as mentor. they serve you, in the same way a teacher would serve you. to help you. to guide you. but every teacher would be wise to keep in mind, that he can also 'learn' from his very students. and that one day his very student can surpass him and the roles can be switched. in such, as spiritual beings serve humanity, they learn.the relationship between student and teacher becomes a circle. 12. angels were created with an ego, just like humans. an ego makes you think you are separate from God. it makes you think "God is over there and I am over here" rather than realizing God is in you and you are in God. just like humans, angels were on a path of self transcendence of overcoming this ego. because of this ego, like humans, angels can make mistakes. 13. in the dogma view of the world, the world with the angry hateful god, there is no salvation for angels if they error. come on people. if you really do believe in God and in the spiritual reality, that is just horse crap. how can you believe in a 'loving God' who has no forgiveness for angels? this old belief has no place in the spiritual matrix today, any more than the old belief of God that is separate from creation has a place. 14. we have all heard the fallen story many times now. today, spirituality has taken away some of that thunder. it has put less emphasis on OMG BE AFRAID OF SATAN and more emphasis on where those fallen angels are now. Where are they now? Those angels made a karmic wound against humanity. And the only way to heal this karmic wound, WAS TO BE BORN AS HUMANS. Most of the fallen angels today, have been living as humans. Living as the very people they might have hated. This is how karma works. You hate someone, you are setting yourself up to live in their shoes. Do they remember they were once angels? Probably not. But they probably still dislike humanity as a whole. 15. most of the angels in the universe could never help a human. most angels are either masters of love or masters of creation itself, understanding everything there is to know about the mechanics of life, of the universe. they are the first scientists. but there are a lot of things they don't understand..uh..human boring trivial life. 16. because of this, many angels who want to help humanity live a short time as a human. it can be from a couple of days, to a couple of years. others choose the whole chi-bang. and are BORN as humans. and DIE as humans. 17. in the angel myth there are two groups of angels living as humans: those who fell, and those who wanted to understand humanity more. the difference is, the angels who were willing to be born may choose to retain their memory of the spiritual reality. also many of those born as humans choose to SUFFER. to suffer cancer, aids, and other diseases. 18. angel miracles: there are stories today of angel miracles. modern angel miracles. the stories are just the same as biblical ones. 99% of the time, the angel comes to you in a human disguise. they help you, one way or another. and may even interact with them, eat with them. touch their hands. but when its all said and done, POOF, they vanish into thin air. so it is believed that many angels can MANIFEST in physical form. and MANIFEST back into the spiritual. 19. where can you see angels today? most angel activity in the world, at any time happens in two places. hospitals and in areas of great suffering. angels are very very very busy helping doctors, especially in the ER. they go where they are needed. these are places of need. 20. this is our planet. not angels. our free will rules it, not theirs. if angels were allowed to, they could transform the world into a perfect state of peace in a day. every problem - gone. 21. so why don't they? you can't understand the 'role' of angels, if you don't first understand the role of humanity. we are here to LEARN. we are here to learn to LOVE. angels are masters of love. But they can not teach us if they solve the problem for us. will a student learn if his teacher does his homework and his tests? NOOO. we are at school, the teacher CAN NOT do it for us. the teacher shows love and respect for the student by allowing him to learn his lesson and remaining patient. this is the relationship between humans and 'angels'. angels will never solve the problems for us. they will never cloth or feed the poor for us, instead they help us - help ourselves in solving these problems. you can pray to angels all you want for some sort of miracle. but an angel will never manifest a miracle if it stops you from learning. the development of your soul, your self transcendence is more important to a guarding angel, than any of your human desires. ps. im not done!! onward ho to part 2

[Needcatscan]

And what role do the Elves and Dwarfs play? I crap, sorry, I thought we were talking about Lord of the Rings there for a second. The bible really doesn't say a whole lot about angels, so almost everything that people think about them is in their own heads; kind of like when someone writes a fantasy book. Anyone read those books that are about spiritual warfare between angels and demons? Don't remember the name.

[NeoSioType]

Part 2!!! Part one was enough. I understand a lot of this is speculation but it's nice someone replied like you did. I'd imagine if they existed long before man, they would have devloped avanced levels of technologies. I can't just get pass the idea everything they do is simply explained with spiritual powers. Turning people into pillars of salt, shape shifting, ect could be easily explained with technological might.

[♥Mark]

They carry bricks.

[juroara]

PART TWO, LOVE AND HAPPINESS again, this all based on MODERN stories of angels. not necessarily religious text. modern stories means people coming up and saying "I have an angel experience" there are thousands. I wanted to talk about love and angels. popular hollywood movies would lead us to believe an angel is emotionless and can not know intimate love because they do not marry first lets look at a dog. lets look at a female dog and a male dog. male dog sniffs the females butt and humps her. female dog enjoys it, pops out a few puppies later on. all the while, both dogs were under the loving care of a human owner. this human owners walks both dogs twice a day, plays with them, cuddles, them, snuggles them. brushes them. feeds them prime dog food. brushes their teeth. many regular vet visits. they get to sleep on the bed with the owner. I mean, lets just say this owner has NO LIFE, other than, his dogs. this owner even goes so far as to plan vacation trips with the dogs so they can go to the beach or far away parks. they are pampered spoiled rotten pooches. who loved the female dog more? the male dog? or the owner? who was more intimate with the dog? the male dog? or the owner? who will the female dog love more in the end? the male dog? or the owner? would it be silly for the male dog to tell the owner. "I loved the female dog more because I sniffed her butt. You could never know love, because you human do not sniff butts" I mean, would that not be silly? once upon a time when that dog knew no human, she might have that the most loving action another dog can do for her is sniff her butt and hump her. that this is love at its highest moment. suddenly a human enters the mix and the whole picture changes. and dare I even say, a dog can learn through human interaction a higher form of love than they ever could in the wild. just by being a pet, they do this. marriage is beautiful, but its not, everything love can be. marriage quickly transforms love into ownership. that I own this person. and today, we still have spouses who are jealous if their spouse enjoys the company of a FRIEND. because they feel they own this person so much, they are not even allowed to have friends without their permission. its silly to ask an angel to marry to understand love, maybe to understand humanity, and human relationships, but not love. as it would be equally silly for a dog to tell you "you don't understand love if you have never sniffed a butt!!". when we fall in love with someone, its generally selfish. thats not in itself a bad thing, thats generally where we are at in our soul evolution. its generally about what makes you happy, more than what benefits the other person. an angels love is the love of the mentor/the teacher/. when they fall in love with someone, they have fallen in love with their potential. they become obsessed even, with shaping and molding this human into everything they can be. they become intimate with the human, in that they will know their deepest thoughts and desires, in a way even becoming one with the humans desire to be something more. it is a love that takes you out of your mental box and shows you a greater reality. in angel myth, virtually all great minds - from composers to scientists had an 'intimate' relationship with an angel of some sort. a muse. the other misconception people have about angels is that they see them as serious mean all work and no fun sorta beings. I can understand, this comes from religion. you look at a religious person, who isolates themself from the world. saying "FORGIVE ME FOR MY SINS I DON'T DESERVE TO BE HAPPY". yeah, you're going to see a lot of frowns and angry serious faces who have denied themselves all pleasures in the world >:/ so people think, an angel must be like a religious person. boring. and serious. and no fun. angels know fun. actually, they know bliss. people have this misconception about spiritual seekers as well. they think spirituality is all serious and mean faced >:/ that some how seeking spirituality is a denial of the pleasures of the world. ohhh woe onto mee!!! hah! so little do they know! thats like saying lucid dreaming is boring. hollywood has it completely backwards, but maybe those hollywood writers have never had a lucid dream when I was a teenager I read a gizillion modern day angel stories. two of them stuck out. in one, the girl was a devout catholic. poor soul, had been told by the church was an absolute sinner and unless she begs for mercy every day of her life God would smite her. she prayed and prayed and prayed and one day an angel finally appeared to her. she fell to her knees, head down in shame and asked the angel what does God command of her!!! and the angel said "I HAVE AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM GOD. THIS YOU MUST DO!" what she cries!! and the angel says..........."DANCE!! DANCE LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER DANCED BEFORE!!" sha-sha-sha! yeah, she was flabbergasted. and was just kinda like this -> not too long after, she suffers from depression, all the while feeling like she was being punished by God just because she was born and shes a pathetic human doomed to sin every second of her life. something happened that turned her life around, she went out with a friend. the music took over her, and she was dancing! she was happy! and from then on she approached life as a celebration of life. in the next story, a messenger angel appears to a young man in the early morning. he was still in his bed. and he was so sleepy, he didn't quite register that standing by his bedside was a human like being abnormally tall *normal for modern day angel experiences, heights have ranged from 8 to 12 feet* he just sorta drifts back into sleep without realizing what he just saw. This is when the angel slaps him awake screaming "WAKE UP! I DON'T HAVE ALL DAY! GET OUT OF BED RIGHT NOW!!" the combination of this stranger in his room screaming at him, slapping him awake, has him jump out of his bed and fall onto the floor. The angel quickly blurts out the message. And just as quickly as he came, poof the angel was gone. He wasn't hurt, but he was a little back and flabbergasted. Aren't angels supposed to be fluffy and gentle?? Why was his a little rude and forceful?? the message had something to do with his life going down hill into the pits of despair - and sometimes thats what you need, some sense slapped into you! tough love! ps. I was researching angels a lot as a teenager because I wanted to make a comic book with an angel like character. so I read dozens of modern day experiences and kept reading because they were fun. the more I read them the more I saw how hollywood has no idea! and neither does religion for that matter

[Kael Seoras]

Yeah that makes so little sense. A war? With an omnipotent, omniscient, omniprenesnt being? Unfair, much? Not only can he read your thoughts, he is right there when you think the thoughts, and by being Omnipotent and Omniscient he can change the outcome to whatever he wants. God's a cheater! And if he's not omnipotent and omniscient? And am I really opposing the Bible when I say that?

[juroara]

Part 2!!! Part one was enough. I understand a lot of this is speculation but it's nice someone replied like you did. I'd imagine if they existed long before man, they would have devloped avanced levels of technologies. I can't just get pass the idea everything they do is simply explained with spiritual powers. then I could easily go into a lengthy five page part three of why that is not so but in short, technology is PHYSICAL, and requires the MATERIAL the spiritual reality is like pure emotion, energy, and consciousness. there is no need for technology there. they don't even have BODIES!! that doesn't mean we can't understand 'spiritual powers'. the spiritual is still 'natural'. and it is still explainable. its just believed, its currently not understandable until science advances itself. we are however getting closer to developing a practical science for understanding something that could be called a thought reality.

[NeoSioType]

I suppose you have a point. I'm opperating under the belief that they are physcal beings from another dimension, or our own. Yeah...

[Sornaensis]

And if he's not omnipotent and omniscient? And am I really opposing the Bible when I say that? Well teh Bibblez say he are all-knowing and all-powerful.

[Kael Seoras]

Well heck

[StephenT]

Well teh Bibblez say he are all-knowing and all-powerful. And if you look up "omniscient" in the dictionary is says, "All-knowing". I think it's the same for omnipotent also.

[LucidFlanders]

This is Satan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jm3Zb-HSvo He's almost human like.