Thread: Aliens created us!

Bluefinger, thanks, I understand the science. I really do. The thing is, our knowledge is not infinite. There are things we don't know. We may be wrong in some aspects of our knowledge. You must accept that, at least! Therefore, there may be some knowledge we lack that, if known, would increase the probability of alien contact.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Bluefinger, thanks, I understand the science. I really do. The thing is, our knowledge is not infinite. There are things we don't know. We may be wrong in some aspects of our knowledge. You must accept that, at least! Therefore, there may be some knowledge we lack that, if known, would increase the probability of alien contact.

Lack of evidence doesn't increase the probability of an already improbable proposition. Also, if we found aspects of our knowledge to be wrong, I think I'll let the scientific community correct what needs to be corrected rather than jump to the "Aliens did it" side of things. For something to be proven wrong, it has to be shown to be wrong through a solid hypothesis that meets the burden of proof with plenty of observational and experimental data, and also be consistent with all the other areas of science that the hypothesis relates to. Hell, if something makes it through peer-review, but fails to show conclusive results by third-parties and doesn't fit in with other related publications and research, it will eventually be disregarded anyway. The Scientific Method is a self-correcting system.

By the criteria I have set out, I can't accept the assumptions made here about Aliens doing whatever. Going for the gaps in knowledge is not a valid argument, as that can be used for justifying anything.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dGYx_U16Cjk

Watch that it gives a bigger insight into this theory

Originally Posted by Dreamhope11

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dGYx_U16Cjk

Watch that it gives a bigger insight into this theory

Oh... dear... you think that's credible? It doesn't take a genius to figure out most of that is speculative bullshit. The video description gives it all away...

I'll say this, Proof or GTFO. Meet the burden of proof.... seriously.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mCL2rhDjq...eature=related

More i have just found

Originally Posted by Dreamhope11

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mCL2rhDjq...eature=related

More i have just found

Dude... this is TV... it is entertainment... the fact it brought up the bible as a reference for UFO sightings in antiquity already says a lot...

What next? The end of the world will happen at 2012?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

What next? The end of the world will happen at 2012?

Don't forget, the Mayans made a prediction, therefore it must be true, no evidence required

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Don't forget, the Mayans made a prediction, therefore it must be true, no evidence required

The evidence is clearly in the prediction. Have faith.

Sometimes proof is met by looking at things with a different point of view.
In the bible and other holy books it wouldn't say "Aliens from a different planet came and visited us and they gave us technology"
Of course not they would have no idea what a alien is so they would assume they where gods because of the way they travelled and looked.
Why do gods come from the sky?
Why don't the gods come from inside of trees or flowers.
Just as another poster said "We used to think the world being round was ridiculous" But hey look now we have found out it is round, maybe in 200 years time this theorey might be accepted, but untill then people who beleive this theorey would just have to wait and either get proved wrong or possibly proved right.
But there is no need to continously argue about it, lets just accept it as a possbility.
We could say a distant planet is made of cheese, untill all the planets in the universe have been discovered there might well be a cheese planet..

Originally Posted by Dreamhope11

Sometimes proof is met by looking at things with a different point of view.
In the bible and other holy books it wouldn't say "Aliens from a different planet came and visited us and they gave us technology"
Of course not they would have no idea what a alien is so they would assume they where gods because of the way they travelled and looked.
Why do gods come from the sky?
Why don't the gods come from inside of trees or flowers.
Just as another poster said "We used to think the world being round was ridiculous" But hey look now we have found out it is round, maybe in 200 years time this theorey might be accepted, but untill then people who beleive this theorey would just have to wait and either get proved wrong or possibly proved right.
But there is no need to continously argue about it, lets just accept it as a possbility.
We could say a distant planet is made of cheese, untill all the planets in the universe have been discovered there might well be a cheese planet..

Originally Posted by bluefinger

By the criteria I have set out, I can't accept the assumptions made here about Aliens doing whatever. Going for the gaps in knowledge is not a valid argument, as that can be used for justifying anything.

No no no, I'm not using the gaps in knowledge argument to justify alien contact. I'm using it to justify a slightly increased probability of alien contact. And the probability doesn't increase until the gap in knowledge becomes apparant by us learning that knowledge.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

No no no, I'm not using the gaps in knowledge argument to justify alien contact. I'm using it to justify a slightly increased probability of alien contact. And the probability doesn't increase until the gap in knowledge becomes apparant by us learning that knowledge.

So you didn't read the first sentence of that post. *SIGH*

humans and their importance. Love one another and your enemies too. Hard stuff in my book. One thing I do know. Humans are no more important in this world then all the other things in it. Did aliens make the animals too?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

So you didn't read the first sentence of that post. *SIGH*

No, I read the first sentence, but my response still stands. I'm saying the probability will increase when/if we find new evidence.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

No, I read the first sentence, but my response still stands. I'm saying the probability will increase when/if we find new evidence.

Even probabilities are not defined by lack of evidence. Science has already shown a lot on our evolution so not to need probabilities such as Aliens, because then, who created the Aliens if we were created by Aliens? Another Alien race? How far does this go back then? A probability assumes that there is a chance for the whatever event to occur (and assumes the event to be a real possibility). A hypothesis only attempts to explain an occurrence and then to provide predictions to show that the occurrence is true, no matter the probability of it occurring in reality.

As for contact, I hold onto my criticisms concerning the perils of space-travel and the distances of space itself, until I am shown definitive and objective proof that shows me otherwise.

'The probability that we were created by aliens' is a completely meaningless phrase. We either were or we weren't, and there is no evidence that we were, so therefore we must accept that we weren't. Is that not right?

I personally think alien life is incredibly likely in this universe for the obvious reasons, but there is clear evidence that evolution was a progression from very simple life forms to complex ones on this planet which rules out any higher powers really.

There is as little point talking about this as there is talking about the possibility that there's an invisible flower pot floating above my head.