Thread: Creation myth a realistic scenario?

The bible explanation is proberly really good. Firstly god created everything, and yet his greatest creation i.e. life is only on about 0.1% of the planets in the universe. So basically the universe is lifeless.

Anyway, past explanation from the bible was that the world was in the middle with the sun revolving around earth.

So there is a garden with life in it, and two humans picked an apple. This caused all the disease and sin in the world. This really contradicts a apple a day rule, note apples taste nasty don't eat them.

So god designed us really good, firstly alot of children die of cancer and other disease, which really shows intelligent design.

Anyway, then there was a flood, which is really stupid solution for getting rid off evil, espically since it didn't work. Then god sent down his only son to get rid off sin, however he failed and got killed.

Now were here in modern times. And yet science has shown this story to be a myth, and yet ne yo and other people believe this.

So is this a realistic scenario?

Originally Posted by wendylove

The bible explanation is proberly really good. Firstly god created everything, and yet his greatest creation i.e. life is only on about 0.1% of the planets in the universe. So basically the universe is lifeless.

For most of our history, most humans held themselves categorically different from the animals (with the exception of some shamanic traditions). Eventually most of us adopted a concept of animal in which we ourselves belonged, and we began to recognize that we had more in common with even the plants than we had realized. We discovered whole kingdoms we never knew existed which we also gradually recognized as distant kin.

Yet we still draw the line somewhere around the virus. What the virus and everything more organized that's carbon based are doing is categorically different from the rest of the activity of the universe. How long do you expect that story to hold up?

i'm sorry

but this thread is pretty ignorant

I dont even know who you are arguing against. it's pretty lame. how about we talk about other spiritual and religious philosophies regarding creation? or is all you care about to yell and rant over things rarely no christian even believes in?

Originally Posted by juroara

i'm sorry

but this thread is pretty ignorant

or is all you care about to yell and rant over things rarely no christian even believes in?

I think what she's asking us Does this Creation Myth seem absurd to you or not? Nothing wrong or lame with that. and B this is her thread. If you wanna go and talk shit about the Christian myths of the Hopi Indians by all means do so,

Originally Posted by Juroara

Or is all you car about to yell and rant over things rarely no christian even beleives in?

So what you're telling me is barely any Christians beleive in the bible? Because all those things are mentioned in the bible. Are you calling the Bible a lyer? You're a christian right?, so you're calling god a lyer now?

Originally Posted by Juroara

How about we talk about other Spiritual and Religious Philosphies regarding creation

By all means start your own thread about other Spiritual and Relegious Philosophies regarding creation, No one's got a gun to your head. This is what she chose to make a thread about. Don't like it? GTFO

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

So what you're telling me is barely any Christians beleive in the bible? Because all those things are mentioned in the bible. Are you calling the Bible a lyer? You're a christian right?, so you're calling god a lyer now?

LAME LAME LAME

you must be living in a box if you honestly believe christians take the bible literally. the number of christians that do are in the MINORITY. and those fundies are actually isolated from mainstream christianity

mainstream christianity does not take the creation myth literally, but on a symbolic level. THUS, mainstream christians believe it or not, actually believes in evolution and that the earth is a lot older than 6000 years

these ranting threads are getting OLD. we don't need anymore. you're not going to get a new answers from fundies

and the rest of christianity, isn't asking anyone to take it literally to begin with. the point of this thread? is just to yell whine and bitch. is it too hard to just...get over it?

Well Ne-Yo and SNW and Switch all subscribe to the same nonsense, so... And they post here.

Originally Posted by juroara

LAME LAME LAME
you must be living in a box if you honestly believe christians take the bible literally. the number of christians that do are in the MINORITY. and those fundies are actually isolated from mainstream christianity

You my friend are a moron. Do research before you start spouting BS.

http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=118

Originally Posted by wendylove

The bible explanation is proberly really good. Firstly god created everything, and yet his greatest creation i.e. life is only on about 0.1% of the planets in the universe. So basically the universe is lifeless.

Anyway, past explanation from the bible was that the world was in the middle with the sun revolving around earth.

So there is a garden with life in it, and two humans picked an apple. This caused all the disease and sin in the world. This really contradicts a apple a day rule, note apples taste nasty don't eat them.

So god designed us really good, firstly alot of children die of cancer and other disease, which really shows intelligent design.

Anyway, then there was a flood, which is really stupid solution for getting rid off evil, espically since it didn't work. Then god sent down his only son to get rid off sin, however he failed and got killed.

Now were here in modern times. And yet science has shown this story to be a myth, and yet ne yo and other people believe this.

So is this a realistic scenario?

"So there is a garden with life in it, and two humans picked an apple. This caused all the disease and sin in the world. This really contradicts a apple a day rule, note apples taste nasty don't eat them."

the tree was the tree of knowledge of good and evil and was only in the garden of eden, are all apple trees knowledge of good and evil? nope. do we live in the garden of eden? nope.

"So god designed us really good, firstly alot of children die of cancer and other disease, which really shows intelligent design."

many people believe this came to be after adam and eve ate the fruit from the tree.

"Anyway, then there was a flood, which is really stupid solution for getting rid off evil, espically since it didn't work. Then god sent down his only son to get rid off sin, however he failed and got killed."

first of all, if you kill all of humanity there's not much evil anymore is there? jesus was sent to die the sins of people, if he was sent to die and did die how did he fail?


Now were here in modern times. And yet science has shown this story to be a myth, and yet ne yo and other people believe this.

how has science shown it to be myth?

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

how has science shown it to be myth?

Radiometric dating and genetics. We can actually trace how humanity developed and where thanks to our nifty little genes.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Radiometric dating and genetics. We can actually trace how humanity developed and where thanks to our nifty little genes.

well i believe in evolution.. that still doesn't really prove anything :\

it says god created everything, therefore he could of created the universe like the big bang proposes, a small area with energy, then let it explode, kaboom, etc. etc. etc., live starts to form/evolves, etc. etc. etc., in that sense god still created everything

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

well i believe in evolution.. that still doesn't really prove anything :\

it says god created everything, therefore he could of created the universe like the big bang proposes, a small area with energy, then let it explode, kaboom, etc. etc. etc., live starts to form/evolves, etc. etc. etc., in that sense god still created everything

Actually, it kinda does, because we evolved from a common primate ancestor in Africa, over a process of a few million years. Kinda contradicts the whole Garden of Eden idea.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

...therefore he could of created the universe like the big bang proposes, a small area with energy, then let it explode, kaboom, etc. etc. etc., live starts to form/evolves, etc. etc. etc., in that sense god still created everything

I don't recall that biblical passage. Plus it conflicts with the whole Adam's rib thing.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I don't recall that biblical passage. Plus it conflicts with the whole Adam's rib thing.

christians think god created everything
the bible is full of contradictions

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Actually, it kinda does, because we evolved from a common primate ancestor in Africa, over a process of a few million years. Kinda contradicts the whole Garden of Eden idea.

O'RLY? I thought you believed that we evolved from non-living matter. You want reach a little further back to explain your position sir.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I don't recall that biblical passage. Plus it conflicts with the whole Adam's rib thing.

and I don't recall this biblical passage:

Originally Posted by wendylove

Anyway, past explanation from the bible was that the world was in the middle with the sun revolving around earth

How do you explain that?

the point of this thread? is just to yell whine and bitch. is it too hard to just...get over it?

It was a joke. You know Ne yo saying abiogenesis is rubbish, so made a thread about creation myth, which ne you believes in.

Can't you get a joke.

Its in the title. You know look at the title of ne yo thread and mine.

Originally Posted by wendylove

The bible explanation is proberly really good. Firstly god created everything, and yet his greatest creation i.e. life is only on about 0.1% of the planets in the universe. So basically the universe is lifeless.

Anyway, past explanation from the bible was that the world was in the middle with the sun revolving around earth.

So there is a garden with life in it, and two humans picked an apple. This caused all the disease and sin in the world. This really contradicts a apple a day rule, note apples taste nasty don't eat them.

So god designed us really good, firstly alot of children die of cancer and other disease, which really shows intelligent design.

Anyway, then there was a flood, which is really stupid solution for getting rid off evil, espically since it didn't work. Then god sent down his only son to get rid off sin, however he failed and got killed.

Now were here in modern times. And yet science has shown this story to be a myth, and yet ne yo and other people believe this.

So is this a realistic scenario?

Do you know the feeling when you want to punch sarcastic people in the face, (preferrably with a knuckle duster as hard as you can, repeatedly)? I am getting that feeling now.

Originally Posted by wendylove

Anyway, past explanation from the bible was that the world was in the middle with the sun revolving around earth.

Does the bible really say that? Or is that an interpretation the catholic church came up with? Something about being in the middle of creation?

Originally Posted by wendylove

So there is a garden with life in it, and two humans picked an apple. This caused all the disease and sin in the world.

Does the bible really say the forbidden fruit was an apple? This confusion is brought on by early christians. The latin word for apple is also the same for evil:Malus

In the Hebrew the word serpent is Hebrew word nachash (naw-khawsh') a snake (from its hiss). The word nachash (naw-khash') is a primitive root of the first. The root means hiss as in whispering a magic spell, generally to prognosticate. This can range from practicing divination, to divine, to observe signs, to learn by experience, to diligently observe, to practice fortune telling, to take as an omen. This is how Satan is connecting with the bibical serpent.

The word tree in Hebrew is `ets (ates), a tree (from its firmness) `atsah (aw-tsaw') is a primitive root meaning to fasten (or make firm) Figuratively this can mean the spine giving firmness to the body (The body is the trunk, and the arms and legs are the limbs). As proof of this, the word for trees is used symbolically in the scriptures to mean people both good and bad in Isaiah.

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. (KJV)

In Genesis the phrase fruit of the tree is the Hebrew word periy- fruit in a wide sense. a) fruit, produce (of the ground), or b) fruit, offspring, children, progeny ( used of the womb), or figuratively c) fruit (of actions).

The phrase "eat of it" in Hebrew is 'akal (aw-kal') This word has many uses, among which could mean to lay with a woman (a sexual act). Touch in Hebrew is naga` (naw-gah'), to touch, ie: to lay the hand upon (for any purpose); euphemism for laying with a woman.

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

The phrase pleasant to the eyes in Hebrew word chamad: To desire, to covet, to take pleasure in, to delight in, to be desirable, to delight greatly, to desire greatly, desirableness, preciousness.

The word desired in Hebrew ta'avah (tah-av-aw'); from 183 (abbreviated); to yearn for, to lust after (used of bodily appetites) a longing; by implication, a delight (subjectively, satisfaction, objectively, a charm): a desire, a wish, longings of one's heart; lust, an appetite, covetousness (in a bad sense), to covet, to wait longingly.

The word took in Hebrew laqach (law-kakh'); a primitive root; to take (in the widest variety of applications): to take, to lay hold of, to receive, to marry, to take a wife, to take to or for a person, to procure, to get, to take possession of, to select, to choose, to take in marriage, to receive, to accept.

Thus we get:
Enoch 31:5 And he understood his condemnation and the sin which he had sinned before,
therefore he conceived thought against Adam, in such form he entered and seduced Eva, but did not touch Adam.

Originally Posted by wendylove

So god designed us really good, firstly alot of children die of cancer and other disease, which really shows intelligent design.

Anyway, then there was a flood, which is really stupid solution for getting rid off evil, espically since it didn't work.

Genesis 6:4 (Original KJV):
There were giants(Translated form nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and
they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which
were of old, men of renown.

Also in the book of Enoch
And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters(Also in genesis 6:1). And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children

It is true that they were giants in more senses than one. However, the word Nephilim does not mean "giants." It comes from the root "naphal," meaning "fallen ones".

When the Greek Septuagint was made, "Nephilim" was translated as "gegenes." This word suggests "giants" but actually it has little reference to size or strength. "Gegenes" means "earth born." The same term was used to describe the mythical "Titans" -- being partly of celestial and partly of terrestrial origin.

We get;
Genesis 6:12 (Original KJV):
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt;
for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Jude 6-7
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh..."

Genesis 6:9
Noah was a righteous man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with Elohim."

The Hebrew word translated from perfect is tamiym meaning without blemish, complete, whole, unimpaired, healthful. Connect the dots as to why noah was spared and why there was a flood.

All of this information has existed on my hard drive and I am in no way claiming all this research is my own. Certain sections were copied from various sources.

I know I going to be shreaded alive for posting this on a atheist dominated forum, but these are the answers I have to the topic creator.

Originally Posted by wendylove

The bible explanation is proberly really good. Firstly god created everything, and yet his greatest creation i.e. life is only on about 0.1% of the planets in the universe. So basically the universe is lifeless.

Anyway, past explanation from the bible was that the world was in the middle with the sun revolving around earth.

So there is a garden with life in it, and two humans picked an apple. This caused all the disease and sin in the world. This really contradicts a apple a day rule, note apples taste nasty don't eat them.

So god designed us really good, firstly alot of children die of cancer and other disease, which really shows intelligent design.

Anyway, then there was a flood, which is really stupid solution for getting rid off evil, espically since it didn't work. Then god sent down his only son to get rid off sin, however he failed and got killed.

Now were here in modern times. And yet science has shown this story to be a myth, and yet ne yo and other people believe this.

So is this a realistic scenario?

No. Its not meant to be taken literally. Me and you both know people thousands of years ago knew little about science..