Thread: Is it Hypocritical to believe in Extraterrestrial life, but not god?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Are you actually saying they are not the same planet and it's not the first planet on the list? Please tell me this is what you are implying so I can show you how stupid you sound right now.

The first planet on the list of candidates is Gl 581 c not Gl 581 d. They give them different names because they are two different planets. Gl 581 d doesn't even appear on that list.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

And what's the basis? Do you mean like our Moon is in the Habital Zone, but last I recall it didn't have a Atmosphere. (so much for thinking out the box huh? ). What could possibly make the chances so much greater than ours?

Thank you for confirming that you really are short-sighted. You seem to forgot that there is a satellite orbiting around a certain planet in our solar system that seems to possess a thing called an atmosphere (and a thick enough one to boot). Can you guess which one it is?

The point I'm getting at is that satellites increase the number of potential objects that can support life. Just because an exoplanet happens to be a Gas Giant in the habitable zone does not completely rule it out from being a potential source of life. Its satellites might be earth-like in terms of a rocky object with an atmosphere containing the necessary chemical composition that is required for life.

EDIT: Skysaw beat me to replying to that other post.

Originally Posted by skysaw

The first planet on the list of candidates is Gl 581 c not Gl 581 d. They give them different names because they are two different planets. Gl 581 d doesn't even appear on that list.

GI 581 d. is on the list, It's not the first one on the list but it's there. The first on on that list was GI 581 b.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

GI 581 d. is on the list, It's not the first one on the list but it's there.

Then why did you say it was the first one. Oh that's right... you hadn't looked at the list at that point. Oh, and it's listed under "HOT" for its orbital zone. How bad is your reading comprehension that you missed ALL of that?

The first on on that list was GI 581 b.

Which, by the way, is the only one of the three that is confirmed to be in the habitable zone. It is also the only one of the three you hadn't mentioned yet.

Liar status holding strong.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

GI 581 d. is on the list, It's not the first one on the list but it's there. The first on on that list was GI 581 b.

Gl 581 d is not listed as habitable, and whilst Gl 581 b was the first on that particular list, Gl 581 c was first on the HZ candidates list, which was what Skysaw said.

Comprehension, learn it.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Then why did you say it was the first one. Oh that's right... you hadn't looked at the list at that point. Oh, and it's listed under "HOT" for its orbital zone. How bad is your reading comprehension that you missed ALL of that?

Actually, just a quick correction. Both Gl 581 c and d are listed as cold.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Actually, just a quick correction. Both Gl 581 c and d are listed as cold.

Thank you for the correction.

Originally Posted by skysaw

Then why did you say it was the first one. Oh that's right... you hadn't looked at the list at that point. Oh, and it's listed under "HOT" for its orbital zone. How bad is your reading comprehension that you missed ALL of that?

Why did you say it's not listed anywhere on the list? You're reading comprehension obviously need some fine tunning. I recall also stating that complex life chemistry is highly unlikely on GI-581 d. So the only thing your doing is agreeing with my first statement.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Thank you for confirming that you really are short-sighted. You seem to forgot that there is a satellite orbiting around a certain planet in our solar system that seems to possess a thing called an atmosphere (and a thick enough one to boot). Can you guess which one it is?

Atomspheric conditions consisting mostly of Nitrogen doesn't make a very habital picture for complex life chemistry to exist.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Why did you say it's not listed anywhere on the list?

Um, because IT ISN'T. GL-581D does NOT APPEAR on the first list where you claimed it did. We know this is the list you were responding to in your post because the other list didn't have it until line number 54... a good scroll or two on most monitors. But you said it was listed first. Therefore, the list you were looking on did not contain that planet, which is why we know you responded without reading.

You're reading comprehension obviously need some fine tunning. I recall also stating that complex life chemistry is highly unlikely on GI-581 d. So the only thing your doing is agreeing with my first statement.

I never refuted that statement. However, one has to wonder why you mentioned it was the one most likely to support complex life from that list, so where does that leave you?

Liar status ++
Reading comprehension --

Ne-Yo you are still assuming there is only one way for life to form and only one kind of life ever.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Why did you say it's not listed anywhere on the list? You're reading comprehension obviously need some fine tunning. I recall also stating that complex life chemistry is highly unlikely on GI-581 d. So the only thing your doing is agreeing with my first statement.

You are a glutton for punishment aren't you?

Also, it is Gl not GI [/nitpick]

As for complex life chemistry, it wouldn't be Gl 581 d but Gl 581 b that would have the potential for complex life chemistry. We are correcting you and calling you on your bullshit reasoning. You are clinging onto an insignificant point like it actually has any weight to it and it is actually pathetic on your part.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Atomspheric conditions consisting mostly of Nitrogen doesn't make a very habital picture for complex life chemistry to exist.

Hmmm, let me quote the wikipedia article on Titan:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Titan is primarily composed of water ice and rocky material. The dense atmosphere prevented understanding of Titan's surface until new information accumulated with the arrival of the Cassini–Huygens mission in 2004, including the discovery of liquid hydrocarbon lakes in the satellite's polar regions. These are the only large, stable bodies of surface liquid known to exist anywhere other than Earth. The surface is geologically young; although mountains and several possible cryovolcanoes have been discovered, it is relatively smooth and few impact craters have been discovered.
The atmosphere of Titan is largely composed of nitrogen and its climate includes methane and ethane clouds. The climate—including wind and rain—creates surface features that are similar to those on Earth, such as sand dunes and shorelines, and, like Earth, is dominated by seasonal weather patterns. With its liquids (both surface and subsurface) and robust nitrogen atmosphere, Titan is viewed as analogous to the early Earth, although at a much lower temperature. The satellite has thus been cited as a possible host for microbial extraterrestrial life or, at least, as a prebiotic environment rich in complex organic chemistry. Researchers have suggested a possible underground liquid ocean might serve as a biotic environment.[9][10]

More here.

Edit: Bluefinger beat me to it.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

You are a glutton for punishment aren't you?


As for complex life chemistry, it wouldn't be Gl 581 d but Gl 581 b that would have the potential for complex life chemistry. We are correcting you and calling you on your bullshit reasoning. You are clinging onto an insignificant point like it actually has any weight to it and it is actually pathetic on your part.

And what exactly is my bullshit reasoning? The fact that I said it's highly unlikely and you're in agreement with me. If my reasoning is anyway bullshit then your agreement on my reasons confirms that your just calling bullshit on yourself, thats the bottom-line.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Hmmm, let me quote the wikipedia article on Titan:


More here.

And Like I said "NITROGEN" Let me make it a little more clear for your simplistic way of thinking. What are the chances of your survival on Titan's Dense nitrogen thick Atmosphere?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

And Like I said "NITROGEN" Let me make it a little more clear for your simplistic way of thinking. What are the chances of your survival on Titan's Dense nitrogen thick Atmosphere?

That would actually be a relavent question if bluefinger were the only form of life possible.

Originally Posted by skysaw

That would actually be a relavent question if bluefinger were the only form of life possible.

Well, how many forms of complex life are there?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

And what exactly is my bullshit reasoning? The fact that I said it's highly unlikely and you're in agreement with me. If my reasoning is anyway bullshit then your agreement on my reasons confirms that your just calling bullshit on yourself, thats the bottom-line.

lolwut?

I think we need purty pictures to explain to you why you have failed near damn consistently in this thread, though I'll try my best with just a numbered list:

1. You make an erroneous point, but then go on to make further erroneous claims.
2. Everyone else says "Wait a minute!" and points out where you were wrong time and time again.
3. You then claim that this supports your earlier point and self-proclaim victory.

This, my short-sighted friend, is a sign of delusion. I recommend you go see a shrink about this, and possibly get some medication for it. It might actually help you be more coherent in the future.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

And Like I said "NITROGEN" Let me make it a little more clear for your simplistic way of thinking. What are the chances of your survival on Titan's Dense nitrogen thick Atmosphere?

This is not about whether I can survive in Titan's atmosphere but whether forms of life are able to emerge within such conditions. Considering the rich organic composition of Titan's atmosphere and land, it is not thought to be impossible for a form of life to emerge in the conditions present.

As for the simplistic mind, unfortunately, it seems to be you who is afflicted with such an ailment.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Well, how many forms of complex life are there?

There are quite a few here on Earth, but you probably haven't noticed.

Perhaps you are not aware that Bluefinger would die very quickly submerged underwater, for example. As it happens, there are plenty of lifeforms that do quite well underwater. Many, in fact, would quickly perish if removed from that environment. I know it's hard to believe, but fish and humans require mutually exclusive environments to live.

Now I'm sure you'll "stump" me by pointing out that fish couldn't exist on Titan either. Please don't bother.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

lolwut?


I think we need purty pictures to explain to you why you have failed near damn consistently in this thread, though I'll try my best with just a numbered list:

1. You make an erroneous point, but then go on to make further erroneous claims.

You still haven't answered my question. What is this so-called erroneous claim?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

This is not about whether I can survive in Titan's atmosphere but whether forms of life are able to emerge within such conditions. Considering the rich organic composition of Titan's atmosphere and land, it is not thought to be impossible for a form of life to emerge in the conditions present.

It is about wether you can survive. I'm not arguing smpisitic life forms like microorganisms, cyanobacteria, bacteria, fungi, spores, pollen grains, and diatoms, like I mentioned earlier. I'm arguing complex life-forms.

Originally Posted by skysaw

There are quite a few here on Earth, but you probably haven't noticed.

Name one.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Name one.

See, this is why people say you have bad reading comprehension. Re-read my post, and you'll notice the inclusion of the word "fish."

Originally Posted by skysaw

See, this is why people say you have bad reading comprehension. Re-read my post, and you'll notice the inclusion of the word "fish."

Are you saying Fish can survive on Titan? Or are you making the claim that a fish-like creature that has the ability to live off nitrogen may exist?

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

You still haven't answered my question. What is this so-called erroneous claim?

Holy shit dude, short-sighted, deluded AND an amnesiac (or worse, onset of Alzheimer's disease)! You need some serious help

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

It is about wether you can survive. I'm not arguing smpisitic life forms like microorganisms, cyanobacteria, bacteria, fungi, spores, pollen grains, and diatoms, like I mentioned earlier. I'm arguing complex life-forms.

LOL pollen grains are gametes for sexual reproduction. Just when I thought you couldn't fail any more, you prove me wrong.

Also, by what definition do you classify as complex? Considering how quite a few prokaryotic and eukaryotic single-celled organisms can be considered quite complex. If you want to argue for intelligent life, then please change your terminology so not to be so vague.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Name one.

He did... fish. Fail.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Are you saying Fish can survive on Titan? Or are you making the claim that a fish-like creature that has the ability to live off nitrogen may exist?

First of all, thank you very kindly for raising me to the status of mind-reader. To wit:

Originally Posted by skysaw

Now I'm sure you'll "stump" me by pointing out that fish couldn't exist on Titan either. Please don't bother.

Second, let me now present you with the grand prize in the category of ignorance.

If you can't manage to grasp the fact that I was presenting two different life forms that needed two different environments ONLY as a means to demonstrate that an unusual environment doesn't preclude life, then you have no business discussing this subject.

But we already know you have no business discussing it because you have been shown to be a liar. Perhaps you can regain some of our confidence by explaining the following:

1. Why you thought G-581D was on the first list.
2. Why you arbitrarily changed to a different naming convention when referring to it.
2. What it would be doing on the list, since it's commonly accepted to be outside of the habitable zone.
3. Why you thought that if it were on the list, it would be the most likely candidate for life.
4. Why you think we care about it not being in the habitable zone when we already have 28 known examples in the zone, and another 55 candidates.
5. why you think fish are not a complex life form.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Holy shit dude, short-sighted, deluded AND an amnesiac (or worse, onset of Alzheimer's disease)! You need some serious help

Originally Posted by Skysaw

First of all, thank you very kindly for raising me to the status of mind-reader. To wit:

I didn't say fish were not complex life forms. Now my question still remains,

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Are you saying Fish can survive on Titan? Or are you making the claim that a fish-like creature that has the ability to live off nitrogen may exist?

Or are you going to join the dodge ball club along with bluefinger?

DEAR BIG FRICKIN' IDIOT,

Not only is it painfully clear that I don't think fish could survive on Titan, but I already covered it long before you asked. This serves better than any other example I can think of how incapable you are of comprehending what you read. I pointed out what a hyperbolic stupid response would be, and you responded with almost the exact wording I was making fun of.

Or are you going to join the dodge ball club along with bluefinger?

Thank you for inviting me aboard, captain, but I have other things to do with my time.