Thread: The Significance of Christ's Death.

Originally Posted by tnemrot

They go to hell. dun dun dun

Well darn. I'm screwed!

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Originally Posted by nitsuJ

What happens to the Christians that don't read the bible?

Originally Posted by tnemrot

They go to hell. dun dun dun

No, they just end up voting Republican.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

What happens to the Christians that don't read the bible?

Being a Christian is having the belief in the sacrifice of Jesus and consequently heaven, hell, God, and sins. That's the most basic definition of Christianity. And therefore, all Christians are fundamentally morons. As are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Being a Christian is having the belief in the sacrifice of Jesus and consequently heaven, hell, God, and sins. That's the most basic definition of Christianity. And therefore, all Christians are fundamentally morons. As are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

Right, because we believe in something there's no proof for or against. So I suppose all people that believe in abiogenesis among other origins of life are also morons for believing in something with the same amount of evidence? Thanks for clearing that all up for me.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Right, because we believe in something there's no proof for or against. So I suppose all people that believe in abiogenesis among other origins of life are also morons for believing in something with the same amount of evidence? Thanks for clearing that all up for me.

It has nothing to do with evidence. It's simply a matter of morality and being able to think rationally.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

It has nothing to do with evidence. It's simply a matter of morality and being able to think rationally.

Maybe some theists think it's irrational to believe in organic soups. Some atheists probably think it's even irrational to believe in organic soups more than likely. I guess it's all on a person's opinion.

And therefore, all Christians are fundamentally morons. As are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

And how is this not prejudice? By your standard Albert Einstein, Kierkegard, Devinci, Plato, Ben Stine, are all morns. And these are only a few of the 'household' names. There are literally countless others that aren't as well known. You have pretty much just said that you are mor intelligent than 'all' of those people simply because of their affiliations. That is as blatently prejudical and bigotrous as anything.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Maybe some theists think it's irrational to believe in organic soups. Some atheists probably think it's even irrational to believe in organic soups more than likely. I guess it's all on a person's opinion.

It's not a matter of opinion. If you say 2+2=5, you are wrong. It doesn't matter if a billion other people think the same. It's still wrong.

Originally Posted by spockman

And how is this not prejudice? By your standard Albert Einstein, Kierkegard, Devinci, Plato, Ben Stine, are all morns. And these are only a few of the 'household' names. There are literally countless others that aren't as well known. You have pretty much just said that you are mor intelligent than 'all' of those people simply because of their affiliations. That is as blatently prejudical and bigotrous as anything.

Einstein: Was an atheist. Go look it up.
Kierkegard: No clue who that is.
DeVinci: In his time, people were regularly executed for public displays of atheism. We can't conclude anything based on his writings.
Plato: I doubt Plato was Jewish...
Ben Stein: He is a fucking moron.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

It's not a matter of opinion. If you say 2+2=5, you are wrong. It doesn't matter if a billion other people think the same. It's still wrong.

So you're trying to say that there's no possibility of a God, Heaven, Hell, or some variant of the 3 can exist?

Albert Einstein
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
"God is subtle but he is not malicious."
''God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
''My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.''
''Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.''
"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
"When the solution is simple, God is answering."

To clear it up, Einstein believed in a god. Now he also said he did not believe
in an individual God the way most of us view God. (But he also admitted that due to the structure of the universe he admitted it was very possible.) He wasn't part of a sect. But he was not an 'atheist.' In fact, many times he expressed a deep admiration for religion. Especially particularly devoted Jews and Christian's. Here is the qoute about his particular religion. He did state that believing in a collective religion or book could be an honoralbe goal but a somewhat childish one.

Plato was as much for a structured religion as any person.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being
systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but
have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the
unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

That last quote was the one I was thinking of. I don't know how you can call that religious. It's deism at best, and that's a big stretch.

This will clear up Einstein, or should.

http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/

Originally Posted by Einstein

I was barked at by numerous dogs who are earning their food guarding ignorance and superstition for the benefit of those who profit from it. Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional "opium of the people"—cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not become smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims.

— Einstein to an unidentified adressee, Aug.7, 1941. Einstein Archive, reel 54-927, quoted in Jammer, p. 97

His antipathy towards atheism.

Short comments on God.

I love how theres always 2 threads with the same debate.

Einstein did not believe in the traditional christian God. This is obvious. However he was not an aetheist.

Read The World as I See it. It's a great book in which Einstein talks about pantheism and Baruch Spinoza. Free online copy

Agreed that ben stein is a moron. Bueller....

Originally Posted by stonedape

I love how theres always 2 threads with the same debate.

Einstein did not believe in the traditional christian God. This is obvious. However he was not an aetheist.

Read The World as I See it. It's a great book in which Einstein talks about pantheism and Baruch Spinoza. Free online copy

Agreed that ben stein is a moron. Bueller....

Source:

Originally Posted by Einstein

I can't answer with a simple yes or no. I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things.