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      Does Christianity allow non-Christians into heaven?

      Well i can't remember all the verses related to judgement and all that. Reason i ask is that i was browsing through a translation Qu'ran at school, got some scared looks by fellow Classmates(Christian), some telling me not to read it like it was evil or something.

      Anyway although the translation was not amazing it clearly stated near the start that the Muslims(obviously) would enter paradise but then that the Jew, Christians and I believe the words were "virtuous ones", would also enter heaven. later in the book it began to explain Christianity and other religions and split off's from the mixing of ancient wisdom and other complex stuff which is warped slightly by the men of the west, far east etc. It did go a little negative on Christians/Jews and others but never once seemed to refute what was stated earlier on, that Christians would still be allowed into paradise. Now obviously I must be missing something since all these Muslim extremists hate Christians, although i think it is the West they hate not the faith it self.

      Anyway what does the Bible say about those of other faiths, I guess the new testament not old just so we can be 100% clear it applies to today's Christians.
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      The bible says that you can only get to God through Jesus. Thus, if you're not a "true" christian then you can't get to Heaven.

      So yeah, all non-christians are thrown in a pit to burn for all eternity.
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      i thought so too... so their is no way around it? If you do not love Jesus and accept him as your saviour your doomed?

      What were the rules before Jesus then, in the OT? Was that judgement on deeds or did no one ever go to heaven before the coming of Jesus?
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      Heaven was cheap before people started driving Jesus.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cuddleyperson View Post
      i thought so too... so their is no way around it? If you do not love Jesus and accept him as your saviour your doomed?

      What were the rules before Jesus then, in the OT? Was that judgement on deeds or did no one ever go to heaven before the coming of Jesus?
      I seem to remember that they went to Purgatory. Do the christians still believe in Purgatory?

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      Quote Originally Posted by cuddleyperson View Post
      What were the rules before Jesus then, in the OT? Was that judgement on deeds or did no one ever go to heaven before the coming of Jesus?
      There was the Law given to the Jews which included ritual sacrifices to atone for sins as well as the observance of holy days, holidays, feasts, etc.

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      I seem to remember that they went to Purgatory. Do the christians still believe in Purgatory?
      Catholics still believe in Purgatory and possibly some protestant denominations. Maybe Lutherans (?).

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      Quote Originally Posted by Amethyst Star View Post
      Catholics still believe in Purgatory and possibly some protestant denominations. Maybe Lutherans (?).
      Catholics don't believe in the purgatory anymore.
      also like its been said before
      Christians believe the only way to heaven is through jesus christ
      it doesn't matter your good deeds, or intention
      accepting jesus as your savior is the only way

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      Quote Originally Posted by John 14:6-7 (KJV)
      6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
      7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
      Purgatory is being weeded out of religion(I think, I don't know all of them)
      Fundamentalist Christians definitely don't believe in it, Catholics are divided over it and Idk about others.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ClassyElf View Post
      The bible says that you can only get to God through Jesus. Thus, if you're not a "true" christian then you can't get to Heaven.

      So yeah, all non-christians are thrown in a pit to burn for all eternity.
      Makes you wonder when god edited the book of how you get to heaven, because what he just ran things differently before Jesus?

      Like really....
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ClassyElf View Post
      The bible says that you can only get to God through Jesus. Thus, if you're not a "true" christian then you can't get to Heaven.

      So yeah, all non-christians are thrown in a pit to burn for all eternity.
      As Elis D had quoted, Jesus is "the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father," but by Jesus.

      Essentially this means, do as Jesus would do. You do not have to be a super-christian or whatever, you can follow your own spiritual path etc. But understand that the way of Love and forgiveness is very powerful. Without Love, there is no way into Heaven.

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      yes but Jesus doesn't seem to just be saying behave like me, you have to accept Jesus as your saviour, as your God basically. Since God and Jesus are the same being.

      Since I like KFC, chinese takeaways as longs they involve chicken etc. Maybe I should turn Muslim? Their paradise has all types of birds to eat, nothing else but meh I'm ok on chicken and turkey then there's rivers of milk and honey so hopefully I can find some tea tress or ask Allah for some tetley's tea bags and make a cuppa. Then all those lovely virgins..I guess I get 72,42 what ever the number is replacements after I've de-virginised the ones I have? Although there's so many different looking women after a while your getting ones that look the same, so maybe I'll keep some as perm ones?

      although tbh i don't even have to become a Muslim I just have to be virtuous as according to the translated Qu'ran I should be ok, in fact all Gods apart from YHWH who seem to consider being kind and virtuosi enough to enter their heaven will be fighting to let me in.
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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post
      Essentially this means, do as Jesus would do. You do not have to be a super-christian or whatever, you can follow your own spiritual path etc. But understand that the way of Love and forgiveness is very powerful. Without Love, there is no way into Heaven.
      But you do believe that according to the majority of Christians you have to accept Jesus as your personal savior and acknowledge blindly that he is the creator of everything right?

      If yes, then only Christians get to heaven.
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      If heaven is full of Christians, I don't want to go there.

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      So this means that, by the traditional Christian definintion of heaven, I can basically do whatever I want and still get into heaven as long as I just accept Jesus?

      This doesn't add up here.

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      ...yes to put it simply but if you accept Jesus as your saviour you are supposed to live like he did(kind sinless etc). But from what i have read and asked on other Christian sites, yes even if you are not a great person if you dot truly accept Jesus as your God(son of, what ever) you will go to heaven, entry to heaven is not the weighing of good deeds against bad.
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      Also, there's no way to live ' sinless ' how you mentioned cuddley person just giving you a heads up and better understanding. That's literally impossibly.

      Only Jesus could live a life without sin.

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      I think everyone goes regardless.

      That's all I'm saying.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
      Also, there's no way to live ' sinless ' how you mentioned cuddley person just giving you a heads up and better understanding. That's literally impossibly.

      Only Jesus could live a life without sin.
      oh i realise that but i mean aim to as best you can. Should have phrased it better i suppose, basically try to sin as little as possible and repent when one does.
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      yeah it's crazy if the bible is true. I sometimes doubt theres a God but then again this Universe is so complex and massive it's hard to doubt in my opinion.

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      i always wondered one thing though which is unrelated to this thread, if we meet aliens which are not at all religious( especially if they say it was in their past when they were less developed beings) does that damage the mainstream religions?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
      yeah it's crazy if the bible is true. I sometimes doubt theres a God but then again this Universe is so complex and massive it's hard to doubt in my opinion.
      you don't have to follow the God of the Christian Bible though, you can live your life believing there is a higher being without following any mainstream religion as to be honest I think they all portray their God in a very human way and examples of what their Gods do shows them to be human and shows them in a negative aspect, like a tyrant I guess.
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      Hilter is in Heaven because he was a Christian. But Ghandi is in Hell because he was a damn Hindu infidel.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Hilter is in Heaven because he was a Christian. But Ghandi is in Hell because he was a damn Hindu infidel.
      Hitler seemed to be a bit mixed though, one minute he'd be saying now great Christianity and the church was, then he'd talk about destroying the Church in his final Reich.

      He has quoted to have said this though, seems he likes dem Muslims more then dem Christians:

      Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy.[288] According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness..."
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      Although the pigs told all the other animals how silly Sugarcandy Mountain was, they let the Raven remain...

      Most Christians teach that Jesus is the only way into heaven. This is one of the reasons why religion is blatantly stupid bollocks.

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      Anyone can say there a Christian, doesn't mean they are. I remember when I was one, I was a true one. I tried not to do sin as hardly as possible, but stuff happens and it goes on.

      But my point was that anybody can say there a Christian (Hitler) when there truly not, and you can tell by there actions..think about it.

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