I think that is a severe semantic distortion. Praying to the sun is nothing like praying for the Light of God. I'm not sure why you consider this unimportant.
Like I said, I don't care for this to turn into a debate on the origins and original meaning of Christianity, since that was only a minor point in my original post. I will say though that I think you are reaching quite a bit when you say praying to the sun is nothing like praying to the light of god; since they have pretty obvious and extensive linguistic similarities at the very least.
Originally Posted by really
Isn't that part of a natural cycle though? If not, what do you believe such an event will entail?
Everything I'm talking about here has to do with natural cycles. I don't believe in anything supernatural. Why can't a natural cycle be significant?
Originally Posted by really
The spiritual context of religions has always been beyond the material, perceivable world. I don't think it is that religions "resist" change, but that there is no need for them to. Resting on the solid ground of Truth, the only change is in the way it is expressed.
You still haven't answered my question. What religions haven't changed?
Originally Posted by really
This seems pretty mixed up. I wouldn't take this too seriously, as there are many things people believe that are not concordant with their religion. Zealous obsession obviously exaggerates a belief system in preference to a benign devotion to its foundation. Peoples minds can get caught up in dogma and dates whilst ignoring the essential point.
What about the Dalai Lama? He could be the last human re-incarnation because "he" is basically on the edge of enlightenment anyway.
I don't see anything wrong with believing in aliens, either, catholic or not.
I didn't say anything about fringe members of religions holding beliefs that are contrary to the core of the religion. Religions have changed. I don't think there is anything intrinsically wrong with change, I merely stated that it has taken place.
Originally Posted by really
Some of the oldest religions were to do with nature, yes. They were of the astral realms, however, showing projections of the human ego. "Thunder and rain - God is angry, we are being punished!" Far in the past though, the animal-mind/ego was much more primitive. Today the world is more benign, hatred and killing is still present, but despite its extremities, it is less present overall.
Consciousness research show that the collective consciousness of mankind took a significant jump in the 80's, which was a critical turning point of spiritual awareness. It may increase faster, and perhaps have an exponential effect, as you referred to as the "tipping point", which I believe is a strong possibility however far off it may be.
okay? I don't see the point here.
Originally Posted by really
This is nothing new, actually. Buddhism has probably been the easiest religion to see and convey this (the "void"), despite the lack of the term "God". All-present and all-loving/peace are timeless qualities. Funnily, because timelessness itself is also a quality.
Buddhism is new. All religions that exist today except for hinduism are new. When I said 'thousands of years ago' maybe I should have said tens of thousands to be more clear.
Originally Posted by really
The problem with other religions is, they tend to set up an image that God was "out there", and before time. He kick-started the Universe and will see you on the dreaded judgment day. To simplify in contrast, God is just the source of existence; which can be experientially confirmed upon enlightenment and given as much validity as the awareness of existence itself. Of course, people think there is no evidence for God, because it is presumed to be the objective content of the universe - when actually God is the absolute context thereof. Ignoring the infinite context of Reality for the sake of an intellectual proof is unconsciously narrow minded, yet it is a natural propensity of the human species and the intellect.
How can man's consciousness be so ignorant? It's supposed to be! Otherwise man would die! How is a human being supposed to understand that God is all that exists? Man is oblivious to it! Here is a limited hypothetical analogy: Live your entire life underground without going above the surface (you've never done that), and you are oblivious to the sky, and thus you are oblivious that you are underground. A "hippy" outside from "above the surface" says to you "Dude, wake up, let's go see the Sky! The Sky has no limits - no celing!" You think he is mad; but really you cannot comprehend the Sky. This is inherent ignorance.
Man cannot be aware that he is ignorant, unless he intends to find out why. In which case, he is no longer ignorant, but his universe becomes illuminated with enormous clarity. Man can discover his ignorance, and move beyond it into higher awareness.
I don't see the point of this either. It sounds like you are riffing off of half of a statement I made without really making a point. Is this just a sort of stream of consciousness or were you trying to get at something?
Like I said, I don't care for this to turn into a debate on the origins and original meaning of Christianity, since that was only a minor point in my original post. I will say though that I think you are reaching quite a bit when you say praying to the sun is nothing like praying to the light of god; since they have pretty obvious and extensive linguistic similarities at the very least.
That linguistic similarity is easy to see, but that's not the point. Likewise, a God that is personified does not mean that the God is actually a person or has a personage.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
Everything I'm talking about here has to do with natural cycles. I don't believe in anything supernatural. Why can't a natural cycle be significant?
Ok, so it is natural. I ask if it has happened before, if not then what are the potential dangers?
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
You still haven't answered my question. What religions haven't changed?
Actually, I can't visualize a religion changing. Unless you're talking about political manipulation (reformation/church etc)? Otherwise, the major religions, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism/Vedas are pretty solid (On second thought, maybe not Christianity . Too many different churches).
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I didn't say anything about fringe members of religions holding beliefs that are contrary to the core of the religion. Religions have changed. I don't think there is anything intrinsically wrong with change, I merely stated that it has taken place.
Yes but the examples you used are not really reflecting this specifically, they are minor issues.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
okay? I don't see the point here.
I was talking about the old religions - to do with nature/demons and how, as consciousness evolved, spiritual recognition becomes more of a proclivity. Spiritual awareness becomes less concerned with perception, dogma or projections.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
Buddhism is new. All religions that exist today except for hinduism are new. When I said 'thousands of years ago' maybe I should have said tens of thousands to be more clear.
Ok, I guess you must not be talking about "new" religions, then.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I don't see the point of this either. It sounds like you are riffing off of half of a statement I made without really making a point. Is this just a sort of stream of consciousness or were you trying to get at something?
Sorry, I didn't mean to look so remote. I was expanding on some ideas about the ignorance of mankind; not directly related to your sentence. The recognition of the qualities of God, that would be termed by the mystic, are contaminated in most religious expression. But that does not mean that a given religion was founded upon falsity.
I made an analogy about how man is oblivious to God, especially while denying Him. If you are not even talking about the so called "new" religions, please be more specific.
That linguistic similarity is easy to see, but that's not the point. Likewise, a God that is personified does not mean that the God is actually a person or has a personage.
I think the linguistic similarity is incredibly signifigant, as our language is the way we communicate our view of the world to each other. If we communicate concepts in similar ways, it means they are similar concepts.
Originally Posted by really
Ok, so it is natural. I ask if it has happened before, if not then what are the potential dangers?
Well I can't be sure that it has happened before to the same extent that it may be happening now, but if it has, all the previous cycles ended in failure in terms of progressing beyond this point since here we are again. Perhaps we are not meant by the forces that create us to progress beyond this point, but I don't see this possibility as the most likely one.
Originally Posted by really
Actually, I can't visualize a religion changing. Unless you're talking about political manipulation (reformation/church etc)? Otherwise, the major religions, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism/Vedas are pretty solid (On second thought, maybe not Christianity . Too many different churches).
Yes but the examples you used are not really reflecting this specifically, they are minor issues.
You think there are too many churches in Christianity but not buddhism or hinduism? Wikipedia lists 20 different sects of buddhism and there have been more that have come and gone. There are too many different forms of hinduism to count, since hinduism is the label applied to any group that worships a very large pantheon of different gods and their incarnations and no two groups recognize the same ones.
If you can't 'visualize' religions changing, then you need to bone up on your religious history. Christianity and Islam are both changed versions of Judaism; as are the Baha'i Faith, Sikhism, and many other off shoots.
As for the examples I gave, I would say that the Vatican is the oldest existing and therefore ranking authority in the Christian religion, and so for them to go from killing heretics to saying that belief in aliens is okay is a very pertinent example of religious change. 700 years ago, belief in an extraterrestrial creature that wasn't an angel would be demon worship and would get you killed.
Originally Posted by really
Sorry, I didn't mean to look so remote. I was expanding on some ideas about the ignorance of mankind; not directly related to your sentence. The recognition of the qualities of God, that would be termed by the mystic, are contaminated in most religious expression. But that does not mean that a given religion was founded upon falsity.
I made an analogy about how man is oblivious to God, especially while denying Him. If you are not even talking about the so called "new" religions, please be more specific.
I didn't say any religion was founded on falsity. I believe that they are all true. I simply believe that their objects of worship form a hierarchy, and that some hold influence over others. Just as Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades ruled over the other gods of the greek pantheon, some gods of the whole of the Earthly pantheon hold more sway over each other, and humanity. Somewhere at the top of this there is a theoretical One true god that embodies all of the others, but we are limited creatures that cannot perceive anything on that scale. My suggestion is that even today's most modern descriptions of an all encompassing god (yahweh, Brahma/Brahman) are probably only really descriptions of the predominant force of the Milky Way galaxy, with something yet completely unimaginable beyond that.
I don't really get this, why does seeing a leaf blow in the wind considered "god" or "an angel" or w/e? i used to go post at spiritualist boards and all that stuff they posted sounded completly rediculas.
I had a dream of my dead mom therefore it actually WAS my moms spirit
I wanted something and it happened therefore god did it.
I meditated and saw people therefore it was spirits
I asked my spirit guide for some help and my problem got fixed therefore i have a spirit guide
etc
etc
etc
I don't really know what you're asking; I don't know about where this is coming from either, sorry.
Originally Posted by LucidFlanders
There is 1 thing that i actually did find intresting, but it could easily be considered a couincidence but it sounds too big if couincidences can be this big. Once a year on this radio station this guy reads these letters people mail in and the music makes the story and his voice make the story breathtaking, anyway this kid sends in this letter and his beloved dog died and he was all sad, he wanted and asked if his dog was in heaven that the dog proves it to him, the next day there was a flag with the dogs name on it, it blew all the way from the other end of town. Of course this could have been a fake letter but you gotta be alittle crazy to deny everything that gets said just because you can't prove the story right. is this story too big to be a couincidence, or is it a perfect example of one? i always think of couincidences as something small happening.
Coincidences consistently arise in every size, whether they're noticeable or not. They are one with a natural cosmos.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I think the linguistic similarity is incredibly signifigant, as our language is the way we communicate our view of the world to each other. If we communicate concepts in similar ways, it means they are similar concepts.
Fortunately this is not the case, here. If you can understand the metaphor(s) of Christianity, they'd actually be seen as complementary to the many other great religions I have already mentioned. From there on, do the spiritual and religious concepts appear to unite and affirm each other.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
You think there are too many churches in Christianity but not buddhism or hinduism? Wikipedia lists 20 different sects of buddhism and there have been more that have come and gone. There are too many different forms of hinduism to count, since hinduism is the label applied to any group that worships a very large pantheon of different gods and their incarnations and no two groups recognize the same ones.
If you can't 'visualize' religions changing, then you need to bone up on your religious history. Christianity and Islam are both changed versions of Judaism; as are the Baha'i Faith, Sikhism, and many other off shoots.
Sure, there have been many branches and groups of this and that. But I guess I don't really see it as change, I just see it as some sort of diversity and cultural preference. Basically, I guess I'm stressing that the foundation of religions never changes. The various expressions; occasional dogmas or socio-cultural relativities are not be relevant to the changeless Truth.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I didn't say any religion was founded on falsity.
Please, I'm just stating my own conclusions here. I'm not implying you're thinking differently or that I am "putting words in your mouth."
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I believe that they are all true. I simply believe that their objects of worship form a hierarchy, and that some hold influence over others. Just as Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades ruled over the other gods of the greek pantheon, some gods of the whole of the Earthly pantheon hold more sway over each other, and humanity. Somewhere at the top of this there is a theoretical One true god that embodies all of the others, but we are limited creatures that cannot perceive anything on that scale. My suggestion is that even today's most modern descriptions of an all encompassing god (yahweh, Brahma/Brahman) are probably only really descriptions of the predominant force of the Milky Way galaxy, with something yet completely unimaginable beyond that.
The bold I find is very interesting, but it is the part that you are missing. This is where often I'd recommend the mystics explanation, who would attempt express the spiritual truths and nothing more. The bare essentials, if you will.
Indeed we are limited creatures, and our perception is flawed. But the basis of God-Realization/Enlightenment (etc) is that we transcend perception and limitation into spiritual realization. To go beyond thought is to move into the awareness of the absolute silence and "beingness" of existence. If enlightenment reveals omnipresent truth, "the infinite", there is nowhere that it is not. Thus, it is beyond a "milky way galaxy" - which is but a fleeting concept, a bread crumb, within the infinite emergence of all universes. Do you see what I'm saying?
Coincidences consistently arise in every size, whether they're noticeable or not. They are one with a natural cosmos.
Define what a coincidence is? i may have it all wrong, but i think of it as something small that happens, people don't understand, so they think it was just "luck" that it happened. I find that there is too much so called "luck" going on, i prefer to call it fate. It was MEANT to happen, so it happened. I don't mean fate as in a magical term, i mean fate just as it i think it really is meant to be used as...it was going to happen regardless. The story i shared seems too big to be a coincidence. What are the odds of that happening the next morning? and from the other side of town.
A "coincidence", according to the New Oxford American Dictionary:
1 a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection : it's no coincidence that this new burst of innovation has occurred in the free nations | they met by coincidence. 2 correspondence in nature or in time of occurrence : the coincidence of interest between the mining companies and certain politicians.
Really, 1 is given by a relative human meaning, implying a "specialness", sometimes termed "the miraculous". This is actually commonplace and impersonal; synchronous as 2, which is natural occurrence on all levels of existence. Coincidences. It actually is miraculous that cars normally drive on roads.
Originally Posted by LucidFlanders
i may have it all wrong, but i think of it as something small that happens, people don't understand, so they think it was just "luck" that it happened. I find that there is too much so called "luck" going on, i prefer to call it fate. It was MEANT to happen, so it happened. I don't mean fate as in a magical term, i mean fate just as it i think it really is meant to be used as...it was going to happen regardless. The story i shared seems too big to be a coincidence. What are the odds of that happening the next morning? and from the other side of town.
Yeah, I agree. It is not up to chance or luck, but by nature (karma/fate).
Fortunately this is not the case, here. If you can understand the metaphor(s) of Christianity, they'd actually be seen as complementary to the many other great religions I have already mentioned. From there on, do the spiritual and religious concepts appear to unite and affirm each other.
I believe it is the case here, and in every instance in which we use similar language to describe seemingly different phenomena. Since you persist in talking about it, you'll have to do better than asserting that your opinion is the truth and actually back yourself up.
Originally Posted by really
Sure, there have been many branches and groups of this and that. But I guess I don't really see it as change, I just see it as some sort of diversity and cultural preference. Basically, I guess I'm stressing that the foundation of religions never changes. The various expressions; occasional dogmas or socio-cultural relativities are not be relevant to the changeless Truth.
You believe that changeless truth exists and so you feel like your assertions can be made without backing yourself up, but this isn't the case. The changeless truth that you are speaking of is hardly universally accepted, and so this entire statement hinges on you actually proving its existence first.
Originally Posted by really
The bold I find is very interesting, but it is the part that you are missing. This is where often I'd recommend the mystics explanation, who would attempt express the spiritual truths and nothing more. The bare essentials, if you will.
Indeed we are limited creatures, and our perception is flawed. But the basis of God-Realization/Enlightenment (etc) is that we transcend perception and limitation into spiritual realization. To go beyond thought is to move into the awareness of the absolute silence and "beingness" of existence. If enlightenment reveals omnipresent truth, "the infinite", there is nowhere that it is not. Thus, it is beyond a "milky way galaxy" - which is but a fleeting concept, a bread crumb, within the infinite emergence of all universes. Do you see what I'm saying?
I am missing how? Missing the point that you are trying to make or missing in my knowledge of the world? I'm just trying to figure out if your natural condescending tone is coming out or if I'm misinterpreting you.
Have you known the Galaxy? I don't mean have you seen stars through a telescope, or seen th images that have been created to represent what scientists believe it looks like, but really Known it. I'm having trouble believing that you would be able to tell the difference between the immense cosmic scale of space/time encompassed by a galaxy and infinity if confronted with it.
It doesn't even really matter, since you haven't even experienced the "infinite emergence of all universes" or any omnipresent truth for yourself anyway. If you had, we wouldn't be having this conversation. All you know of these things is what you've read of other's accounts of them, and perhaps even some first hand description (although I doubt this). How can you be sure that those people didn't transcend normal human awareness, glimpse the underlying force of the Galaxy, become so overwhelmed by its vast and unimaginable immensity and conclude that it must be infinite, and therefore the entire universe?
I won't argue that any person claiming to have been enlightened is wrong or lying since I haven't experienced it myself and so cannot know the truth one way or another. This doesn't mean that because they say it is true I must accept it, and it doesn't mean that because they are beyond me that they are beyond error. I will say again, I believe if any human being were to perceive this Galaxy as it really is in its entirity, they would be incapable of distinguishing it from the infinite.
Edit: Sorry for the long post. I put in spoiler tags.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I believe it is the case here, and in every instance in which we use similar language to describe seemingly different phenomena. Since you persist in talking about it, you'll have to do better than asserting that your opinion is the truth and actually back yourself up.
Just in case we lost track, you are saying that there is linguistic similarity in the manner that Christianity is a sun-worshiping religion, therefore it is one. I am saying this is untrue and that the linguistic similarity, in terms of religious relationships, is rather due to the spiritual foundation which all the significant religions arise.
At the very core, beyond the rituals, ceremonies and dates, is the spiritual essence. The most important part of the religion is its foundation; the prophets, the Self-Realized, Lord Krishna, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord Buddha, etc. The spiritual connections are all based upon the illumination of the Divine Reality, called Brahman, Enlightenment, Self Realization, The Supreme, Nirvana, Heaven, Salvation (Salvation is not full Realization, however) etc. Those who seek this, by whatever name or teacher, sometimes "via the mind" are called mystics. Sri Ramana Maharshi is a famous mystic, who taught about the "Self" and "Self-inquiry", though he was a Hindu devotee.
I hope you can see the connections below, just from the list of quotes; there is a brilliant consistency. I think the context in which they're stated is already self-evident as for those seeking the Ultimate Reality or Salvation, as teachings and preachings. However, if you still doubt what I am saying, there is no harm exposing yourself to more material. It is then inevitable to see more connections. Here is but a few:
Spoiler for Buddha/Buddhism:
Buddha/Buddhism
He who experiences the unity of life sees his own Self in all beings, and all beings in his own Self, and looks on everything with an impartial eye.
Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.
We live in illusion and the appearance of things. There is a reality. We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all.
Have compassion for all beings, rich and poor alike; each has their suffering. Some suffer too much, others too little.
Spoiler for Sri Krishna (Bhagavad Gita)/Vedanta:
Sri Krishna (Bhagavad Gita)/Vedanta
Out of Compassion for them, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.
He alone sees truly who sees the Lord the same in every creature...seeing the same Lord everywhere, he does not harm himself or others.
Fix your mind on Me, be devoted to Me, offer service to Me, bow down to Me, and you shall certainly reach Me. I promise you because you are very dear to Me.
The power of God is with you at all times; through the activities of mind, senses, breathing, and emotions; and is constantly doing all the work using you as a mere instrument.
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.
Spoiler for Jesus/Christianity:
Jesus/Christianity
Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord and has made the Lord his hope and confidence.
- Jeremiah 17:7
The kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:21
I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by Me.
- John 14:6
Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him; I will set him on high, because he has known My name.
He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him I will be with him in trouble I will deliver him and honor him.
With long life I will satisfy him, and show him My salvation.
Psalm 91 14-16
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
JOHN 13:34
Spoiler for Sri Ramana Maharshi/Advaita Vedanta:
Sri Ramana Maharshi/Advaita Vedanta
There is no mind to control if you realise the Self. The mind having vanished, the Self shines forth. In the realized man, the mind may be active or inactive, the Self remains for him.
When we turn the mind inwards, God manifests as the inner consciousness.
Happiness is your nature.
It is not wrong to desire it.
What is wrong is seeking it outside
when it is inside.
You need not aspire for or get any new state.
Get rid of your present thoughts, that is all.
The Guru is both external and internal.
From the exterior he gives a push to the mind to turn it inwards.
From the interior he pulls the mind towards the Self and helps in the quieting of the mind. That is the Guru’s grace.
There is no difference between God, Guru and the Self.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
You believe that changeless truth exists and so you feel like your assertions can be made without backing yourself up, but this isn't the case. The changeless truth that you are speaking of is hardly universally accepted, and so this entire statement hinges on you actually proving its existence first.
They are not my assertions, but my observations and my faith, affirmed through what I have read. And while you do not back yourself up either, it is helpful to realize that the Truth stands on its own, regardless and unaffected. You are in trouble if you want it to be proven. The Absolute, the Universal Truth cannot be proven, and it is an ignorance to demand proof of it. Nothing bad or wrong with that, I'm just trying to be clear.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I am missing how? Missing the point that you are trying to make or missing in my knowledge of the world? I'm just trying to figure out if your natural condescending tone is coming out or if I'm misinterpreting you.
I'm sorry if I come across as condescending. I think you're misinterpreting religious dialogue, taking it too literally. You're missing that the Truth is always there, and always will be. It is unmistakable as it is, but it may be mistakable as a mere concept.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
Have you known the Galaxy? I don't mean have you seen stars through a telescope, or seen th images that have been created to represent what scientists believe it looks like, but really Known it. I'm having trouble believing that you would be able to tell the difference between the immense cosmic scale of space/time encompassed by a galaxy and infinity if confronted with it.
Where is this all coming from, do you know "the Galaxy"? Does anybody else? Is there a religion or spiritual pathway that leads to it?
I agree with your emphasizing on knowledge. I think this could be the answer to your own problem, not being able to conceptualize that which rests upon a radical paradigm of knowledge: Being.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
It doesn't even really matter, since you haven't even experienced the "infinite emergence of all universes" or any omnipresent truth for yourself anyway. If you had, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
You can't use the hypothetical as an argument. I am merely discussing the theoretical, and the confirmed spirutal Realities that are indeed complementary and affirmative to each other. I don't need to be enlightened to see the relationships, nor am I claiming to be.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
All you know of these things is what you've read of other's accounts of them, and perhaps even some first hand description (although I doubt this).
I have had profound personal revelations, some of which are better said to be impersonal. However, I won't really talk about these for arguments sake, but rather if you're genuinely curious.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
How can you be sure that those people didn't transcend normal human awareness, glimpse the underlying force of the Galaxy, become so overwhelmed by its vast and unimaginable immensity and conclude that it must be infinite, and therefore the entire universe?
What is this "Galaxy" business, really? There is no relationship between a human and a particular Galaxy. Why are you worried about mistaking God for a galaxy?
All is interconnected and One, One without separate parts, without division and thusly without limit. The Source of existence is not only beyond one galaxy, it is beyond millions of them; it is beyond all universes and all time. It is the universal Source, far from any distinctions and divisions.
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I won't argue that any person claiming to have been enlightened is wrong or lying since I haven't experienced it myself and so cannot know the truth one way or another. This doesn't mean that because they say it is true I must accept it, and it doesn't mean that because they are beyond me that they are beyond error. I will say again, I believe if any human being were to perceive this Galaxy as it really is in its entirity, they would be incapable of distinguishing it from the infinite.
Quite simply, a galaxy is a galaxy, and it is a finite, human perception. The infinite is the infinite; forever and everywhere, without limitation; beyond perception.
Just in case we lost track, you are saying that there is linguistic similarity in the manner that Christianity is a sun-worshiping religion, therefore it is one. I am saying this is untrue and that the linguistic similarity, in terms of religious relationships, is rather due to the spiritual foundation which all the significant religions arise.
Really, you are giving far too much room for truth and validity. Even if all things stem from a "truth" does not mean that they are true themselves. A theory can have some parts of truthful things in it, but that does mean that the rest of it is.
At the very core, beyond the rituals, ceremonies and dates, is the spiritual essence. The most important part of the religion is its foundation; the prophets, the Self-Realized, Lord Krishna, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord Buddha, etc. The spiritual connections are all based upon the illumination of the Divine Reality, called Brahman, Enlightenment, Self Realization, The Supreme, Nirvana, Heaven, Salvation (Salvation is not full Realization, however) etc. Those who seek this, by whatever name or teacher, sometimes "via the mind" are called mystics. Sri Ramana Maharshi is a famous mystic, who taught about the "Self" and "Self-inquiry", though he was a Hindu devotee.
You speak like a Baha'i - the desperate people who actually think all religions are true in some sense to try and salvage humanity and yet fail to see how offering truth to all beliefs is actually completely non sequitur.
I hope you can see the connections below, just from the list of quotes; there is a brilliant consistency. I think the context in which they're stated is already self-evident as for those seeking the Ultimate Reality or Salvation, as teachings and preachings. However, if you still doubt what I am saying, there is no harm exposing yourself to more material. It is then inevitable to see more connections. Here is but a few:
Have you considered that they are all similar because they all come from humans?! What do you think horses would write, if they could? How do you think the psychology of religion describes these quintessential behaviour of humans that try to understand their environment?
They are not my assertions, but my observations and my faith, affirmed through what I have read. And while you do not back yourself up either, it is helpful to realize that the Truth stands on its own, regardless and unaffected. You are in trouble if you want it to be proven. The Absolute, the Universal Truth cannot be proven, and it is an ignorance to demand proof of it. Nothing bad or wrong with that, I'm just trying to be clear.
Yet again you denigrate another thread into this cesspool of what you call "unprovable truth". You like to think of it as an invincible predicate while you also say it cannot be demonstrated, yet you can still manage to pontificate it and describe it. Really what you are is an agnostic in sheeps clothing of a spiritualist (or Baha'i, I suspect now).
I'm sorry if I come across as condescending. I think you're misinterpreting religious dialogue, taking it too literally. You're missing that the Truth is always there, and always will be. It is unmistakable as it is, but it may be mistakable as a mere concept.
No, you misunderstand by giving people way too much benefit of the doubt. Yet again, even if all things stem from a truth, this does not mean that all those subsidiaries of "truth" are, in fact, "true". A simple look at the problem of the "perfect God" creating "imperfect beings" shows this struggle.
I agree with your emphasizing on knowledge. I think this could be the answer to your own problem, not being able to conceptualize that which rests upon a radical paradigm of knowledge: Being.
Here's where you arrogance of spiritual enlightenment shines - obviously you are the only one that understand the "truth" and no one else does, right? You seriously need to quit trolling about shit that you know you even don't understand nor can demonstrate or speak about.
Until you can provide falsifiability in your theory - it holds absolutely no grounds at all - especially no grounds for "truth". But it can't be falsified, right?
You can't use the hypothetical as an argument. I am merely discussing the theoretical, and the confirmed spirutal Realities that are indeed complementary and affirmative to each other. I don't need to be enlightened to see the relationships, nor am I claiming to be.
Right - you just march around the boards pontificating your "truth" as though you know nothing about it but everyone else is "lost" or "mis-understands" - but you do not claim to be enlightened..? Or is this part of your circular logic where you claim that your knowledge of enlightenment is that you know nothing..? Right. Forgot that part. You're infallible apparently - and so are your arguments. /sarcasm.
All is interconnected and One, One without separate parts, without division and thusly without limit. The Source of existence is not only beyond one galaxy, it is beyond millions of them; it is beyond all universes and all time. It is the universal Source, far from any distinctions and divisions.
You have no grounds for this, no support, no evidence, no reason, nothing. Been over this before and here you are again infecting another person with your nonsense. Stop it. It's digressive - and you know it as you have already said before that the person has to be at "the same level of understanding" to understand "the true truth".
Though I am sure you have many rationalizations of why I do not understand your stance that rectifies your personal philosophies grounds - just the same as a solipsist or a child with an imaginary friend. You know this, but you don't like the comparison, but too bad because you know that you cannot offer anyone anyone incentive to your beliefs or reason to listen to them, SO STOP IT.
Seriously.
You are far more ignorant and blind than you claim to be - that which claims to "know nothing" and "not be enlightened" while arguing unfalsifiable, isolated, subjective, tautological, non sequitur, garble.
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