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      Question What religion would you call my best friend?

      He believes in the Christianity God but he refuses to worship him because of what he does. He knows the bible by heart, no joke he's like a teenage girl that is obsess with the Twilight but it's the bible.

      The main reason he said is because, he rather not worship a man who condemns people to a eternity of torture for not worshipping him.


      What in the hell would you call his religion status lol? Because it beats me... I really don't wanna ask him because I don't wanna offend him or anything.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Halocuber View Post
      He believes in the Christianity God but he refuses to worship him because of what he does. He knows the bible by heart, no joke he's like a teenage girl that is obsess with the Twilight but it's the bible.

      The main reason he said is because, he rather not worship a man who condemns people to a eternity of torture for not worshipping him.


      What in the hell would you call his religion status lol? Because it beats me... I really don't wanna ask him because I don't wanna offend him or anything.
      Your friend has a serious misunderstanding of the bible and should really seek help in understanding the scriptures more. He should know that God is not a Man for starters, secondly He should also be aware that God doesn't condem people to hell, nor does hell even exist. He's probably a closet Atheist, thats my guess.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ne-yo View Post
      Your friend has a serious misunderstanding of the bible and should really seek help in understanding the scriptures more. He should know that God is not a Man for starters,.
      He was using teen talk. So don't be to proud of yourself.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Halocuber View Post
      He was using teen talk. So don't be to proud of yourself.
      Don't worry about me, just worry about yourself.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Halocuber View Post
      he rather not worship a man who condemns people
      Well, that's one way to define God. A man.

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      hmmmmm

      he's either

      : about to throw away dogmatic beliefs upheld by the church, and believe God sends no one to hell, held up by spirituality

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      : will lose his faith entirely in God

      the religion he's apart of? Christianity. Many Christians have a hate-fear relationship with God, which causes a host of emotional problems.

      either way, its not good to believe in a God that sends people to hell for not worshipping 'him'. Though I believe in God, an atheist is in a much better position spiritually than him

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      Ne-yo, actually there is a lot of scripture that references hell as a real place. If you would do some studying of your own you would see that. Just one example... Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
      Also Matthew 11:23 states And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
      John 3:16 also states For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
      This shows that if you believe in Jesus as your lord then you will be saved. You will not go to Hell. Believe what you want. It is your decision. Not trying to convert anyone... Before you start makeing remarks about the Bible, you should do your research first.
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      davej... those quotes are mistranslations and symbols.
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      Yeah that's what you all say because you can't come up with a better answer. Read the Bible and you will see it word for word per King James Version.
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      Just tell him that he sent his own Son to hell for all of us. All we have to do is love him back in order to go to heaven.


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      Quote Originally Posted by davej View Post
      Yeah that's what you all say because you can't come up with a better answer. Read the Bible and you will see it word for word per King James Version.
      I wonder now, since followers of both Judaism and Islam are encouraged to learn the original language of their alleged holy texts. How many Christians today go out of their way to learn Greek?

      You might want to take your own advice.
      Read the bible.
      The original copy.
      In Greek.

      Chances are that whatever version you're reading now has butchered the original messages. Never mind that parts of the "holy book" have been omitted altogether. So go ahead, take your advice and read it. You have no right to be telling others to do so if you haven't read the original yourself.

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      Haha. The original Greek references "Gehenna" not hell in Mark 9:43.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna

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      Quote Originally Posted by davej View Post
      Ne-yo, actually there is a lot of scripture that references hell as a real place. If you would do some studying of your own you would see that. Just one example... Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
      Also Matthew 11:23 states And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
      John 3:16 also states For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
      This shows that if you believe in Jesus as your lord then you will be saved. You will not go to Hell. Believe what you want. It is your decision. Not trying to convert anyone... Before you start makeing remarks about the Bible, you should do your research first.
      I've done my research, you however seem to be the one misinformed. The King James bible has been butchered and transgressed to no end. It's a wonder why that bible is still in circulation. Take a closer look at some passages and you will find the truth. What really happens to the spirit when a person dies? Psalm 146:4 says: "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish." When a person dies, his impersonal spirit does not go on existing in another realm as a spirit creature. It "returns to the true God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:7) tells us that this means that any hope of future life for that person now rests entirely with God.

      So what does the bible tell us about the true condition of the dead? If you read carefully you will find when God pronounced sentence upon Adam, God stated: "Dust you are and to dust you will return." (Genesis 3:19) Where was Adam before God formed him from the dust of the ground and gave him life? He simply did not exist! When he died, Adam returned to that state of complete absence of life. The condition of the dead is made clear at Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, where we read: "The dead know nothing, in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom." Scripturally, death is a state of nonexistence. The dead have no awareness, no feelings, no thoughts.

      Hell has a symbolic meaning in the King James bible and people like you take it literally and then infect others with that garbage of an all-consuming, or thorough, destruction? Separating fire from Hades, or hell, the Scriptures say: "Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire." "The lake" mentioned here is symbolic, since death and hell (Hades) that are thrown into it cannot literally be burned. "This [lake of fire] means the second death" death from which there is no hope of coming back to life. read Revelation 20:14.

      Take special notice that the lake of fire has a meaning similar to that of "the fiery Gehenna [hell fire, King James Version]" that Jesus spoke of. (Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:47, 48) Gehenna occurs 12 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, and it refers to the valley of Hinnom, outside the walls of Jerusalem. When Jesus was on earth, this valley was used as a garbage dump, "where the dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses of animals, and every other kind of filth was cast." (Smith's Dictionary of the Bible) The fires were kept burning by adding sulfur to burn up the refuse. Jesus used that valley as a proper symbol of everlasting destruction.

      As does Gehenna, the lake of fire symbolizes eternal destruction. Death and Hades are "hurled into" it in that they will be done away with when mankind is freed from sin and the condemnation of death. Willful, unrepentant sinners will also have their "portion" in that lake. (Revelation 21:8) They too will be annihilated forever. On the other hand, those in God's memory who are in so-called hell which the original Hebrew version mentions the common grave of mankind, have a marvelous future.

      Also explain to me why does Revelation mention of "2" resurrections? The righteous and the unrighteous? Do you really think that God would send people to a hell just to resurrect them back? It doesn't make sense and if you are a true Christian you would know in your heart that God is benevolent and not malevolent.

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