The Theory of Intelligent Design

[Sornaensis]

Post all evidence for intelligent design in here please. Rules: No Arguments form ignorance No refutations of evolution or other theories. This is ONLY for posting how intelligent design explains the universe BETTER than evolution or other theories of origin Citations are REQUIRED for EVERY post. If your arguments for intelligent design are contradicted by more then 3 outside sources they will be thrown out No unfalsifiable arguments or conjectures. Hypotheses explaining reality only please There is nothing to display here Now's your chance to shine, Noogah =3

[Noogah]

Oh, great! Another obligation???? If your arguments for intelligent design are contradicted by more then 3 outside sources they will be thrown out Ha ha. Then you can forget about me even TRYING my luck here.

[Sornaensis]

You can't provide more positive sources FOR your argument then can be found contradicting whatever nonsense you may be preaching? Oh, I am absolutely shocked.

[Kuhnada29]

Two words. Sacred Geometry. The blueprint for creation itself. Ancient civilizations like the Mayans and the Egyptians knew about the divine geometry, and used it in their art and architecture. Modern science can't even duplicate some of the things they built because they used SG. All human beings are shaped according to a ratio that is precise and uniform. The human face equals one tenth of the total body height. The foot equals one sixth of the total body height, etc. The same ratio in the human body – 1 to PHI (1.618) – exists in every part of nature, every where you look... from swimming fish to swirling planets, even music and light. This divine ratio, or divine proportion, has been called the building block of all life. Research it, if you don't understand or think it's all nonsense, then that's just your belief and I can't say much more. Your probably going to argue that their just seeing patterns that aren't there. Try going into a building constructed using sacred geometry and see how you feel. SG isn't known to mainstream science yet, and maybe it never will be. Sacred Geometry is a forgotten science that is probably being abused by certain people. Here is a simple mandala created using sacred geometry. Concentrate on the center dot and watch it rotate all kinds of ways. You participate actively in the viewing. This gives the mind something to concentrate on while allowing the body to relax, tension to dissipate, and peace and an expanded awareness to flow through. With Mandalas, if you concentrate long enough you may even feel like your entering the image itself. You can't be analytical while "visually meditating" on Mandalas, so keep your thoughts down. That's the whole point.

[Universal Mind]

Noogah, I think he is just saying to focus your argument on the intelligent design hypothesis itself and not the rival theories. In other words, argue why intelligent design makes sense instead of why the alternatives don't. I would be interested in reading that too. Hard wired, why does a common scientifc pattern prove that something with a mind created things in nature? Why couldn't it be that evolution moves toward certain patterns that are advantageous? I mean, all planets are virtually spherical, but there is a scientific explanation for it. The pattern does not prove conscious decision. Why would other patterns?

[Tyler]

This should be interesting.

[YULAW]

This is cool but to make this work then something else needs to happen with the below statement. No refutations of evolution or other theories. This is ONLY for posting how intelligent design explains the universe BETTER than evolution or other theories of origin. If we cannot refute evolution and other theories in our explainations then you cannot use any sources of evolution or theories to show any contradiction that may apply to the Theory of Intelligent Design. All contradiction efforts that apply sources indicative of theories and evolution should be very well dismissed.

[Kuhnada29]

Hard wired, why does a common scientifc pattern prove that something with a mind created things in nature? Why couldn't it be that evolution moves toward certain patterns that are advantageous? I mean, all planets are virtually spherical, but there is a scientific explanation for it. The pattern does not prove conscious decision. Why would other patterns? It isn't JUST a common pattern...it is THE pattern. The pattern that is encoded in all of the universe. It proves that a conscious mind created everything because it's all in order, determined and precise. It may have been evolution if the pattern was only in certain things, like maybe animals, then it would have been chaotic/random, but it's not. The pattern is everywhere in the universe...the universe IS the pattern. It's all a hologram.

[Universal Mind]

It isn't JUST a common pattern...it is THE pattern. The pattern that is encoded in all of the universe. It proves that a conscious mind created everything because it's all in order, determined and precise. It may have been evolution if the pattern was only in certain things, like maybe animals, then it would have been chaotic/random, but it's not. The pattern is everywhere in the universe...the universe IS the pattern. It's all a hologram. And virtual sphere is THE pattern of planets. There are just a few patterns of galaxy form. All tornados are funnel shaped. Why does any of this prove conscious decision?

[Bonsay]

It isn't JUST a common pattern...it is THE pattern. The pattern that is encoded in all of the universe. It proves that a conscious mind created everything because it's all in order, determined and precise. It may have been evolution if the pattern was only in certain things, like maybe animals, then it would have been chaotic/random, but it's not. The pattern is everywhere in the universe...the universe IS the pattern. It's all a hologram. I never understood this. Why do mathematics and their perception point to a god? Seriously, if you haven't seen universes which weren't designed, how can you know which one is just a universe and which one is designed. Nobody ever answers this. The way I understand it's all just the usual universe is pretty, therefore god made it, because only god can make pretty things - argument.

[Sornaensis]

If we cannot refute evolution and other theories in our explainations then you cannot use any sources of evolution or theories to show any contradiction that may apply to the Theory of Intelligent Design. All contradiction efforts that apply sources indicative of theories and evolution should be very well dismissed. Why? He is arguing for his case. He needs to present valid evidence as to why his theory is correct. If he misstates something in order to give the appearance of an argument that is covered by evolution and other theories, then we can absolutely use them to explain his less explicit points. What I am saying is, that he is not allowed to say "Evolution is a lie because of entropy and therefore Intelligent Design is the correct theory", for two reasons: One, because this does not give information about intelligent design, and Two, it has been proven to be a fallacy by physics and natural sciences. If you are unable to provide substance to your argument then the proof quote shall remain empty.

[Noogah]

Okay okay that's fine. But listen meat head, please don't call me out like that again. There are some things that I like to get involved with, and others I don't. I really dislike the thought of people trying summon me like a genie any ole' time they wish. Also, good luck on trying to make this an evolution free zone. I've tried before unsucsesfully. I'm starting to think that this section is under a spell.

[Sornaensis]

You realize I was making fun of you, right? This thread is for posting arguments for ID, not against competing theories. I was just wondering if this Theory has any substance at all to it.

[ExoByte]

Okay okay that's fine. But listen meat head, please don't call me out like that again. There are some things that I like to get involved with, and others I don't. I really dislike the thought of people trying summon me like a genie any ole' time they wish. Also, good luck on trying to make this an evolution free zone. I've tried before unsucsesfully. I'm starting to think that this section is under a spell. A spell?! HES TALKING WITCHCRAFT! BURN THE HERETIC AT THE STAKE!

[Noogah]

You realize I was making fun of you, right? Oh, but of course you were my good man! If you were not attempting to troll/annoy/make fun of/condemn/and otherwise attempt to make my life miserable, you would not have used my username in your post, now would you? But that is besides the point. The point was that you specifically called me out, and I therefore felt obligated to respond. Your motive for doing so is irrelevant, you still did, and I ask that you don't. A spell?! HES TALKING WITCHCRAFT! BURN THE HERETIC AT THE STAKE! I suspected witchcraft, I did not perform it. Even the Catholic authorities (who lived several hundred years ago) suspected witchcraft. Otherwise, no one could have burned at stake.

[Xaqaria]

Hey guys, lets start over. How about we start with this question; What exactly do creationists believe? How, exactly do you think the universe came into being? Hopefully you've developed your beliefs a little bit beyond "god did it".

[Noogah]

This irritates me. Who told you that "God did it?" I've never heard anyone present so utterly, and annoyingly simplistic. Tell me how to contact him, because he and I are in for a long discussion. As for me, I'm game. I'll write later. As for now, time for a computer fun break!

[Sisyphus50]

If we cannot refute evolution and other theories in our explainations then you cannot use any sources of evolution or theories to show any contradiction that may apply to the Theory of Intelligent Design. All contradiction efforts that apply sources indicative of theories and evolution should be very well dismissed. This isn't how science works. You don't prove you're right by saying the other guy is wrong. You prove you're right by displaying evidence that you're right. Or by explaining the same phenomena with a simpler explanation that posits fewers unknowns (preferably, none).

[YULAW]

This isn't how science works. You don't prove you're right by saying the other guy is wrong. You prove you're right by displaying evidence that you're right. Or by explaining the same phenomena with a simpler explanation that posits fewers unknowns (preferably, none). Thanks for your 2 cents but A Roxxor already covered this. You just reiterated what he already stated.

[Sisyphus50]

The level of incorrectness presented in it (and the content of your posting elsewhere on this board) suggests you need things spelled out multiple times.

[Invader]

I used to think that intelligent design applied to the general order of the entire universe. Is that not supposed to be the case? Just organisms?

[SpecialInterests]

Look how nicely a banana fits the human hand. Like geez.

[Bonsay]

I used to think that intelligent design applied to the general order of the entire universe. Is that not supposed to be the case? Just organisms? Yea that's the thing. If I was an ID person, I'd see the whole "Big Bang to life" transition the miracle of design. While these ID people say "It's impossible that hydrogen etc. got to this point just through the working laws of physics, so there was magic at a point, which made life."

[SpecialInterests]

Yea that's the thing. If I was an ID person, I'd see the whole "Big Bang to life" transition the miracle of design. While these ID people say "It's impossible that hydrogen etc. got to this point just through the working laws of physics, so there was magic at a point, which made life." And may I recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosynthesis to those people.

[spockman]

I was going to point out the things withing evolution which don't work without some outside factor... Which would point towards intelligent design... Buuut apparently that's not allowed here. Nice work streamlining the eligibility creating a giant