Cannabis-Induced-Lucid-Dreaming ( OH YEA )

[Kuhnada29]

I am now 100% convinced that weed actually takes you TO the subconscious mind. But fear resists it..thus smokers becoming depersonalized. For one thing, melatonin helps with having vivid dreams, and weed increases melatonin production by 4,000% percent. This is scientifically documented. -------------- The weirdest thing happened to me last, I was so fucking high off weed that when I came into the house to lay down I immediately witnessed hypnagogic imagery as I relaxed. One thing is for certain, weed relaxes the body to the upmost degree. Which is all that is really required for a WILD. We must keep the mind awake though.

[Dimethyltryptamine]

Are you sure it was HI? Are you sure it wasn't closed eye visuals? I know I can never WILD when I'm stoned. My mind always wanders and I can never focus.

[SKA]

Are you sure it was HI? Are you sure it wasn't closed eye visuals? I know I can never WILD when I'm stoned. My mind always wanders and I can never focus. If you ask me HI and Close Eyed Visuals are one and the same thing. perhaps HI is a possible indication that endogenous DMT-levels in the brain are gradually rising. The peak of these theoretically DMT induced experiences being what we know as "Dreams" We humans seem to experience strange visual phenomena with our eyes closed near sleep. And some hours into the sleep we experience imaterial, realistic, submersive visions we call "Dreams". Experiences very remeniscent of Entheogenic tryptamine experiences (such as DMT, LSD, Psilocybin and other Entheogenic tryptamines. And it is scientifically confirmed that the human brain produces DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-OH-DMT and other psychoactive compounds that are known to cause visions.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

I have been very high on weed and gotten into that higher dimension perspective. In fact it would happen all the time, but after a half hour or 45 minutes I would crash and get the munchies and be kind of stupid. I don't smoke anymore but I have smoked for 17 or 18 years, not everyday all the time but sometimes everyday. But I have tried over and over again to WILD while I was stoned. Each and every time no matter how high I was I couldn't focus my mind. When I stopped smoking for a week I was immediately able to WILD pretty consistently. I think that pot stimulates your mind and releases DMT and such, but then it depresses it and the DMT fades. I don't think it relaxes my body, my haw would be tense and my shoulders and neck. I think that yoga and deep breathing relax the body and the mind. It is interesting though, Pot DOES do something relaxing. It relaxes consciousness, hmm? Everyone is different, I wish I could still smoke weed and be able to lucid dream.

[Motumz]

Hmm this is very interesting. I have some Chocolate Kush left over from last night. I think I'll try this tonight and see what I get. I hope my mind doesn't wander too much..

[Tarsier]

420 for life brah

[Kuhnada29]

My mind was wandering also when I was laying in bed Dimeth, I think rambling thoughts is what causes us to lose consciousness. I believe closed eye visuals and hypnagogic imagery to be the same exact thing, the way I see it, it's still DMT being released in the brain. Weed IS a psychedelic. I don't know why the high was so strong ( maybe because I usually don't smoke that much ), the body vibrations I was getting felt insanely intense. Like waves...I think the rambling fear thoughts is what PREVENTS the relaxing state required for a WILD. Deep breathing relaxed me though. Mood and setting are important, if you are uncomfortable when your high on weed, you experience anxiety and fear-chaotic thoughts to the upmost degree..they keep multiplying and intensifying ...it was driving me mad last night. So the best thing is to be in a good mood and and breath deeply when trying this. Relaxation is key..just like with a regular WILD attempt. Something else that was weird is that last night, besides the visual hallucination, I witnessed auditory hallucinations...I thought I was going mad! It definitely was the same as when I attempted a WILD one night and heard a voice. Probaly was in the HI stage. One thing is for sure...I was extremely high, the last time I was high like this was like my 4th or 5th time smoking weed and I almost had a panic attack. So to sum it up: Cannabis deeply relaxes the body, which is all that is required for a WILD. This is what I will try next time I smoke: 1.) Get extremely high in a comfortable setting and be in a good mood 2.) Lay down in bed and close my eyes 3.) Diaphragmatic breathing ( deep breathing ) 4.) AWARENESS...I know my body is relaxed when I smoke, but I need to stay aware. I will try visualization. I feel with the body relaxed the way it is from cannabis, I just try and visualize a dream scene and it will manifest. But I have to stay conscious. SO, this is how I think it goes. Mind awake/ Body Asleep formula: Cannabis = relaxation..body asleep Visualization = Mind(attention) awake. Focusing on something sensory keeps you from zoning out. Zoning out quells attention. It's the thoughts, I believe..the rambling thoughts is what CAUSES us to lose conscious every night we sleep, we need to visualize..use our senses and have our attention on something for a dream to manifest. THIS is from a user on a cannabis message board: So I decided to make this thread about lucid dreams. mainly becuase they are fuckin awesome. but anyways I am going to tell you what works for me on having a lucid dream, and hopefully other will chime in and tell us what helps them with lucid dreams. So to start you want to be able to totally relax your body to the point of it being asleep while keeping your mind awake. I personally like to smoke a real fat bowl, then lay down with a pillow under my head and once I lay down I just concentrate on a certian area of muscles (like toes. feet. lower leg. upper leg. stomach. chest. fingers. hand. lower arm. upper arm. shoulders. neck. then once I get to my face I concentrate on each muscle) once they all feel relaxedyour body will feel like it doesnt want to move, and you will think about moving but it wont really happen. at this point you will have lots of somewhat random thoughts running through you mind, just relax and go with the fow, untill you start to focus on one thing. then once you get into this one thing (one single dream) you can make what ever choices you want. I have found that when your high and lucid dreaming you choose to do some weird shit. like In one dream i was talking to a friend and we finished our conversation, and I just hopped up in the air and floated away. anyways hopefully that makes sense and helps people start with lucid dreams. they can be very fun, and very trippy if your on a sativa high

[w4nd3r3r]

I'm sceptical about that melatonin-and-marijuana effecting dreaming thing... Where was this documented? I'm not challenging it as I can vouch for both of the drugs having at least some effect on dreaming; I just always like seeing comprehensive analysis of things like that. Your experience sounds very interesting, and of course, fun. Once when I was very high on LSA (not LSD), I for some reason decided I wanted to sleep soon, so I dropped a melatonin pill and I almost completely lost control of my body and the hallucinations pretty much doubled. It was overpowering but really interesting. Not only was it almost instant, but I also never expected melatonin to have any effect with something like LSA.

[tekkendreams]

i smoke pretty much once everyweekend and its hard for me to get a lucid dream , but i have to admit as soon as you get hight lay down and close ur eyes , when ur heads spinning it feels very similar when ur transitioning into a dream

[Kuhnada29]

Ok now I'm DEFINITELY convinced that weed gives you lucid dreams The key is visualization. You have to visualize yourself into a lucid dream with cannabis. This is probably the most important part because if you don't visualize anything and keep your senses aware you will just go unconscious like normally. Here is something i posted in another thread about cannabis. I smoked yesterday. And i think I almost had a cannabis-induced lucid dream. I believe weed can "induce" hypnagogic hallucinations...I say this because this is the second time i've had HH from weed which might have something to do with the 4,000% increase in melatonin. The first time the HH was light and uncontrollable........this time it was more detailed and i could control it. Anything you focus on while high from weed is increased tenfold. I layed down and listened to the fan and it sounded louder more, clear and lucid. Then when I closed my eyes I visualized something, it was like it instantly appeared in the form of HH. Visualizing when high on weed isn't like sober visuzliing.....it seemed more lucid. After that ( while eyes were still closed ), I just tried to go to sleep and there was a little box in my field-of-view with moving images....it started to get bigger ..I just observed it, but i can't remember what it was. But i DO know it was just a bunch of random and spontaneous stuff.....AND my eyes was moving around fast as I watched it....so this made me think I was in REM. I'm going to start taking melatonin supplements again and will probally smoke again this weekend. All this makes me realize how UNlucid I am in waking life. Walking around lost in thought Also, if you smoke cannabis make sure you take your time. I think you have to get "really" high for HH to appear..... and once you are this high you might experience anxiety or extreme paranoia. The first time i got HH from weed i was extremely paranoid and scared..almost to the point where I thought i was literally going crazy/ skitzophrenic. You have to breathe and relax and let the visualization commence. The second time was MUCH better...there was still some anxiety/paranoia but nowhere near as much as the first time. Also my tolerance for weed is really low...i can make a $5 of mid-grade last a whole week and some change. If you are a heavy smoker, you may need to smoke a LOT more ( maybe even using hashish )...i don't advice smoking a lot...not like everyday all day. It's going to run up your seratonin levels...melatonin levels and everything else. Every since I had that last experienced...i believe weed helps my ADD..which i didn't think I had until i notice i zone-out a lot while sober..with weed i can pay attention to the outside world more, because it enhances perception. It's funny how we're are trying to induce lucid dreams through something natural like cannabis, while the others are trying to use 9volt batteries, and wires and shit.

[surealization]

Interesting thread, interesting read. I'm a daily toker myself and i must say the times I've gone to bed monged out'a my face i get HH i think (images i cant control racing through my mind) which i love cus it's like watching t.v as you go to sleep Anyways i'm well up for helping with research so will post back shortly. As Katt Williams says, 'It's just a plant. It just grows like that, and if you should so happen to set it on fire....there are some effects' Peace

[passingcloud]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately but the problem is it makes me sleep in too deep which makes it difficult to remember your dreams. but I have read before that people who smoke alot for a long time and then suddenly stop, have a lot of vivid dreams. I figure if you utilize a few simple LD techniques it can be taken advantage of. but of course my problem is i like to toke anyway but at least for me it is more of a honderance than a bonus to achieving lucid dreams. I was just thinking it would be nice if i could turn it into an advantage rather than a disadvantage. But i think there is a loophole in there to make it work. But even from what i've read in this forum, it seems more like you are talking about hypnogogic images. I need to do more research and self experimentations with and I will get back to you. Becuase what I'm thinking of is more like a workable technique. Kind of like waking up early morning staying up for 90 minutes and going back to bed. what i realize is it is all anout being a light sleeper and unfortunately weed has just the opposite effect. However I think there is a way around it. So if anyone has a substantial technique plz let us know otherwise lets burry our heads in the sand and come up with something. You there is this technique the yogis are supposed to use where they don't fall asleep but simply close their eyes and tell themselves they are asleep and it really helps like if you haven't had much sleep and you just sit on a chair and just close your eyes and say "I am asleep" repeatedly. if anyone is interested why don't you take this meditation and just try it in different variations and see what works and plz do share