Thread: Real time distortion

Most people experience distorted time in dreams...but these dreams usually just "feel" like they lasted as long as they did after you wake up...and by reviewing the dream you can see that it was a very short amount of time.



Your perception of time does not always adhere to "world time." If a man with a bass voice reads a script at exactly the same pace as a man with a tenor voice the bass voice sounds like he's reading more slowly. When your body tempature is high your sense of time is slowed. If your body tempature is low then your sense of time will speed up. If your under a red light your sense of time will be slow, and if your under a blue light your sense of time will be fast. Time is often a subjective experience and seems to almost stand still when your intensly longing for something. In that way, for people who are in alot of pain time seems to go slow because they long for relief, conversely when your having fun time seems to fly.
As Einstein pointed out that time flows at different rates for each person. John Brodie of the San Francisco 49er's football team experienced an effect during moments of playing time where he percieved things around him moving lower than usual giving him longer time to observe, plan and react. Practicing meditators also have an advantage for they accustom themselves to relaxed brain states where timelessness can be experienced.
In one experiment, hypnotised subjects were given an imaginary task to preform in there minds...like designing a dress or preparring a complete meal, they were tricked into thinking they had an hour to complete there tasks when in reality they only had 10 seconds. After 10 seconds in the real world they had accurate perfectly detailed designs in there minds, it had really seemed like a full hour to them!

The cool thing about the following technique is that it can be used while your awake, when used in your dreams the effect is amplified.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26148 look at the section "becoming more mindful" because you must be extremely concious in your dream to be able to practise this.

To begin, assume a very relaxed position and achieve a hypnotic/meditative state. http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7245 To initiate progress in time distortion, begin by remembering your intire morning in a succesion of mental flashes, do this often, with practise it will become easier. Now think of a movie you know very well and visualize watching the movie from begining to end in a matter of seconds. Practise these visualizations often and soon you will see how easy they become...(you can bring yourself out of the hypnotic state by counting backwards from 10 to 1 and progressively awaken). Regular meditation will allow you to reach lower brainwave states faster and disort time.

Now try this-- get yourself into a meditative state once more and visualize yourself in a situation of intense longing and anticipation. The more you practise any visualization the more vivid it becomes and the stronger the effect will be...while doing this time in the outside world will feel slowed.

Set a timer for 10 seconds and while in a meditative state count the number of times you can say to yourself in your mind " i am getting better and better at time distortion" once again with practise the number will grow.

It may be useful to give yourself post-hypnotic suggestions "i am getting better and better at distorting time" or whatever feels best for you.


TIME DISTORTION IN DREAMS


Next time your inside a lucid dream place yourself in a hot place like a dessert make it where there is a big red sun above you casting its red light down and recall intensly the feeling of longing for something. See a clock and see it gradually stop and try to actually "feel" time slowing down....remember you must be extremely mindful inside your dream at this time. Again it is pretty useful to give yourself suggestions in the hypnotic state that your dream that night will feel extremely long. While in the time distorted dream keep the feeling of longing and keep active with different things happening slowly to be able to recall them upon awakening, soon you will see that it wasnt just an illusion but it was actually a long time for you. With practise you wont have to feel hot or have the red light or feeling of longing, you can just distort time in a trigered, controlled fashion.

I like it.
This is one of the most predominant subjects in my favorites topics. Time and time dilation and the like.
To give it my full attention, I have to read it when I am not so tired.

Thanks...I'm gonna add alot to it, i was real busy at the time and had to hurry and finish it.

has this worked for you or is it just a theory?

It worked for me and 2 of my friends, its pretty interesting how you can eventualy control your own time perception with these techniques.

The concepts you discuss in your explainations I always do. Even when I was a little kid I could do these tasks at will. I use the concentration and visualization when I draw or do anything creative. Though I've never been able to incorperate it into dreams, I can do it in reality. How effective has it been and how long did it take for you to incorperate it into you'r dreams?

It took me about a week to notice smaller results...steering clear of the common illusion of having lived in your dream for hundreds of years, i had to recall every event slowly when i awoke, at first i would just spend a couple of days in my LDs but within months i was able to do it alot better. These days usualy once a month i'll spend about a year in one dream with 8-10 hours of sleep. but every saturday i'll spend a couple of months in an LD.
Its great because your ability to manipulate time keeps growing...pretty soon i'm going to conduct a test and see how far i can take it in one dream.

But i started doing all of this almost a year ago.

The concept of time distorion alone is fasinating. If you were to dream once every day and became lucid and lived 5 days in that dream in total you would be experiencing 6 life times (reality plus a alternate reality worth 5 normal realities). Facinating, truly amazing ability.

Yeah...that could come in handy for a ton of things, i should start dreaming as long as i can every night...2 weeks last night.

How long was the longest time you have spent in a lucid dream?

2 years ago i felt like i had one that was over 800 years...of course it was nowhere near that long, just an odd feeling dream. But as far as REAL time goes (which is the only thing that matters) is probably a few. . .maybe 5 years. I'm sure i can go alot further now.

I will get ready for it, i'll try it sunday night.

Originally posted by Canon
2 years ago i felt like i had one that was over 800 years...of course it was nowhere near that long, just an odd feeling dream. But as far as REAL time goes (which is the only thing that matters) is probably a few. . .maybe 5 years. I'm sure i can go alot further now.

I will get ready for it, i'll try it sunday night.

Interesting , so what effect does having these dreams that feel like many years have on your well being and sanity . I would imagine that being in a dream for what seemed like so long would send someone mad , and if you really experienced time as if it were that long , what did you do to cope mentally with this ?

To be honest i didnt cope with the supposed "800 year long" dream as well as i thought i would, but i did a few things in my dream to keep a connected feeling to waking life (not sure if it helped that much) and when i woke up i had red rings around my eyelids, i was drowsy, i had a sort of whiteness in my eyesight and i developed a horrible anxiety disorder for a few months. . .i had one delusion where i thought somehow the TV was trying to poison me (which was the only REAL psycotic episode) but was probably induced by stress. The anxiety persisted because i thought i WAS crazy...i thought i was becoming a schizophrenic.

I kind of ashamed at the way i reacted...i think i could cope alot better nowdays. Of course if it REALLY lasted over 800 years theres no doubt that you would become a bit crazy upon awakening.

I'm currently trying to find a way to keep that from happening, if i can ever get to that level.



As far as 5 years goes...its not really that hard, many people through the course of time have done it before i have, just make sure your very good at LDing and to keep your dream as real as possible. Remember that its all actually happening in a short period of time and that when you wake up it will have only been one night that passed. Keep a STRONG connection to the reality outside your dream. Also try to move to that level of time distortion gradually and that your able to wake yourself up from dreams already.

You will still feel weird and probably need a few days to adjust afterwards.

If you are fully lucid, you are in a conscious mindframe. And in my lucid dreams, when I do become lucid the fact base things of reality are there with me.
So you either claim they don't exist. But if that were the case and time dialation accured, it would not be 500 or 800 years. So you should be able to percieve otherwise.
So I do not see how this is possible.
In all the lucid dreams that I have messed with time, the more lucid I was, the more time was consistant. And visa versa. Which to me would say that the more opaque the lucidity, the more potential there is to percieve time incorrectly.

I wasnt lucid in the dream that FELT to be 100's of years, or what some here call "half lucid" the only thing lucid about it was that i knew i was dreaming also it was in a movie type fashion (the only thing making it feel so long)...it happened long before i could control my dreams and was the main thing that got me into it, either way i recall the dream in ignorance and tried everything to keep it from happening again.

And in MY dreams when i distort time it does not become a bit more realistic, in fact the first few time i had to struggle to keep my vision.

Also...what do you mean when you become lucid the fact based things of reality are with you? Even in my lucid dreams i have no ties to reality exept my knowledge that its only a dream, and i have to actually TRY and remember my waking life.


Maybe i should do something about that.

Originally posted by Canon
Also...what do you mean when you become lucid the fact based things of reality are with you? Even in my lucid dreams i have no ties to reality exept my knowledge that its only a dream, and i have to actually TRY and remember my waking life.
Maybe i should do something about that.

To me when I become lucid I am awake in my dream. Therefore I feel no different consciously than I would if I were actually awake. The difference lies in the realm I have to play with, which causes different emotions that I would feel if I were in a wakeful state3. Other than that, I am fully aware, conscious and lucid.

I think a lot of people do not truly realize what lucid is.

obvious, apprehensible, clear, clear-cut, comprehendible, comprehensible, crystal clear, distinct, evident, explicit, fathomable, graspable, intelligible, knowable, limpid, luminous, pellucid, plain, translucent, transparent, transpicuous, unambiguous, unblurred, understandable.

Thats true...i guess there is such a thing as being "half-lucid" only knowing its a dream and being able to control it, but not being yourself intirely in the dream wouldnt count as being fully lucid.



Do you know anything about the man Robert Monroe? I dont know anything about OOBE's but i was reading somewhere a while back that he once had one that was a century long in only 2 hours! If it happened and was only a illusion of time i have no interest...but if it happened and did actually feel to him to be a full 100 years thats something amazing!


Sadly i cant find anything else about it, but i believe that something like that is possible. Hopefully i can experience a dream like that someday if i can find out how.

Originally posted by Canon
Thats true...i guess there is such a thing as being "half-lucid" only knowing its a dream and being able to control it, but not being yourself intirely in the dream wouldnt count as being fully lucid.



Do you know anything about the man Robert Monroe? I dont know anything about OOBE's but i was reading somewhere a while back that he once had one that was a century long in only 2 hours! If it happened and was only a illusion of time i have no interest...but if it happened and did actually feel to him to be a full 100 years thats something amazing!

Robert A. Monroe. Yes, I have read two of his three popular books.
I have read -Ultimate Journey & Far journeys. He also has Journeys out of the Body.

Go take a look at the Monroe institute. He created what is called Hemi-Sync®. I bought a few of the CDS.
I do not want to say what I think of his books, development or anything else.
I would rather you make your own conclusion.
I would love to discuss anything that you will read though

Just don't go crazy & spend all your money!

Thats pretty neat...i didnt know he created hemi-sync.


But thats ok cause right now i'm broke.

Originally posted by Canon
Thats pretty neat...i didnt know he created hemi-sync.
But thats ok cause right now i'm broke.

In the event you do go and dabble into this I personally suggest Holosync. A similar concept, more evolved.

Cool thanks, does it work pretty well?

Originally posted by Canon
Cool thanks, does it work pretty well?

I think that it works very different for different people. So I don't mean to be an ass. I just would rather you go into it with no preconceived ideas of what someone else thinks.
Does that make any sense?

1. nah...your not an ass and 2. LIKE I INTEND TO PAY!

Maybe a couple freebies then i'll see how i feel. More like a sample, if i like it enough i'll pay.

But i have been up to this point a bit against using things like hemi-sync on myself....its just a pride issue.