Thread: A written abstract journal

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I love doing this, I do it in FlashChat all the time. If I'd known this was here... Anyhow, great idea, Howie! I hadn't thought of it as a way to actually get useful information from the subconscious! Now you've got me all excited! Here goes:

A circular room with four corners stares out at me from the fog. Why there is fog continues to concern me greatly. I close my eyes, or think about closing my eyes, but they do not close. Why do little dogs persist at yapping the night away in the realm of the purple clock-sphere? My dad says this is because the cog on the fourth wheel is missing every other rotation, but my mind doesn't comprehend this quite yet. Do you know what day it is in China? It is neither day nor night in the depths of my field's imagination, the frog said to the oversized penguin. Damn, my wrist is REALLY starting to hurt!

And so I quit and edited for spelling. Hmm...

Tap into the bodies being pushed inot the sea the vector condensor has supressed the recall of the inhabitants of the lord who shall be great in moderation to show the disciples the answer to gold melting down into iron .

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Thanks Man of Steel.
I have to laugh to think what others might think to read some of these if they do not know the way it is done.
Hope to see you around.
I think it has been a good exercise upon in a lethargic state for or conscious minds to tap back into our subconscious....to a degree.

I often use this when I can't remember any dream recall from the night.

Man of Steel - Oh ya. Also come back a day later or when you are more cognizant and read it. See what you can pull out of it.

okay I think I'd like to get in on this or learn it. How do you do this? Is this a free form word association lyrical explosion! teach me! inquiring minds want to know

Originally Posted by Man of Steel

I love doing this, I do it in FlashChat all the time. If I'd known this was here... Anyhow, great idea, Howie! I hadn't thought of it as a way to actually get useful information from the subconscious! Now you've got me all excited! Here goes:

A circular room with four corners stares out at me from the fog. Why there is fog continues to concern me greatly. I close my eyes, or think about closing my eyes, but they do not close. Why do little dogs persist at yapping the night away in the realm of the purple clock-sphere? My dad says this is because the cog on the fourth wheel is missing every other rotation, but my mind doesn't comprehend this quite yet. Do you know what day it is in China? It is neither day nor night in the depths of my field's imagination, the frog said to the oversized penguin. Damn, my wrist is REALLY starting to hurt!

And so I quit and edited for spelling. Hmm...

The 'circular room with four corners' I actually saw when I shut my eyes to clear my mind. It could reference the way I keep stress inside too much, the circular room being a never-ending container in which stress is held, and the four corners being bumps along the way, so to speak. The fog is my constant state of not quite having a concrete opinion, or not feeling like I'm able to voice it when I do. This does indeed bother me. Trying to close my eyes but them not closing may be referencing the way I feel unable to change this. 'Little dogs' could mean my sister-in-law's YorkiePoo, which I can't stand (I can't stand my sister-in-law either) and my sister-in-law's favorite color is purple.

My father is known for being overly optimistic, and often making very silly comments, that sometimes get irritating but sometimes make a little sense, if you look at them right. There's been a lot of talk lately about whether China could get along without the U.S.'s business, and how we are in debt to China as a country. Maybe that entered my thoughts somewhere. My imagination is a dusky place, so 'neither day nor night' seems pretty fitting. The frog and the oversized penguin I don't know about. Oversized seems to have something to do with the really high gas prices when I think about it now.

And my wrist DID hurt because I was typing so fast.

...Wow, I actually pulled quite a bit from that! I think you're definitely onto something here, Howie!

Originally Posted by Howie

Tap into the bodies being pushed inot the sea the vector condensor has supressed the recall of the inhabitants of the lord who shall be great in moderation to show the disciples the answer to gold melting down into iron .

Thanks Man of Steel.
I have to laugh to think what others might think to read some of these if they do not know the way it is done.
Hope to see you around.
I think it has been a good exercise upon in a lethargic state for or conscious minds to tap back into our subconscious....to a degree.

I often use this when I can't remember any dream recall from the night.

Man of Steel - Oh ya. Also come back a day later or when you are more cognizant and read it. See what you can pull out of it.

Yeah, I've got some pretty confused responses in chat.

Me and CoLd_BlooDed, Mark75, Amethyst Star and sometimes others do this every now and then, usually in pairs. Sometimes we'll sort of base ours off of the other's, kind of associate them. We can get some pretty crazy stuff going.

It's a bit different than what we're aiming for here, though, I think. I'll go through what I posted yesterday and see if I can make any sense of any of it. See above!

Originally Posted by phoenelai

okay I think I'd like to get in on this or learn it. How do you do this? Is this a free form word association lyrical explosion! teach me! inquiring minds want to know

I think Howie explained it pretty well in his second post in this topic. Go read the first page, you'll see. Basically, you just clear your mind completely, then type out whatever random words or thoughts that enter your head for a certain amount of time, or until you run out of thoughts. Like I'm about to do...

The Sound of Music beckons to me from the boughs of a nearby willow tree, the vacant lot behind floating in shallow space with a flickering of a smattering of brilliant lights as a shining backdrop, this almost certainly means that my fingers are moving far too fast for light to see, and that the foreign dogs that bite my leg will flow effervescently through the Nile in a hurry unbefitting a queen such as yourself. What does this mean in layman's terms? I do not know, but ask the delivery boy. He knows. For sure, surely and sooth the night drags on long from the depths of a bewildered frog's lenient mouth.

I'll stop there. I had a ton of typos in that, from how fast I was typing. And I'm a hunt-and-peck typist. However, I get to typing extremely fast when I do this, as my fingers are trying their best to keep up with my mind.

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my stupid ass dog just began barking and snapped me out of it.

Originally Posted by phoenelai

okay I think I'd like to get in on this or learn it. How do you do this? Is this a free form word association lyrical explosion! teach me! inquiring minds want to know

Originally Posted by Man of Steel

I think Howie explained it pretty well in his second post in this topic. Go read the first page, you'll see. Basically, you just clear your mind completely, then type out whatever random words or thoughts that enter your head for a certain amount of time, or until you run out of thoughts. Like I'm about to do..

WOW - That was two years ago. wholly crap!
The Idea>
To relax and meditate until you have random thoughts in your head. No noises no interruptions. I am not going to focus on any particular thought. I will not think about what I am thinking. Just write!
The draw backs are that I cannot type well and I have to keep my eyes open to do so. (EDIT) DO NOT have eyes open.What I did when I reached the state of consciousness I was after was to just give a blank stare at the monitor and let the thoughts flow.
The outcome>
Hopefully upon looking back at what I wrote I may be able to extract some useful information much like you would from hypnagogic imagery.
I would like to add to that. I think I may have through out the process.
This process works best IMO if you are half awake or half asleep. You can use mediation to get to a similar stage. However when you are very tired or you're just waking up, our subconscious is very close at hand. In the correct environment as I explained above, you will be relaxed and abstract random thoughts will come, as the act of thinking is a natural one. The difference is that these thoughts will be random, abstract obscure and even vague. Compared to that of a waking state where ones mind can function on a different level, thought processing on a different level.
Don't worry about cognitive skills, typing spelling, grammar, what you are saying. Just do. Let the subconscious do the talking. To be too cognizant defeats the purpose. Our waking mind quickly wants to take over the actions of thinking once we let it.

Originally Posted by Man of Steel

Yeah, I've got some pretty confused responses in chat.
Me and CoLd_BlooDed, Mark75, Amethyst Star and sometimes others do this every now and then, usually in pairs. Sometimes we'll sort of base ours off of the other's, kind of associate them. We can get some pretty crazy stuff going.

It's a bit different than what we're aiming for here, though, I think. I'll go through what I posted yesterday and see if I can make any sense of any of it. See above

Wow, I had never thought of bringing more people in on a similar idea. that's cool.
It's interesting reading others replies. You read it and wonder what is really going on inside their head.

Thanks you guys for giving me cause to look back at some of my steps. Not too many members have been involved in this Abstract journal. Therefore I kind of just kept going as if it was a regular dream journal.
Over this period I have gotten to the point that I keep my eyes closed. I think I also may go as far as to put some foam ear plugs in. If you look back you can see how many times that noise has interrupted the flowing thought process.
Maybe no external input is best, noise site or even smell.

Thanks guys this is really cool. One last question if you were to wake up you could type some dream recall fragments but it doesn't have to be all dream recall, what ever pops in the brain too? I can see how this can help with dream recall as well in that respect although.

Amazing!

Originally Posted by phoenelai

Thanks guys this is really cool. One last question if you were to wake up you could type some dream recall fragments but it doesn't have to be all dream recall, what ever pops in the brain too? I can see how this can help with dream recall as well in that respect although.

Amazing!

phoenelai, my renderings are not based around my dreams. Because I often do this first thing in the morning, some of my dream content I do see leak out into my writing.
I see it as exercising your subconscious. Doing this anytime of the day would be worth the while.. I think.

like you say, "I can see how this can help with dream recall."
If our subconscious is exercised it surely could help dream recall.

I am a strong believer in the subconscious. Although I feel it is part of the consciousness as a whole, I feel it works on it's own level and sometimes on its own accord.
I feel that the subconscious is at work with many things in our daily lives while fully awake. Recognizing when it has an influence can be very strong. At the same time not impeding it's process may be just as paramount.

Originally Posted by Howie

phoenelai, my renderings are not based around my dreams. Because I often do this first thing in the morning, some of my dream content I do see leak out into my writing.
I see it as exercising your subconscious. Doing this anytime of the day would be worth the while.. I think.

like you say, "I can see how this can help with dream recall."
If our subconscious is exercised it surely could help dream recall.

I am a strong believer in the subconscious. Although I feel it is part of the consciousness as a whole, I feel it works on it's own level and sometimes on its own accord.
I feel that the subconscious is at work with many things in our daily lives while fully awake. Recognizing when it has an influence can be very strong. At the same time not impeding it's process may be just as paramount.

Thanks Howie, although Dreamviews has many great things to offer it's not too often I find something new and to say "interesting". This is no offense to anyone throwing out new methods etc, everyone sharing it's a great thing but I feel some of them are just rehashed or tweaked a bit different and given a new name etc.

And this idea is not a lucid induction technique per say but I agree with you when it comes to the subconscious. I mean look at all the different spirituality methods that deal with the subconscious. Even just psychology itself, there's allot to do with subconscious training. It has a big part of us as human beings. Obviously dreams have quite a bit to do with the subconscious. I think this could open many new doors.

Any way with that being said, I will start my own abstract journal; and thanks again for posting here at DV.

Cool, I'm glad you are starting your own abstract journal. Over all I feel this journal has been more advantageous than my dream journal. It has not helped with regards to recall but it is not really meant for that purpose.

One reason I love lucid dreaming is because you are consciously viewing the subconscious in action.
When someone is so worried about taking control over their lucid dreams they are in one sense taking that away. You consciously make your own actions instead of navigating through a great experience that is right in front of our eyes. We as people are sometimes so fixated on control that we loose sight of other things.
Anyways thanks for your input and happy times mingling with your subconscious!

Originally Posted by Howie

Cool, I'm glad you are starting your own abstract journal. Over all I feel this journal has been more advantageous than my dream journal. It has not helped with regards to recall but it is not really meant for that purpose.

One reason I love lucid dreaming is because you are consciously viewing the subconscious in action.
When someone is so worried about taking control over their lucid dreams they are in one sense taking that away. You consciously make your own actions instead of navigating through a great experience that is right in front of our eyes. We as people are sometimes so fixated on control that we loose sight of other things.
Anyways thanks for your input and happy times mingling with your subconscious!

Thanks agreed. I think we do get wrapped up into having them. I think dreams in general are fun as well. I think this is the right step into many other things. I'll be having lots of fun with this!!!

Originally Posted by Howie

WOW - That was two years ago. wholly crap!
The Idea>
To relax and meditate until you have random thoughts in your head. No noises no interruptions. I am not going to focus on any particular thought. I will not think about what I am thinking. Just write!
The draw backs are that I cannot type well and I have to keep my eyes open to do so. (EDIT) DO NOT have eyes open.What I did when I reached the state of consciousness I was after was to just give a blank stare at the monitor and let the thoughts flow.
The outcome>
Hopefully upon looking back at what I wrote I may be able to extract some useful information much like you would from hypnagogic imagery.
I would like to add to that. I think I may have through out the process.
This process works best IMO if you are half awake or half asleep. You can use mediation to get to a similar stage. However when you are very tired or you're just waking up, our subconscious is very close at hand. In the correct environment as I explained above, you will be relaxed and abstract random thoughts will come, as the act of thinking is a natural one. The difference is that these thoughts will be random, abstract obscure and even vague. Compared to that of a waking state where ones mind can function on a different level, thought processing on a different level.
Don't worry about cognitive skills, typing spelling, grammar, what you are saying. Just do. Let the subconscious do the talking. To be too cognizant defeats the purpose. Our waking mind quickly wants to take over the actions of thinking once we let it.




Wow, I had never thought of bringing more people in on a similar idea. that's cool.
It's interesting reading others replies. You read it and wonder what is really going on inside their head.

Thanks you guys for giving me cause to look back at some of my steps. Not too many members have been involved in this Abstract journal. Therefore I kind of just kept going as if it was a regular dream journal.
Over this period I have gotten to the point that I keep my eyes closed. I think I also may go as far as to put some foam ear plugs in. If you look back you can see how many times that noise has interrupted the flowing thought process.
Maybe no external input is best, noise site or even smell.

Lots of great points there, Howie. I've noticed a lot of times when I'm so sleepy I'm half-dead, I get almost high, and this subconscious rambling just pours out. Of course at that point I find it absolutely hilarious, being sleep-deprived.

Maybe we could set up a time to get in IRC chat with a few interested members and experiment with this? Maybe kinda go back and forth, sort of feeding off of one another? I think that could be a very productive activity. It wouldn't be under quite the meditative conditions we're striving for here, but the added interaction could be beneficial I believe. Thoughts on this?

Stints of brilliance flutter along the highway to encounter a car the destructive force of nature has overlooked the geogrid set in place to encounter the weight of the earths storm to prevent a catastrophic anomaly to bear arms.

Originally Posted by Man of Steel

Maybe we could set up a time to get in IRC chat with a few interested members and experiment with this? Maybe kinda go back and forth, sort of feeding off of one another? I think that could be a very productive activity. It wouldn't be under quite the meditative conditions we're striving for here, but the added interaction could be beneficial I believe. Thoughts on this?

I would think that such random thoughts bouncing around would be very interesting. With more people the more random it would become. It would be excellent if to see how we would react as we have to decipher someone else's words and then still try to remain in that state of awareness.

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what am I doing before 5 am.

I yet to do one upon awakening. Do you find them to come out way different than say during the day or evening? Different thoughts, pictures or emotions?

curious

Originally Posted by Howie

I would think that such random thoughts bouncing around would be very interesting. With more people the more random it would become. It would be excellent if to see how we would react as we have to decipher someone else's words and then still try to remain in that state of awareness.

Exactly! Perhaps we should each PM a couple people to find out when a good time would be to try this?

Originally Posted by phoenelai

I yet to do one upon awakening. Do you find them to come out way different than say during the day or evening? Different thoughts, pictures or emotions?

curious

I do find them to be much funnier and more senseless (as in it's harder to extract useful information from) when I'm really, really tired. If I'm literally about to pass out from exhaustion, it comes really easily, and often involves less repetition.

The majority of my "abstract ravings" is somewhat forced, but I think that I could let it all go. My mind has a tendency to get fixated on a particular word or object, and the writer in me steps in and kicks my thoughts in a different direction. My mind is a 5-way intersection traffic controller rather than a river.

Floating aimlessly across molten rivers of plastic wrappers and discs over the picture of parents enjoying sweet white cookies of seventeen pills each. Flailing about, my headphones rocked the red light behind my eyelids across the hammock and led me to the lamp post over the eastern sun.

(Hmm... that's a lot less typing for the time I put into it... meh.) I'd be in to participating

It is hard isn't it ? -To not get fixated on one thought or another.

Glad to hear you're in, Ames!

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I'll see what I can get out of that tomorrow.

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