Originally Posted by Howie
When your thought processes have become obstructed have you been able to break free of that? If you can break free of this "bogged down" way of thinking it may become easier over time.
What is being found is that if the process is started , or starts itself for all intents and purposes, and the "i" obstruction enters in and disrupts it, then there is a good chance that by clearing the mind and refocusing on just whats arising "i" can get back into "the groove" and continue. Such is becomeing more so all the time with practice
However, in many cases, when this refocusing on the "i" occurs, what has been arising to be written, is already finished, or done being conveyed. This in itself seems to be saying something.
Thought is natural. It is natural ongoing process that is relevant because it is there. It may not necessarily have relevance until it is put into context. So this free way off writing may give you an approach to write down your thoughts in a manor that lets your subconscious work freely and you could then go back and tweak those thoughts more analytically.. maybe?
It seems to me what you have been writing in the R & S Forum has a lot of subtenancy, however it is vague to most of us but probably not to you. It could be no other way in that form. But you could take from that the unobstructed thoughts and then convey them more concisely. That is if you find it it something to convey.
Here is an interesting observation. I find that this process , with "me" , seems to have its beginnings in either a question that arises in the back of the mind, or with a question of another. Sometimes, it starts when "i" am simply in meditation over my own inner perceptions, perceptions which usually are not involving words, but visualizations. From there the words to be written just begin to flow. The sooner I write them down the easier it is to mainain the presence of the moment and not get in the way of the words arising. Usually when I wait a few minutes, what was arising is lost.
On rare occasion, i have gone back and explained what was written. i seldom do this though. For me, and a few others, what is said is quite clear in the metaphorical format presented. No tweaking needed.
Most of the time when i explain in terms more familiar to those not seeing anything in it to begin with, all that ensues is argumentative discussion. Those others seem to be pushed farther away from understanding than they otherwise would have been if no explanation were given.
This is what "my intuition" is telling me anyhow.
Some of the stuff I have written in this journal has, after rereading it just seemed like random thoughts. That or I just had not been able to extract anything from it at the time. The opposite of that would be the post about bias. After clearing my head and reading that over it seemed very clear what my thoughts were conveying. Enough so that I wanted to make a post about it.
That is interesting in how such presents itself to you and how it presents itself to me. There doesnt seem to be anything truly random in what comes to me, there always seem to be an initial meaning to it. However, upon re-reading what is written, i sometimes find multiple layers of meaning embedded within the writing. There seems to be depth beyond what started, or prompted the writing. Depth notiiced when analyzed with the conscious mind.
I think what you and i are experiencing is the same thing, yet it is interesting in the differences that arise in the specifics of how each of us works with what shows up, and what form that which shows up takes, as in its initial arrangement.
The main difference seem in that what you are seeing arise to you is truly random thoughts, and i am seeing thoughts that have a catalyst.
Do you think you could try and open your meditation to a catalyst of sorts? I mean, once your mind is cleared, maintain that clarity and then let a question brush over the mind, and see if anything arises to that question, And then see if that which arises makes any sense in relation to that question.
In your efforts, are you trying to convey any particular thing or are you just trying to find an unobstructed way of thought? ~ OR something else.
I do not really have an agenda as to conveying anything in particular. I seem to be moving from one point to another without doing anything but following the flow itself.
I have been experimenting with letting go of the "i" sense, the ego self, if that says anything. To me, "i" , "me" , mine" are all obstructions to a level of clarity which transcends the mind. Such is reaching past knowledge into pure awareness. Such an endeavor itself seems to be able to be likened to the same process of this writing we are discussing. It is all quite interesting, and getting more interesting all the time.
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