Thread: 8 Hour Lucidity - Need Researchers

Originally Posted by AngelZlayer

Last night I layed completely still for almost 2 hours without SP, then I gave up.

Do I just need more practise for it to work? 2 hours is quite a pain in the ass.

You only get SP during a REM period, so in the meantime you will notice your body has fallen asleep (in other words, SP isn't an indicator that your body is asleep, rather it is an indicator your body is asleep and in REM).

I personally wouldn't seriously look at this. I have attempted it three times, each time I managed to keep my mind awake for around two hours after my body had fallen asleep, and each time, I ended up falling into sleep - it seems your mind and body put up quite a fight when this happens, and it takes extreme willpower to keep your mind awake for so long.

I also noticed mental fatigue each day after attempting this. I honestly don't think this is worth it.

Originally Posted by AngelZlayer

Last night I layed completely still for almost 2 hours without SP, then I gave up.

Do I just need more practise for it to work? 2 hours is quite a pain in the ass.

Originally Posted by detroitLions1970

You only get SP during a REM period, so in the meantime you will notice your body has fallen asleep (in other words, SP isn't an indicator that your body is asleep, rather it is an indicator your body is asleep and in REM).

I personally wouldn't seriously look at this. I have attempted it three times, each time I managed to keep my mind awake for around two hours after my body had fallen asleep, and each time, I ended up falling into sleep - it seems your mind and body put up quite a fight when this happens, and it takes extreme willpower to keep your mind awake for so long.

I also noticed mental fatigue each day after attempting this. I honestly don't think this is worth it.

Ugh, Ur doin it RONG!!!1

If you go through 2 hours of sleep without REM, it means that you WILDed in the very beginning of the night, before you had actually slept at all. WILD is intended to be perfomed when you wake up in the middle of the night. Even though you woke up, your body is ready to recontinue it's sleep cycle uninterupted. So if you've already had 8 hours of sleep, the longest this could possibly happen is around 15-20 minutes.
But wait, there's more! The micro awakenings that happen in the middle of the night happen right before you transition into your next REM phase, so as long as you wake up naturally (Not from an alarm), you won't have to wait at all before you go into REM (Once you're asleep). So, if you WILDed correctly, you were NOT asleep for two hours without REM. Maybe it was your imagination. That's the power of autosuggestion for you.

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

Ugh, Ur doin it RONG!!!1

If you go through 2 hours of sleep without REM, it means that you WILDed in the very beginning of the night, before you had actually slept at all. WILD is intended to be perfomed when you wake up in the middle of the night. Even though you woke up, your body is ready to recontinue it's sleep cycle uninterupted. So if you've already had 8 hours of sleep, the longest this could possibly happen is around 15-20 minutes.
But wait, there's more! The micro awakenings that happen in the middle of the night happen right before you transition into your next REM phase, so as long as you wake up naturally (Not from an alarm), you won't have to wait at all before you go into REM (Once you're asleep). So, if you WILDed correctly, you were NOT asleep for two hours without REM. Maybe it was your imagination. That's the power of autosuggestion for you.

No, no. The night my body was asleep for two hours, I did hit REM (I'd say about 1 and a half hours in?). However, I got too excited and got an adrenaline hit, so the dream faded as it was being formed... My body woke up, and I had to start again. About half an hour after my body went to sleep for the second time, my mind fell asleep because I lost focus for a couple of minutes.

I'm telling you, my body was definatly fell asleep, I felt everything accompanied with a successful WILD - and as I said, almost entered a dream.

Originally Posted by detroitLions1970

No, no. The night my body was asleep for two hours, I did hit REM (I'd say about 1 and a half hours in?). However, I got too excited and got an adrenaline hit, so the dream faded as it was being formed... My body woke up, and I had to start again. About half an hour after my body went to sleep for the second time, my mind fell asleep because I lost focus for a couple of minutes.

I'm telling you, my body was definatly fell asleep, I felt everything accompanied with a successful WILD - and as I said, almost entered a dream.

It still sounds like you were doing this before you went to sleep for the first time that night. And if you lost your dream as it was just starting to form, it wouldn't stop the entire freaking REM cycle. Unless of course, you did WILD right when you went to bed, considering the first REM cycle is only 5 to 10 minutes long.

In any case, you're either BSing me... >_> ....or you simply did something wrong. There's nothing wrong with that, because now you know.

I keep trying , not sure if you look at this though. I am kind of close, I get some intense HI which I need to learn not to freak me out.

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

If you go through 2 hours of sleep without REM, it means that you WILDed in the very beginning of the night, before you had actually slept at all.

Isn't the whole point of this experiment to keep your mind awake through the whole sleep process?

When doing a WBTB, I layed there for 40 minutes before giving up. If I do a WBTB again, should 2 hours give results this time?

Originally Posted by Mini Man56

It still sounds like you were doing this before you went to sleep for the first time that night. And if you lost your dream as it was just starting to form, it wouldn't stop the entire freaking REM cycle. Unless of course, you did WILD right when you went to bed, considering the first REM cycle is only 5 to 10 minutes long.

In any case, you're either BSing me... >_> ....or you simply did something wrong. There's nothing wrong with that, because now you know.

Than I must have done something wrong when I went back to bed - Why didn't I remember that about REM cycles? Could have saved me typing my last post . I'll try again tonight, maybe I'll be able to get it right if I keep a calm, headstrong mindset.

I'll keep you updated.

Hey Guys.

Good to see this thread is still active, no thanks to me.

I'm gonna start posting again. Ive started to have random WILDs again, and I want to start this again. I find that when i try this, even if i fail, I end up having a lucid later on in the night.

Well, I found out something interesting. Riding home from school today, I kept falling asleep. I was aware I was asleep, but every time there was some kind of image. It wasn't quite hypnagogic, and there was no sleep paralysis. However, during one of the times, there was some puzzle or some insane question I was trying to figure out. I think it had something to do with some kind of brown puzzle board. It had leather and wood. There were wooden cubes on it, and I had to turn them all just right.


What do you think?

Originally Posted by oniman7

Well, I found out something interesting. Riding home from school today, I kept falling asleep. I was aware I was asleep, but every time there was some kind of image. It wasn't quite hypnagogic, and there was no sleep paralysis. However, during one of the times, there was some puzzle or some insane question I was trying to figure out. I think it had something to do with some kind of brown puzzle board. It had leather and wood. There were wooden cubes on it, and I had to turn them all just right.


What do you think?

Sounds like some kind of trance. Probably started from hard focus, which is how we loose consciousness every night (or so i believe)
Focus makes you loose consciousness, awareness lets you keep it. Hmm.

Tell me more about trances, if you will.

Trance denotes a variety of processes, techniques, modalities and states of mind, awareness and consciousness. Trance states may occur involuntarily and unbidden.

In my experience, a trance is when you become so focused on one thing, for example, listening to music/watching TV, that you aren't aware of other things - such as surroundings.
Another trance might be what gamers call being "In the zone" - where they are so focused on an objective within a game, that their game play skill becomes much greater. Who knows?

I would call any focus in an activity, where certain awareness is lost - a trance. So, focusing on your thoughts as you fall asleep would make you forget about everything else and enter a 'trance' and so, lose consciousness.

I would say awareness is something else completely, it isn't about focusing or not focusing.

Originally Posted by Dizko

Trance denotes a variety of processes, techniques, modalities and states of mind, awareness and consciousness. Trance states may occur involuntarily and unbidden.

In my experience, a trance is when you become so focused on one thing, for example, listening to music/watching TV, that you aren't aware of other things - such as surroundings.
Another trance might be what gamers call being "In the zone" - where they are so focused on an objective within a game, that their game play skill becomes much greater. Who knows?

I would call any focus in an activity, where certain awareness is lost - a trance. So, focusing on your thoughts as you fall asleep would make you forget about everything else and enter a 'trance' and so, lose consciousness.

I would say awareness is something else completely, it isn't about focusing or not focusing.

Ooh, I know what you're talking about with the whole gaming thing. I remember my first time through Metroid Prime, maybe five years ago, how I would become so absorbed that everything outside the screen was, like, gone. Like I was the main character, seeing trough their eyes. I would forget everything that wasn't metroid untill someone talked to me.

So I guess that technically falls under your definition of a trance, but I dunno if that's how I would describe it.