Thread: 8 Hour Lucidity - Need Researchers

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[Dizko] 4:49 pm: So staying concious through all stages of sleep is easy?
[ClouD] 4:50 pm: sleeping sleeping
[] 4:50 pm: i don't know about stages
[] 4:50 pm: i just know about aware
[] 4:50 pm: induction relies on awareness
[] 4:51 pm: well IS awareness
[] 4:51 pm: forget all steps and whatnot
[] 4:51 pm: you have to be lucid NOW
[] 4:51 pm: to be lucid later.
[] 4:52 pm: awareness is only right now
[] 4:52 pm: so
[] 4:52 pm: be without interpretation
[] 4:52 pm: don't divide or infer
[] 4:52 pm: at all
[] 4:53 pm: and just go on further into innocence in that you have no idea
[] 4:53 pm: of anything
[] 4:53 pm: without past ideas
[] 4:53 pm: or future ambitions

Thanks ClouD

Originally Posted by oniman7

I used to do this almost every day for almost an hour. I used to have a bus that took me to school, and I would sleep on the bus. ( it was, indeed, almost an hour and a half getting to school ). I would go to sleep and be perfectly aware of myself and everything around me. I could hear and think, but I was asleep ( or maybe I achieved a high form of meditation on accident ). Either way, it was very cool and I could wake myself out of it in less than a second. The only thing was, I always woke up very tired and cold ( yes cold, felt like somebody put ice in my veins ).

I do that now. lol

Good luck in your quest, Dizko. :]

How do you do it?

Originally Posted by oniman7

How do you do it?

I asked a very similar question before. Read the thread.

I was talking to the dreaming wolfess, as I was interested in the conversation we had ( more, the paragraph he/she quoted ).

I had a LD an hour after falling asleep. I went to DEILD but could not.

yo Dizko, i read this whole thread so far and just wanted to say that your perception on the difference of focus and awareness is a good one and will help me.


thank you

Okay, sorry I didn't reply sooner, Oniman. I was going to about 5 hours ago but got interrupted. x__x XD

Originally Posted by oniman7

How do you do it?

It's really something I've been able to do for a long time (since last year) because I'm the first stop in the morning. So, what I do, is I get on the bus, and, pretty simply, prop up my bookbag/backpack in front of me, and pretty much lean on it... like it's a pillow. :] Then I close my eyes and lay still. Soon enough, I'm in this weird state. It's sort of like sleep, but I don't see or hear anything. However, I can snap out of it within a second. Usually, I "wake up" (really, like you said, higher meditation) and it's always right before I get to school. It's really odd. Only once (and I do this the entire year) have I not woken up when we pulled into the intersection before school. Even then, I can slip back into it with ease, knowing that I'll reawaken when we get to the school.

As you mentioned, I wake up cold, and sometimes sore.

This sounds exactly like what I would do, down to waking up outside my school. The only difference is that I would be able to hear what was going on around me, and understand it. If somebody were to ask me a complex question, I could think about it, wake up and answer them. Sometimes have a conversation, sometimes just answer them. As long as I didn't really move, I could go right back into the same state. Somebody should look into this. One of the reasons I miss having a bus.... Why they gotta take buses from gifted kids? ( Gifted as in above 130 IQ, not special needs. )

Originally Posted by oniman7

This sounds exactly like what I would do, down to waking up outside my school. The only difference is that I would be able to hear what was going on around me, and understand it. If somebody were to ask me a complex question, I could think about it, wake up and answer them. Sometimes have a conversation, sometimes just answer them. As long as I didn't really move, I could go right back into the same state. Somebody should look into this. One of the reasons I miss having a bus.... Why they gotta take buses from gifted kids? ( Gifted as in above 130 IQ, not special needs. )

I don't know if I could hear people, but I know that I sort of slip away for awhile. Nobody talks to me on the bus (all of the seats are like, one person each). So, yeah. :] I'd like to see if I could one time.

Why would you have to have a bus to conduct this state? Try it sitting at the table or something

Well, you could do it anywhere theoretically. I just think that the noisy environment of the bus helps. Not to mention, your nrain becomes more aware in places you aren't familiar with.

Qwik Update;
Finding myself aware in sleep paralysis very often now. Ive gotten good at making dreams form from this state.

Well, I have some interesting news. I have been aware several times during my sleep, but I have very vague recall of them. For instance, the other night, I had a dream where people kept walking by me. I would move my leg whenever somebody bumped into me. I realized " Hey! my leg moves when somebody walked past me. I probably don't want to walk into them ". I was really groggy though. It was like an anesthetic induced sleep almost.

Since school started again I haven't had much time to try this. However, the increased awareness is helping. I had my first LD since before I started school again. Also a couple nights ago when I was trying this I got to the onset of SP again.

Well, I recently have been riding a bus home after school every other Tuesday, because I stay for after school activities. It just occurred to me the other day ( after doing it ) that I should try this again. I succeeded once again. I fell asleep, and woke up right outside my neighborhood. I went to sleep again, and could hear people talking around me.

Oddly enough, I've found that if I don't sleep on the bus in the morning, I usually end up exhausted and sleeping on the way back home...! It's kind of weird. But I do still wake up. XD

yeah, I think it's too possible, I Wilded/Dilded at 10:45 and at 3.45....
so, it's like you can wild whenever you like

Originally Posted by Mariano

yeah, I think it's too possible, I Wilded/Dilded at 10:45 and at 3.45....
so, it's like you can wild whenever you like

PM? AM? when do you go to sleep?

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

PM? AM? when do you go to sleep?

10.45 am and 3.20 pm

This seems like it would work, but... everybody's somewhat lost interest in it. Anybody made new progress? I have something interesting to report, but it's not quite along this... theme. It does, however, have a little bit to do with awareness. I was taking the equivalent of the SAT, and I finished 30 minutes early. I started to drift off to sleep. I knew this was a dream, but I wasn't asleep enough to control it. I had a very vague dream in which there were three girls around me. We were in a warehouse, planning some kind of robbery. Two of them started to fight. I reached out and grabbed one of their fists. I wasn't fully asleep, so I did the action in real life and almost fell out of my seat. I can only imagine what it must have looked like.

Keep us updated! I'm very eager to see if you are able to do it.

Something just occurred to me that could be a possible problem. The human brain has these sleep cycles for a reason. And a by-product of these sleep cycles is the loss of consciousness. I have to wonder if this would make it impossible to be lucid through these 8 hours, or if there would be any bad side effects from achieving it. The only research I'm really able to do are small scale tests; achieving lucidity the second I fall asleep. We need another volunteer if we want to test this out.

I just had a thought. Why do this, when only so much of the night is spent in REM? I'm fairly sure this would be possible from a WILD point of view (ie: staying aware the whole time). I mean, you're body is asleep, and your mind awake - and you only slip into a dream in REM.

What I'm saying is, what can you actually do (other than think) for the better part of 5 hours (rough guess) you will be concious staring at the back of your eyelids?

EDIT: Haha, seems I just answered that question myself. Chain WILDs!
EDIT EDIT: I think I'll (attempt) to test this method over the next week or so. Maybe some music all night will keep my mind company...