Thread: The 90 Days WILD Project

Originally Posted by edge0125

Congrats bro

Thanks Edge !

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Yeah, we're as different as night and day. I have a friend in one of my college classes who fell asleep in class today for about 30 minutes. That was until he snored himself awake. I wish i had that problem with my WILD attempts. I would rather fail and get some sleep than fail and lay there for an hour or more.

Haha, yeah I find it easy to sleep in class ^.^
But I, too, have suffered from insomnia, it SUCKS, I feel your pain

@AndresLD
Thanks for answers you don't even know how big help it is.

So perfect attempt should look somewhat like this:
-Wake up after at least 5 hours of sleep(more is better)
-Awaken yourself a bit but just barely(right?)
-Don't think too much(cause it ruins the attempt)
I think the reason why focus is lost is because of thoughts they lead to failure.
That is why i'm trying now to master NOT thinking
-wait for the dream to form and don't get too excited
I have no idea how to stay calm. When i get SP or hypnagogia my heart starts beating faster and i almost can't control it. It's really annoying

@dark_grimmjow
Have you tried 61 point relaxation?
It really works great IF you don't think about something else
@edit

Originally Posted by Seeker

If you find that you have difficulty becoming relaxed enough to continue, try one or more of the following actions:

* When the alarm goes off, just lay in bed in the dark with your eyes open
When you go to empty your bladder, keep the lights off
Think of calm and relaxing things
Think of how nice your bed feels
When the alarm goes off, just lay in bed in the dark with your eyes closed, do not allow yourself to awaken too much.
Lie there and imagine or daydream of a dream landscape you would like to visit. Do this calmly, try to be observant without allowing your conscious mind to engage fully.
This method combines this phase with the relaxation phase and will result in some cases in your passing directly into the transitional phase.

Forgot to post, I havn't had time to do anything for the last week. Going to continue building Dream Recall and then start again. Cya.

I have no idea how to stay calm. When i get SP or hypnagogia my heart starts beating faster and i almost can't control it. It's really annoying

I subscribe to that.

Day: 14

Woke up, did 30 pushups and 30 situps. After I had suprised myself with epic strength I went back to bed, feeling fairly alert. I was almost able to complete the 61-point technique. Then I have no idea what happened. Oh, right, I probably fell asleep. Tonight I shall do 40 pushups and 40 situps. Peace.

Originally Posted by Miomek

@dark_grimmjow
Have you tried 61 point relaxation?
It really works great IF you don't think about something else

I have tried it, but not all 61 points, just about 30 or so. I should probably give it a go. Thanks Miomek! If i WILD tonight, and feel like i can't go to sleep; i'll try the 61 point technique and then try WILD again. That is if i haven't lost too much sleep already. Either way, i'm going to fit the 61 point technique in either before i WILD or if it looks like i'm going to fail WILD because i'm too awake. Maybe i'll throw in some reverse blinking too.

Day 56:

I failed, but i failed a little better. I don't think that the NSSWILD is for me; just because if i have to think about something too much, i'm bound to stay awake. I'm going to revert back to Yoshi's WILD, because i've had more success with it or a variation of it. Anyway, like i said i did fail, but this time i didn't lay there and lose an hour of sleep. I woke up naturally after about 6 hours of sleep. Went to the bathroom, with my eyes closed this time (only cracking them enough to see when i had to). I went back to bed and started to try WILD. I fell asleep unaware. I need to find the balance of awake and sleepy to be successful here. I'm going to try the same method tonight, only i'm going to try breath counting or just noticing my breathing. I've had success that way before, so i guess that's what i should use. I'm excited about trying again tonight, because i'll be able to sleep in later in the morning.

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Day 2:

I went to sleep sometime after 11p.m. I set my alarm for 4 and a half hours later. It woke me up at 3:30a.m. I tried to WILD for about an hour. I only made it to sp. I was lying on my right side when sp hit me. It felt like my knees were lifting into the air, but then it faded away. I fell asleep and woke up at about 5:20 a.m. And tried again this time i WILDed successfully. When i got into the dream, i couldn't open my eyes because when i did; the dream was blurry (like my eyes were watery) and they were really heavy too. I sat up in the bed and rubbed my hands together to stabilize the dream. Eventually i was able to get out of my bed. My walking was a little impaired at first, but it stabilized eventually.

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Day 10:

Success!

I went to bed at about 11 last night. I let my body wake up naturally which was at about 2:30 a.m. I tried to WILD, but fell asleep. I woke up again naturally at about 5:30 a.m. I tried WILD again. I was so sleepy that i didn't think i would be able to stay aware, but i tried to use it to my advantage. I started counting my breaths and the next thing i know; i can't feel my body. I can't remember everything about the about the dream, because in the process of this WILD project; i've been afraid to record dreams in the middle of the night because i might wake up too much. The WILD wasn't as vivid as i would have liked, but at least it was a WILD. I wonder if me being so sleepy caused it to be less vivid. I'll try the same thing again tonight.

Successful nights: 2 out of 10

I've gone back to the days that i was successful to see if i could find a pattern or something that remained the same. I think i found a few things. On both day 2 and 10, i failed a WILD attempt before i succeeded in one. I don't think that's relevant, but it might be. Also, those WILD attempts were at or before 4 and a half hours of sleep. Day 2 was after 4 and a half hours and Day 10 was after 3 and a half hours. I should have been more descriptive on the successful days because i can't remember if i stayed in bed or got up to go to the bathroom before i had the successful WILD's. But using the graph that jarrhead posted:



I noticed where i got the successful WILD's. They were both in the 4th REM cycle around the half-way point in the cycle. This seems to be the best time for me to attempt WILD. If i can go to sleep at about 11 p.m., then try WILD at about 5:30 a.m., i should have a better chance for success. This is about 6 and a half hours after first going to sleep. I may want to try after 6 hours or 6 hours and ten minutes, so that it will be closer to the beginning of the 4th REM cycle. That way, the ld has the potential to be longer. I know that i'm only drawing information from two successful days, which may not be accurate from a scientific method stand point, but i have to work with what i have. I'm going to try to stick to what has been successful before. This should prove to increase my success rate. I encourage everybody to go back to their successful nights and see if you can spot a pattern. Good luck everybody!

Day 15:

I Woke up after 5,5 hours of sleep. Did 40 pushups and 40 situps. Then I went back to bed 6 minutes after awak ening. I did the 61-point relaxation technique (managed to complete it) and felt very relaxed. I laid there for a while, then looked at the time. 40 min had passed already. I went to my side and slept in. Then I had a MILD not very long into the dream which resulted in a 1 hour long lucid featuring me doing telekinesis, flying and walking through walls!!!

Day 57:

I failed. I went to bed at 11:20 p.m., but i didn't fall asleep til' some time after 12:30 a.m. I couldn't make my mind shut up . Because i didn't get to sleep in time, when i went to do WILD i tried in a non-REM period. So i failed. I may have to adjust the time that i try WILD. Instead, of the 4th REM period, i should do it during the 3rd. I would prefer the later REM cycles, because they are supposed to be more vivid, but i'll take what i can get.

Along with the 61-point relaxation technique, does anybody know any technique or something that i could try to get my mind to stop running when it's time to go to sleep? When i first go to sleep, my mind is usually going a hundred mph. Just when i get it under control, another thought pops up and it just snowballs from there. Anyway, if anyone has a technique that helps relax and clear the mind, please let me know; it would be greatly appreciated.

Day 59: 3.17.10: Afternoon attempt. Close, but no cigar.
Day 60: 3.18.10: 2 attempts during the morning after a 5.5 hour WBTB. Utilized my motor functions to get myself awake, which worked well, but I didn't keep myself focused, and fell asleep after very little imagery.

Originally Posted by AndresLD

@BigFan: I'm not sure about REM periods, I know that they are different for everyone, but that everyone has from 4 to 6 REM periods per night (They get longer towards the end of your sleep). Your problem might have to do with your REM periods, I believe it is better to wake up at the very beggining, or during one of your REM periods (definitely not at the end of it, or close to the end of it). Your problem (like my problem, and mostl people's problem) might also be that you are not awake enough, so you actually fall asleep before SP sets in (That's why I do 30 push ups before going back to bed). To find out when your REM period is: write the time you go to bed (just so you don't forget it), drink a LOT of water before going to bed. At the end of each REM period we wake up, but most of the time we just fall asleep again without noticing. Since you have drank a lot of fluid, when you wake up from a REM cycle, you will become aware, from the urge you have to go to the bathroom. Look at the clock, and your REM might have started 10 to 25 minutes before that. Then the next morning you put your alarm at the time you suspected you REM cycle started.

My fault, I made an error. What I meant to say is that based on my attempts, it seems that waking up 5hr after falling asleep, doesn't mean that I will get into SP because it's possible that I am waking up at the end of a REM period, so, in order to get into a REM period, I should probably try WILDing 5.5hr into my sleep, so, that I can have a better chance of success and a longer LD if successful. Thanks for the reply BTW

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Day 57:

I failed. I went to bed at 11:20 p.m., but i didn't fall asleep til' some time after 12:30 a.m. I couldn't make my mind shut up . Because i didn't get to sleep in time, when i went to do WILD i tried in a non-REM period. So i failed. I may have to adjust the time that i try WILD. Instead, of the 4th REM period, i should do it during the 3rd. I would prefer the later REM cycles, because they are supposed to be more vivid, but i'll take what i can get.

Along with the 61-point relaxation technique, does anybody know any technique or something that i could try to get my mind to stop running when it's time to go to sleep? When i first go to sleep, my mind is usually going a hundred mph. Just when i get it under control, another thought pops up and it just snowballs from there. Anyway, if anyone has a technique that helps relax and clear the mind, please let me know; it would be greatly appreciated.

hmm, from what I've read, this technique should help:
a. Imagine the number 1 in your mind, so, the number in white text with a black background.
b. Repeat for 2 to 10.
c. If and only if you are interrupted by any thoughts, then you should go back to 1 and try again. Keep doing this until you reach 10 uninterrupted, it should help clear your mind.

Another technique:
- You could try to write down all your problems, thoughts, etc.... on a piece of paper in an attempt to quiet your mind for sleep. Not sure how well this works, but, MasterMind if I'm not mistaken, said that he did this and he remembered 4 dreams when he woke up in the morning as if they were actual experiences IRL.

BTW, I would try and stick with the later ones, not only will you get a longer LD but you have a much better chance of WILDing since the REM periods are closer together in comparison to when you first go to sleep. I would try 5.5hr in because the next REM period according to a graph I saw a while back starts at around 5:45 or so. Good Luck

Day 8: Woke up 5.5hr in, put off alarm, did some simple stresses, prepared to WILD and then fell asleep.

Edit: Just an idea, I would try to set the alarm one hour after you first wake up to try and WILD. This way if you fail, you can try again and it could help you with a WBTB+DILD which is what kinda happened for my second DILD(technically, it was a lucid moment).

Thanks BigFan! I'll definitely try the number technique.

Day 58:

When i woke up, i was so sleepy that i forgot to try WILD. Plus i had to get up earlier than usual. The sad thing is that i have to get up even earlier tomorrow, so time probably won't allow for a WILD attempt for day 59. I hate getting up early.

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Thanks BigFan! I'll definitely try the number technique.

Day 58:

When i woke up, i was so sleepy that i forgot to try WILD. Plus i had to get up earlier than usual. The sad thing is that i have to get up even earlier tomorrow, so time probably won't allow for a WILD attempt for day 59. I hate getting up early.

np, I have a similar problem having to wake up at 6 in some cases, so, what I try to do is WILD 5hr in and sleep around 12 or so. The way I see it, if my WILD succeeds, I'll probably have around 20minutes or so for my LD which is more than enough time especially if you haven't had a ton of them.

Day 9: I woke up around 2hr after falling asleep and remembered my vivid non-lucid dream. I didn't wake up at the alarm, so, didn't WILD. I have a good feeling for tonight, definitely very confident of an LD in the next couple of days. Confidence is key!

Day 16: No attempt. (No excuse)
Day 17: No attempt. (Excuse: alcohol)

Day 10: Well, I woke up but put the alarm off and went back to bed. Woke up at my second alarm but had to get up soon enough so decided not to try WILDing. I did manage to partially remember a dream, mostly a general idea though.

Just a tip guys, when I had that moment of lucidity, I had my alarm set twice with one, 5hr into my sleep and another 6hr into my sleep. The idea was that if I failed 5hr in and slept, then I'll try again at 6hr in which case I woke up, thought about LDing and fell back asleep resulting in a DILD

Originally Posted by BigFan

np, I have a similar problem having to wake up at 6 in some cases, so, what I try to do is WILD 5hr in and sleep around 12 or so. The way I see it, if my WILD succeeds, I'll probably have around 20minutes or so for my LD which is more than enough time especially if you haven't had a ton of them.

Could you explain a little more? You said to try WILD 5hr in (i understand that part), but what do you mean sleep around 12? Do you mean sleep around midnight or sleep for 12 hours? What time do you go to bed? My internal clock is usually all screwed up. I stay up late, because i just don't get sleepy until late. Also, the time that i have to get up varies greatly. Anywhere from 7:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m., if i'm lucky, i get a few days that i get up whenever i feel like it. On the days that i don't have to get up until 11, i usually take advantage of it.

Day 59:

I was right. I went to bed too late and had to get up too early. So there was no attempt for me. I get to sleep in late in the morning, so maybe i will have better luck.

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Could you explain a little more? You said to try WILD 5hr in (i understand that part), but what do you mean sleep around 12? Do you mean sleep around midnight or sleep for 12 hours? What time do you go to bed? My internal clock is usually all screwed up. I stay up late, because i just don't get sleepy until late. Also, the time that i have to get up varies greatly. Anywhere from 7:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m., if i'm lucky, i get a few days that i get up whenever i feel like it. On the days that i don't have to get up until 11, i usually take advantage of it.

What I meant was I sleep around midnight and wake up at 5am which is 5hr into my sleep. I try to WILD for around 20-30min and if I succeed, I'll have around a 20min LD before my alarm rings

Day 57-61: failure, lazyness.

Day 11: Woke up at alarm, did some quick exercises, went back to bed and was asleep in a couple of minutes. I find that trying to wake up and stay awake 4.5hr after falling asleep is pretty difficult, so, no go

Originally Posted by BigFan

What I meant was I sleep around midnight and wake up at 5am which is 5hr into my sleep. I try to WILD for around 20-30min and if I succeed, I'll have around a 20min LD before my alarm rings

Ok, i see what you mean now. If i had to get up at 6 a.m. and i tried to WILD at 5 a.m., i probably wouldn't be able to do it. I always have a hard time going back to sleep when i know i only have an hour to sleep. It would be even harder for me with an hour time limit looming over my WILD attempt. That's awesome that you can do that.

Day 60:

Wow, the 2/3 mark of the project! Too bad i wasn't successful last night. I didn't realize how tired i was after working Saturday. I can't remember when i went to sleep. I also can't remember waking up during the night before 7 a.m., which is weird for me. I always wake up around 4:30 - 5:45 during the night, before going back to sleep. I went to the bathroom when i woke up around 7 a.m., and i thought that i should try WILD. As soon as i laid back down, i was out again. I woke up again at 9:40 a.m. and thought that i should probably get up. The next thing i know and i'm looking at a clock that said 10:40 a.m. I guess i was tired. Oh well, i needed the sleep i guess, but i really want to get a WILD. Maybe i'll have better luck tonight.

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Ok, i see what you mean now. If i had to get up at 6 a.m. and i tried to WILD at 5 a.m., i probably wouldn't be able to do it. I always have a hard time going back to sleep when i know i only have an hour to sleep. It would be even harder for me with an hour time limit looming over my WILD attempt. That's awesome that you can do that.

Well, trying my best to get it to work that way since I have some early morning shifts

Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Day 60:

Wow, the 2/3 mark of the project! Too bad i wasn't successful last night. I didn't realize how tired i was after working Saturday. I can't remember when i went to sleep. I also can't remember waking up during the night before 7 a.m., which is weird for me. I always wake up around 4:30 - 5:45 during the night, before going back to sleep. I went to the bathroom when i woke up around 7 a.m., and i thought that i should try WILD. As soon as i laid back down, i was out again. I woke up again at 9:40 a.m. and thought that i should probably get up. The next thing i know and i'm looking at a clock that said 10:40 a.m. I guess i was tired. Oh well, i needed the sleep i guess, but i really want to get a WILD. Maybe i'll have better luck tonight.

hmm, if you are tired, you should take a break from trying to LD. With my first LD, I tried to WILD for two days ~1.5hr each time for 2 days and was doing RCs during the day. I took a 3 day break from LDing, but, I think I was still doing RCs and my LD was on the third day break, pretty close to 7 in the morning, so, it's possible taking a small break might give you an LD through DILD, not WILD though

sorry guys, unfortunately im pulling out of the project. I just don't have the time to put in the proper effort. Lately i haven't even been attempting any of the techniques ... I've been super busy with uni

Also i've came to the conclusion that WILD is probably not for me.
In the past i've been successful using DILD and i think i'll go back to that method for good.


For now i'll probably take some time off LD. and hopefully when summer comes i'll have way more free time. I might even do a DILD project then.



Anyways good luck to everyone.
Even though i was not able to achieve my main goal, i was still somewhat successful in WILDing. and this definitely helped me grow as a Lucid Dreamer.

Sad to hear you're quitting, edge0125. It was great reading your posts in this thread. I'll be glad to join the DILD-project when that is started

Day 18: No attempt
Day 19: Attempted, but too short WBTB (5 min). Gotta be at least 10 min. Damn why does that bed look so damn comfy. I must improve tonight.

Originally Posted by edge0125

sorry guys, unfortunately im pulling out of the project. I just don't have the time to put in the proper effort. Lately i haven't even been attempting any of the techniques ... I've been super busy with uni

Also i've came to the conclusion that WILD is probably not for me.
In the past i've been successful using DILD and i think i'll go back to that method for good.


For now i'll probably take some time off LD. and hopefully when summer comes i'll have way more free time. I might even do a DILD project then.

Anyways good luck to everyone.
Even though i was not able to achieve my main goal, i was still somewhat successful in WILDing. and this definitely helped me grow as a Lucid Dreamer.

That's understandable. When I was in uni, I didn't do any LDing because of the work load. As BohmaN stated, kinda sad you are quitting but since DILD was working for you and you got a couple of WILDs, you still gained something and personally, I would stick to DILDs if I were you. Good luck with your studies and I'll likely join your DILD project as well

Day 12: Woke up 4.5hr into sleep, got up for ~25min and then tried to WILD. Unfortunately, I didn't get too far. I did the reverse blinking technique and with every breath, my stomach started to get colder and colder eventually I must have stopped and dozed off. I think I'll try around 6hr of sleep so that I can try and WILD into the 4th REM cycle to increase my chance of a longer LD and being able to be more aware so that I don't fall asleep.

Originally Posted by BigFan

hmm, if you are tired, you should take a break from trying to LD. With my first LD, I tried to WILD for two days ~1.5hr each time for 2 days and was doing RCs during the day. I took a 3 day break from LDing, but, I think I was still doing RCs and my LD was on the third day break, pretty close to 7 in the morning, so, it's possible taking a small break might give you an LD through DILD, not WILD though

I think i was just tired from getting up early and working, but i made up for it with a lot of sleep.

Originally Posted by edge0125

sorry guys, unfortunately im pulling out of the project. I just don't have the time to put in the proper effort. Lately i haven't even been attempting any of the techniques ... I've been super busy with uni

Anyways good luck to everyone.
Even though i was not able to achieve my main goal, i was still somewhat successful in WILDing. and this definitely helped me grow as a Lucid Dreamer.

Like everyone else said, hate to see you leave the project, but i understand. I have so many projects and papers that are soon to be due in my uni; i think the stress is screwing up my WILD attempts.

Day 61:

No attempt. I don't know why i didn't try. I think i just totally forgot. I know that staying up late isn't helping, so i should probably try to get to bed earlier. I seem to be too distracted by the cares of the day to have lucid fun at night, although i have had a few DILD's and 2 WILD's during this project. I need to come up with a specific battle plan and stick to it. It probably wouldn't hurt to do more rc's during the day so i could at least get some more DILD's. Since i've been focusing on WILD; it usually doesn't occur to me to do rc's since they're not really related to the WILD technique. Oh well, guess i need better focus.