Thread: The Holographic universe

Originally Posted by WhatsReal

I dont know everything about this subject but i do know alot beyond the name they gave it. I understand this principle was created to give insight into discoveries made by scientist that could not be explained in the eyes of physical reality such as interference patterns and subatomic particles being able to "communicate" with eachother no matter how far the distance between. I also see the big picture as for what this means for the reality as we know it... we are all interconnected into the larger system, we are all "chips off the block" every piece of a hologram contains everything needed to form the hologram... We are everything and everything is us. im not going to sit here and prove my knowledge to you, that would be a waste of both our time. I understand my thread starter was not worded in the best way, I was in a hurry and just wanted to read what others had to say (not giving my input) please do not assume that im an idiot, you would be all out of those pennies.

All I see is a lot of wordy pseudo-philosophy about "interconnectedness", but no actual physics.

Originally Posted by cmind

All I see is a lot of wordy pseudo-philosophy about "interconnectedness", but no actual physics.

but you didnt see the part where i said i wasnt going to sit here and explain myself to you?

*cough* fuck off *cough*

Originally Posted by WhatsReal

but you didnt see the part where i said i wasnt going to sit here and explain myself to you?

*cough* fuck off *cough*

Because you can't explain it. I bet you couldn't even compute a simple Newtonian kinematics problem without help from wikipedia.

Originally Posted by cmind

Because you can't explain it. I bet you couldn't even compute a simple Newtonian kinematics problem without help from wikipedia.

Are you poking fun at yourself, here?
Or are you actually being serious?

Originally Posted by sloth

Are you poking fun at yourself, here?
Or are you actually being serious?

You can't become a philosopher of a particular subject if you don't have a grasp of the extreme basics. Do you disagree?

From www.dictionary.com:
phi·los·o·pher   /fɪˈlɒsəfər/ Show Spelled
[fi-los-uh-fer] Show IPA

–noun
1. a person who offers views or theories on profound questions in ethics, metaphysics, logic, and other related fields.

If by "basics" you mean basic motor skills, then you are correct. However, I don't see a requirement that someone has to know extensive knowledge, or even the basics about another person's (or the status quo's) views on a particular subject in order to philosophize about it. I think the point of philosophizing is to learn about what other's think, after all. I don't believe that there has ever existed any philosopher that was born with extensive knowledge about philosophy. They all acquired that "knowledge" through philosophizing.
I also did not notice anyone claiming to be, currently in the process of becoming a philosopher.
Furthermore, the subject of this thread does not require that Whatsreal is, or is becoming a philosopher, or that he knows ANYthing about anyone else's ideas concerning the holographic universe. In fact, I believe that was the information he was attempting to acquire by posting the topic.
Whatsreal asked for other's thoughts about the Holographic universe. I don't really know why you felt that it was important to point out that you believe that he does not know much about it.
But if it makes you feel better about yourself...

It's so fucking simple. There's only so much in the visible spectrum we tuned into. And that's the only thing we see is there. It's all real and illusory like everything else. But it's the only illusion you call real because it is the one you remember to always be there. I'm to lazy to look it up and tell you the sources and details but you probably know that we are 99,9% empty space. (whatever that is) Dark matter has a powerful influence but is completely unseen. Dark energy is even more mysterious because it is both dark AND energy. Both weird concepts. And Atoms are really really small. Just plain MAGIC.

Reality is like a TV . For reals !
There's one channel we all know and we are in it right now. The rules in this channel are set and there's nothing you can do to change that. You can only overlap illusions over this one. Scizophrenia comes to mind. You can switch channels by shutting off all the logic that formed in this channel and are only useful to this one alone. Once you let that go by for example meditating, psychedelic drugs, sleeping you tune into different channels from there.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

My own take on this notion of drawing specific, historical information out of the a-temporal (aka eternal) 'level' or 'side' of our existence is that it's an attempt to get a dissected frog to catch flies. To consider the holographic universe in any depth, one must set aside the notion that happening (undergoing the formality of actually occurring in our linear experience of the universe) has some privileged status. The unchanging, a-temporal totality of being includes not only all happenings, but all possibilities. The appearance of specific events taking place in an ordered chain of causality is strictly a manifestation of consciousness. So, even if we could mine eternity for detailed information, even first-hand vision of a past, it wouldn't necessarily be our past (what most of us ordinarily consider the past).

This stuff is pure gold. Of course it's forced on us by even special relativity (specifically, the relativity of simultaneity) and strongly hinted at by the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.

This "big bang" isn't a "was but an "is" that is happening right "now".