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      Science can only be as advanced, as we are.
      Things we don't see, don't know or can't mesure
      are still possible to exist. And one major insight
      or scientific realization could change our entire
      world-view.

      I'd suggest you get into quantum physics.
      They deal with the limitations of science.

      Science IS, as I said, important. But does NOT
      grasp all there is and never will. There are still
      many unanswered questions and that is the
      beauty of it: Things are still open, they evolve,
      as will science.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dajo View Post
      Science can only be as advanced, as we are.
      Things we don't see, don't know or can't mesure
      are still possible to exist. And one major insight
      or scientific realization could change our entire
      world-view.

      I'd suggest you get into quantum physics.
      They deal with the limitations of science.

      Science IS, as I said, important. But does NOT
      grasp all there is and never will. There are still
      many unanswered questions and that is the
      beauty of it: Things are still open, they evolve,
      as will science.
      You obviously didn't read thoroughly. I never said science can grasp eerything but, in fact, said to always leave room for development and the high likeliness that there is more to add to your results. I understand quantum physics but it seems you are boy respecting the philosophical plateau of science
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      Sorry, that did sound kind of like that.

      It's just the truth-thing, somehow bugs me.
      Never mind though, I think that'd be beating a dead horse

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      Quote Originally Posted by dajo View Post
      Sorry, that did sound kind of like that.

      It's just the truth-thing, somehow bugs me.
      Never mind though, I think that'd be beating a dead horse
      I thought as much, with really's response too. The point that I am aiming at is that, whichever truth you are seeking, scientific methods are likely going to be set in place in some sort of means. Even subjective truths involve you questioning yourself and trying to pre-define those terms in which the subjective truths are based upon.

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      I thought as much, with really's response too. The point that I am aiming at is that, whichever truth you are seeking, scientific methods are likely going to be set in place in some sort of means. Even subjective truths involve you questioning yourself and trying to pre-define those terms in which the subjective truths are based upon.

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      Subjective truths do not require definition - that is required in the realm of science. A nonlinear subjective truth is not definable.

      The point is that science is limited to its own domain of reasoning. Of course, it seems like the only way to understand things while restricting one's awareness of anything beyond it. It deals with the linear and the causal. Quantum physics/mechanics is pretty much the edge of science - as far as it may go, because it is beyond these attributes.

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      I understand Dajo's feeling towards the use of the word truth.. Because even science itself can believe something to be true only to write itself off many years later.

      Yes science and the scientific method helps find basic "truths" of life, the universe and everything but it can and will be wrong at points..

      He makes much sense when he says science can only help us find or understand what we are searching for or have the proper equipment to find and understand..

      Hard to find the soul for instance when we have no devices geared specifically for finding it.
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      Indeed, science is the search for truth, but most people mistake science as the truth. As if science can't progress.
      "Reject common sense to make the impossible possible." -Kamina

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