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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      My argument against this proposition is a mathematical one; the number of systems outnumbers the number of brains by a very large factor. Given the axiom that there is no bias to 'being' any particular conscious system, then the proposition seems unlikely, because you would not expect to be in the extreme minority which is human brains; however, we are.

      It seems more likely to me that only certain systems are capable of consciousness. What is special about those systems I do not know, but perhaps we will work it out when we crack the neural code.
      Ok, if I understand correctly - then is it not also true that in some classical deterministic model of the universe every conscious systems might not be recognizable by only one version? For example we might only detect the entities which are based on the same systems, due to our "biased" brain structure which only recognizes specific ones. This emergent characteristic could easily be ascribed to some evolutionary process or the fact that we (animals) are related. Of course we could then project the only way we perceive consciousness further, like creating AI. It would only appear to us that we are in a minority.

      When we look objectively, even if many try to fight this, the brain from which we arise falls under the same laws as everything else. I feel free, but I might just be as free as a rock flying through space. I don't really have the authority to say that the universe is deterministic, but if it is, there is nothing stopping my lamp from being "conscious". If I really simplify it all, It might reason with it's "free will" by deciding to stay still. The funny thing is that there is no way to prove it, since free will in determinism doesn't mean anything objectively. Just throwing out my ideas. What do you think?
      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Until we know in great detail what that connection is, we will not be able to create artificial consciousness.
      We might not be able to agree on it's existence (not knowing the nature of consciousness), but I'm pretty sure we'll create it.
      Last edited by Bonsay; 08-03-2009 at 12:57 AM.
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