Quote Originally Posted by Hercuflea View Post
Yeah but not the way he presented it. If God is not subject to the laws of his own creation, then that means he may or may not have been created by something. I dont know, i havent thought that far into it, because frankly thats another problem for another dimension. But I do believe that there is a God and he did create this, as to his origins, I do not know.
Dimensions are a mathematical concept. Mathematics is the product of the universe. How can you even discuss a god if he is apart from the universe in the sense you are using?

Your logic:

Things are created The universe was created

However when this is countered ala

Things are created The universe was created That creator must have a creator

You say that this supposed creator is not subject to the laws of this universe. However, in saying that, you are assuming that this universe is an isolate, and not derivative, of what is was created from, and therefore could not have been created by your supposed creator without being derivative of its own universe, as is evidenced by things created in this universe.

In other words, your argument requires us to take a huge, illogical step and assume things that cannot be proven in order to serve a certain mindset. I.e. it defeats itself.