Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
I added a bit on the end of my last post, and what you've said here indicates I was right. Semantic differences. What you're calling time is what the rest of us refer to as an abstract human concept of time - the measuring of it.

Proof: "Most creatures actually get through their lives without any concept of time at all, yet movement exists in their worlds."

If time doesn't exist until it's conceptualized by intelligent beings, then how could humanity have evolved in order to do that conceptualizing? The 'time' you're talking about obviously didn't exist until we dreamed it up, therefore it's only a conceptualization.
Ah, now we're getting somewhere!

Yes indeedy, I've been saying from the get-go that time is a human invention meant to lend order to what would otherwise be a chaotic universe. And that order wasn't necessary until some caveman looked around and said, "I am." Before that we were like any other critters, living in a timeless here & now, with no memory of yesterday or dreams about tomorrow. The amazing complexity of knowing there was a past and will be a tomorrow led us to need time, among a bunch of other new concepts, like religion and hope.

It's clear that these are only semantic differences. In order for us all to have a meaningful discussion and understand each other, a little on-the-fly translation is necessary. Sageous, when you see one of us use the word time, you should substitute "movement". When you use the word time, we should substitute "the abstract measurement of movement, entirely independent of movement itself". In that way I think we'd all be talking about the same thing.
Semantics is the wrong word, if you'll pardon the pun. You're saying that movement is really the same as time? Does everyone here think that? Is that what they're teaching in school now? I am deeply confused. I had always thought that movement was the result of force acting on an object, period. Where exactly does time step in to make an object move? Forgive my shortness here, but this is a bit disturbing, and "movement = time" is something I honestly had never heard before. It certainly explains my oddness, doesn't it?