What energy controls our body?

[Noogah]

I don't think that this belongs in the beyond dreaming forum, because I believe that body movement is not the results of some strange ki/chi/psi/whatever, but can be explained scientifically. The movement of muscles is actually the contraction of muscle fibers, and I realize that, but my question is, what kind of energy supplies the movement? Or, is my question somehow not quite valid? I'm being serious. I'm really curious about it.

[ClouD]

Do you mean 'what energy do we "use" to create movement', or more in the sense of 'what are we'?

[Photolysis]

The movement of muscles is actually the contraction of muscle fibers, and I realize that, but my question is, what kind of energy supplies the movement? Or, is my question somehow not quite valid? Chemical energy, which is converted in to kinetic energy. It's been a long time since I read about this, but off the top of my head myosin fibres are moved by the hydrolysis of ATP, causing muscle contraction.

[Noogah]

@clouD First option. @photolysis Thanks! Can you give me a link to a more detailed article?

[DrunkenArse]

Don't listen to those crazy scientists Noogah! Do you know that they think that ATP evolved?!? Just stick to the bible: It has everything you need. There's no need to worry your precious little mind over what scientists think. What do they know anyways.

[SnakeCharmer]

[Bonsay]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliding_filament_model

[Noogah]

Don't listen to those crazy scientists Noogah! Do you know that they think that ATP evolved?!? Just stick to the bible: It has everything you need. There's no need to worry your precious little mind over what scientists think. What do they know anyways. Listen buddy. I don't remember inviting the big bang gang. I listen to scientists who actually have logical science. I don't believe the scientists who say you and I are apes, and haven't a shred of proof. Also, the Bible never mentions muscle fiber, but is specifically mentions the origins of the earth. Furthermore, muscle fiber can be observed. Touched, studied, and reviewed. Don't bother responding. I don't want to bring this thread off topic, and if you do respond, you'll be ignored. Can't you EVER leave Evolution out of ANYTHING??? Oh, and SnakeChramer, Bonsay, thanks for the videos people! Neat stuff.

[Bonsay]

Noogah. All great apes have 24 chromosomes, humans have 23. For us to be related we should've found the chromosome. And we did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human). 2 chromosomes fused. Which is clearly shown by the telomeres in the centre of the chromosome and the vestigial centromere. How do you explain this without common decent? Beside "goddunit for kicks" of course.

[Noogah]

So because humans and apes have the same chromosome means we are related? Yeah. Related to the same creator. Well, nevermind. Evolution debate belongs in a different thread. I'm finished here. Thanks alot guys!

[Bonsay]

I can't contend with Goddunit. Any proof anyone shows can always be "countered" with god did it. So what would be proof of evolution for you?

[Noogah]

Look bonsay, I said I want this thread to stay on topic. I never tried to "counter" your "proof" with "God did it" I'll respond to you via PM, alright? I want this thread to be left alone by the big bang gang.

[grasshoppa]

Listen buddy. I don't remember inviting the big bang gang. I listen to scientists who actually have logical science. I don't believe the scientists who say you and I are apes, and haven't a shred of proof. Also, the Bible never mentions muscle fiber, but is specifically mentions the origins of the earth. Furthermore, muscle fiber can be observed. Touched, studied, and reviewed. Don't bother responding. I don't want to bring this thread off topic, and if you do respond, you'll be ignored. Can't you EVER leave Evolution out of ANYTHING??? Oh, and SnakeChramer, Bonsay, thanks for the videos people! Neat stuff. You opened a can of worms! We're not apes, we are humans. Humans are directly related to apes. There is plenty of proof and evidence, you choose to ignore it thread after thread.

[Licity]

Lay off it guys. The muscle thing was a fair question. Noogah should still be able to use the rest of the forums without everyone dragging evolution into things.

[Sisyphus50]

You opened a can of worms! We're not apes, we are humans. Humans are directly related to apes. There is plenty of proof and evidence, you choose to ignore it thread after thread. Technically not true. We're one of the five Great Apes.

[Dizko]

Get a flipping grip guys. Seriously its getting out of hand now.

[grasshoppa]

Technically not true. We're one of the five Great Apes. Oh I didn't know that Technicalities...

[Oneironaut Zero]

If there is no more use that can out of this thread (on-topic use, that is), I'm going to close it.

[ninja9578]

A rebalancing of potassium and calcium in the nerves is what fires electrical energy, which causes the muscles to contract. That's why pinching a nerve feels like an electrical shock.

[ChaybaChayba]

In taekwondo and most martial arts we believe this to be chi, chakra, life energy, orgone energy, aether, spirit, bio-energy, which is always present all around us. This energy is somehow intelligent. thats why we meditate, to go with the flow of intelligence; Check out cells doing and DNA formation and cell mitosis. http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...abilities.html There's still a huge mystery that I can't explain here, many scientist have tried.. who will bring the solution? Spoiler for spoiler: In past centuries, countless scientists tried to explain the presence of a hypothetical life energy. The ancient Chinese already knew of the existence of an energy called Chi, which flows through the human body and the technique of acupuncture refers to. Several Indian books speak about a vital force called Prana. It runs through the body along the meridians, and drawings showed the major energetic points on the body of an elephant, in a manner very similar to Chinese acupuncture. Both cultures showed that this energy is absorbed by the organism through respiration, and flows inside it along the meridians. When this flow is blocked, the conditions are established to develop illnesses. In addition, the West also was developing similar philosophies advocating that an energy was present in living beings and in the cosmos. In 3 BC Hermes Trismegistus called it Telesma; Hippocrates, in the same period, gave it the name Vis Medicatrix Naturae, while Aristotle called it Quintessence. In 6 AD in Polynesia and Hawaii, a similar energy was called Mana. Later, in the 16th Century, Paracelsus called it Munia, and a century later, Kepler gave it the name Facultas Formatrix. Goethe started to speak in the 18th Century of a cosmic energy which he named Gestaltung, while in the same period, Galvani drew upon the concept of Vital Energy. A short time later, Mesmer talked of Animal Magnetism as an atmospheric fluid that surrounds, charges and enlivens all living things. A similar concept was also drawn up by the German Scientist von Reichenbach after numerous years of study and research. Seeing the presence of a natural energy which did not respond to traditional physical laws, he chose to call it Odic Force. Subsequently, Freud, studying the behavior of human beings, identified an energy that he was not able to completely quantify, naming it Libido, while a short time later, Jung called it Synchronicity. At the start of the last Century, the French philosopher and Noble prize winner Bergson drew up a theory of evolution based on the spiritual dimension of the human life. The basis of this process was a vital energy or Elan Vital, which was pure energy, free from physical or deterministic implications. In the same period, the Russian Scientist Lakhovsky identified the existence of a spiritual substance, infinitely subtle, intangible and impalpable, which penetrates all objects and living beings, extending into the universe and into interstellar space. He called this substance Universion. According to Lakhovsky, it is the basic substance from which all physical matter and living beings are derived by way of condensation. More recently Burr, from Yale University, came up with the presence of a potent natural electro-dynamical field that influences both meteorological conditions and human beings. The biologist Sheldrake developed a theory similar to that of Burr, that was based on an energy that he called a Morphogenetic Field. The French scientist Kervran, after numerous years of studying the transmutation of chemical elements in human beings, discovered that animals that have a diet high in silicate, transform that silicate into calcium. The results he got, confirmed by independent research in both Europe and Japan, suggest the presence of some unknown form of powerful biological energy which guides the transmutation. In the 1950s Abbot used theories based on concepts of energy flows in the atmosphere for weather forecasts. In this way, he was able to predict the weather with a high level of accuracy for months in advance. Among the physicists of the last century, Miller stands out, who proved the existence of a cosmic ether through his experiments. He also showed that the ether is dynamic and is reflected by metals, much like Reich had established. The Italian Chemist Piccardi studied the chemical physical behavior of water and showed that its properties can be influenced by a form of unknown cosmic energy, very similar to a strong magnet and correlated to sunspots. At the same time, the Russian Physicist Grishenko identified a stream of cool plasma as responsible for the energetic structure of the physical body of an organism, that he decided to call Bioplasma. Recently Inyushin, a researcher at the University of Kazakhstan at Alma Ata, Siberia, came to the conclusion that the bioplasma body is the same as the etheric body of the oriental philosophers and doctrines. The list of scientists who have studied and tried to clarify the natural presence of this life energy throughout the centuries, does not end here and could possibly be infinite, spanning all epochs. Aside from studying of the same energy, all these researchers also have in common that they have never been taken seriously by the academics of their time, even if, as in many cases, these scientists represented the top of the scientific establishment. In the end, they were almost always scientifically isolated and ridiculed, and the most unfortunate were assassinated or burned at the stake. 3. Reich, W.: Die Entdeckung des Orgons, Erster Teil: Die Funktion des Orgasmus, Internationaler Psychoanalytischer Verlag, Vienna, 1927 (English translation, The Function of the Orgasm, Farrar, Straus & Giroux, New York, 1961). 4. Kelley, C.R.: A New Method of Weather Control, Kelley/Radix Publications, Vancouver (USA), 1961. Also see Kelley, C.R.: Eine Neue Methode der Wetterkontrolle, Plejaden Verlag, Berlin (Germany), 1985. Also reprinted in Kelley, C.R.: Life Force: The Creative Process in Man and in Nature, Trafford Publishers, Victoria, BC (Canada), 2004.

[Indecent Exposure]

Do you understand that the common ancestor we share with chimpanzees is much more recent than the common ancestor that chimpanzees share with Asian apes like the Oragutang? In essence, there is no scientific classification that includes the Orangutang and the Chimpanzee but not the homo sapien. Therefore, yes, you are a fucking monkey. Back to the actual topic, I think it's commendable that you're interested in science; keep reading and one day you might abandon your middle age beliefs.

[SnakeCharmer]

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...abilities.html Please, don't bring nonsense about telepathic DNA into Science&Mathematics forum. The segregation of identical DNAs in highly hydrated cholesteric spherulites provides evidence for homology recognition between intact double helices through physical forces as an intrinsic property of DNA. As you can see, the original paper says it happens through physical forces.

[ChaybaChayba]

DNA is a mathematical language. How do you explain this intelligence from a logical point of view?

[Sisyphus50]

DNA is a mathematical language. How do you explain this intelligence from a logical point of view? There is no intelligence present at all. The process is autonomous.

[Universal Mind]

I don't believe the scientists who say you and I are apes, and haven't a shred of proof. How about a 99% genetic overlap between humans and chimpanzees? We are classified as apes right now. The four kinds of great apes are chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans, and humans. There are very clear and provable genetic reasons for the classification. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us