Thread: Is Paperdoll a Fugget Nugget??

and still it wouldn't matter.

Originally posted by Kaniaz
and still it wouldn't matter.

Nuh uh.

Uh huh. All the domains in the world have static IP's (well, there are exceptions to everything, inclusive this), but not all of them have been hacked,

Trust me, the least of your worries is somebody getting your IP (shock! horror!).

Some hackers scan huge amounts of IPs systematically, even if you've never been to any site, anywhere that could of logged it (pretty useless to have, but still). So there's not really a point to being so protective about your IP. It's pretty silly really. Of course, hiding it makes things a bit harder, but revealing it increases your chances of being hacked by what, 0.0001%? That's if a hacker actually sees the point of breaking into your system, which is unlikely.

Hackers are humans beings and only hack where it benefits them, they don't just hack any IP that appears in their face.

Nevertheless, if a hacker wants to hack you they will get your IP. It gets sent out to every single page on the internet you go to, every download, etc. It gets everywhere. When you loaded this page, your IP got logged with Dreamviews. Setting up a website that just logs every IP that comes and then trying to hack them all is not hard, it would take me 3 seconds to do right now (press "start" on apache then give you the link), and it's easy for you to click and bam, there it goes.

It is not some secret number that will save you if they don't know it, because all it takes from you is one click on a website they design, them to get a log from somewhere, you to get a virus they craft, etc etc and they have it.

Of course then there's the fact they have to actually hack you. And hacking isn't so much as a "i have your ip, i click hack and you are hacked". It takes alot of time (exceptions, yes) and why would they want to hack you, a IP among tons, a IP that has no value and no reason to be hacked anyway?

Still, if you want to be protective about your IP, do so. It's yours and not mine. What you should worry about is not wether or not somebody has your IP (nobody cares) but if you have a firewall, and anti-virus, and other stuff like that. Once again, the IP is just this wonderful number that identifies you and won't save you from anything if people don't know it.

Originally posted by Squall+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Squall)</div>

Originally posted by Kaniaz@
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Kaniaz it isn't very good to give your IP address out.

It doesn't really matter.

His IP changes every time he logs anyways. I think he has dial-up.

It'd be more risky for a person with a static IP like me to do what he did.

I still don't understand what a fugget nugget is.[/b]

A fugget nugget is another way of saying fag muffin. I made it up..

Originally posted by CT
penis

lmao


random ol' ct

yeah, random old CT, too bad he took that from me

the penis trend setter?

Originally posted by Kaniaz
Hackers are humans beings and only hack where it benefits them, they don't just hack any IP that appears in their face.

You still need the IP to hack someone. So giving it out is still stupid even if it can be easily found by other means. And remember some viruses are made so anyone can exploit them, and it might as well be clicking a 'hack' button.

And I don't know why we're arguing about this anyways.

You still need the IP to hack someone. So giving it out is still stupid even if it can be easily found by other means.[/b]

Logic flaw.

And I don't know why we're arguing about this anyways. [/b]

I always pursue something like this right to the bitter end.

Originally posted by Kaniaz

You still need the IP to hack someone. So giving it out is still stupid even if it can be easily found by other means.

Logic flaw.

And I don't know why we're arguing about this anyways. [/b]

I always pursue something like this right to the bitter end.[/b]

It's good to have someone like you doing this. I feel informed.

Originally posted by Kaniaz

You still need the IP to hack someone. So giving it out is still stupid even if it can be easily found by other means.

Logic flaw.[/b]

Why is it a logic flaw? I simply meant that even if it can be found out, it would still be stupid to go about posting it everywhere.

Originally posted by Squall+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Squall)</div>

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You still need the IP to hack someone. So giving it out is still stupid even if it can be easily found by other means.

Logic flaw.[/b]

Why is it a logic flaw? I simply meant that even if it can be found out, it would still be stupid to go about posting it everywhere.[/b]

Not at all. If it can be found out easily, you will not be doing anything stupid by posting anywhere - security wise, anyway. Posting your IP would be pointless and stupid (because nobody cares what it is), but it would not be a security risk whatsoever. So the logic is flawed.

OMG! I missed this one. Guess the only comment I can add to this thread is *boobies*

Originally posted by Kaniaz+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaniaz)</div>

Originally posted by Squall@
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You still need the IP to hack someone. So giving it out is still stupid even if it can be easily found by other means.

Logic flaw.

Why is it a logic flaw? I simply meant that even if it can be found out, it would still be stupid to go about posting it everywhere.[/b]

Not at all. If it can be found out easily, you will not be doing anything stupid by posting anywhere - security wise, anyway. Posting your IP would be pointless and stupid (because nobody cares what it is), but it would not be a security risk whatsoever. So the logic is flawed.[/b]

I beg to differ. For example only about 20 of 3000 people here can get the IP of someone else posting here. Second getting someone's IP's the first step to hacking someone, and there are malicious individuals who hack for fun. There are also items on people's computers that they want to keep secret, like passwords etc. Thus, posting it everywhere isn't smart.

Originally posted by Squall
I beg to differ. For example only about 20 of 3000 people here can get the IP of someone else posting here. Second getting someone's IP's the first step to hacking someone, and there are malicious individuals who hack for fun. There are also items on people's computers that they want to keep secret, like passwords etc. Thus, posting it everywhere isn't smart.

Then differ.

The idea that there is a group of people that hack for fun is a misconception widely held by people. Yes, there is a group of these people but no, as much as some companies might scare you and make it sound like, these people don't hack everything in front of them. They hack things that will benefit them. Squall's home computer for example isn't the most exciting target to hack in the universe. You won't get hacked unless you are picked out of 3849023890 IPs out there on the internet. And once again, they bulk scan. Hiding your IP is not going to provide any security benefits except against a real dim-wit of a hacker that has been possesed by Satan to come and ruin your shit for no reason whatsoever.

Also, you are wrong in saying that only twenty people can get your IP here out of 3000 people. Somebody with time can get it, and without the use of hacking either. All they need to do is post an image here which is linked to a php script which in turn logs your IP. Instant IP, and you didn't even go to a site that time. Your IP is not very hard to get. Making a point of hiding it is pointless. You just loaded a image. And while it's there, it can get your browser information (user agent), operating system, language, etc. This was demonstrated by Kalmah's signature once, remember it?

Here it is again:



BAM. There's your IP. If that was my script, it would take a little modification before I would have the IP of anybody who visited this page. If I made it my signature, i could do it across all of DV and soon build up plenty of IPs to hack. It could even be a stealthy one, that was just a normal signature image, but still logged every IP that came. You wouldn't have the slightest idea it had happened. Once again, it's pointless to hide your IP. It is broadcasted everywhere.

There are also items on people's computers that they want to keep secret, like passwords etc. Thus, posting it everywhere isn't smart.[/b]

Posting your IP does not mean you will get hacked. If they want your password, etc, they will get it regardless of wether or not you have posted your IP, as I demonstrated above. It really is that easy to get your IP. There is, therefore, no point in hiding it.

Originally posted by Kaniaz+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaniaz)</div>

Squall's home computer for example isn't the most exciting target to hack in the universe. You won't get hacked unless you are picked out of 3849023890 IPs out there on the internet.[/b]

I been hacked twice before. Once was my account on an online game that was worth a lot of money. Another time regarded my email account that ended up pretty ugly.

Originally posted by Kaniaz@
Hiding your IP is not going to provide any security benefits except against a real dim-wit of a hacker that has been possesed by Satan to come and ruin your shit for no reason whatsoever.

Yes, that was my point. You'd feel stupid if you got hacked by some dimwit using a click-and-hack keylogger or virus. Not posting your IP around everywhere prevents that from happening.
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Somebody with time can get it, and without the use of hacking either. All they need to do is post an image here which is linked to a php script which in turn logs your IP. Instant IP, and you didn't even go to a site that time.

How does just anyone get access to the logged IP off of that script? That information is restricted too. You will need to build your own, too much trouble for most of the wannabe hackers out there.

Squall's home computer for example isn't the most exciting target to hack in the universe. You won't get hacked unless you are picked out of 3849023890 IPs out there on the internet.

I been hacked twice before. Once was my account on an online game that was worth a lot of money. Another time regarded my email account that ended up pretty ugly.

Hiding your IP is not going to provide any security benefits except against a real dim-wit of a hacker that has been possesed by Satan to come and ruin your shit for no reason whatsoever.

Yes, that was my point. You'd feel stupid if you got hacked by some dimwit using a click-and-hack keylogger or virus. Not posting your IP around everywhere prevents that from happening.

This is not to do with your IP. E-mail addresses and game accounts are found through other means.

Somebody with time can get it, and without the use of hacking either. All they need to do is post an image here which is linked to a php script which in turn logs your IP. Instant IP, and you didn't even go to a site that time.

How does just anyone get access to the logged IP off of that script? That information is restricted too. You will need to build your own, too much trouble for most of the wannabe hackers out there.[/quote]



I built one just to prove my point. See that image above? That just logged your ip. Here's the list of every IP that's loaded that paticular image. The code consisted of ten lines of code, minus the <?php ?> tags.Here's the code, if you want it:

Code:

<?php

$ip = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'];

$handler=fopen("/home/springf1/public_html/ips.txt", "a");

fwrite($handler, $ip . '::');

fclose($handler);

header ("Content-type: image/png");

$img_handle = imageCreateFromPNG("http://www.icemelon.com/images/tutorials/bannerboy.png");

$color = ImageColorAllocate ($img_handle, 100, 100, 100);

ImageString ($img_handle, 3, 10, 9, *"Your IP: $ip", $color);

ImagePng ($img_handle);

ImageDestroy ($img_handle); 

?>

And an seperate script:

Code:

<?php

header("Location: http://host194.ipowerweb.com/~springf1/blog/img.php");

?>

To run a loop round BBCode thinking it was a php script and not a image.

It was not rocket science. I made it in the time between my post before and post now - minus the time to make this post- (I based it off some code for an IP signature then just edited it to include logging, hence the icemelon.com thing). It was easy.

Originally posted by Kaniaz+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaniaz)</div>

This is not to do with your IP. E-mail addresses and game accounts are found through other means.[/b]

You need the IP to lock onto a certain computer with a keylogger. Which is how I lost my pass for those 2 things.

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I built one just to prove my point. See that image above? That just logged your ip. Here's the list of every IP that's loaded that paticular image. The code consisted of ten lines of code, minus the <?php ?> tags.Here's the code, if you want it:

First, that IP it's showing isn't my IP.

Second, I don't think there's many wannabe hackers who actually know PHP or a programming language. My whole point is that most of them are like "I wanna hack and steal some's pass cause it makes me leet. Let me go download a script! Omgz yers."

Originally posted by Kaniaz

Cool, but that is the address of my gateway, there are about 12,000 of us hiding behind it! I've also noticed that about 25 dreamviews regulars come through the same AOL IP.

This is not to do with your IP. E-mail addresses and game accounts are found through other means.

You need the IP to lock onto a certain computer with a keylogger. Which is how I lost my pass for those 2 things. [/quote]
Not always a keylogger. Brute forcing password techniques might of been used (although I don't know, I wasn't hacked). And also, you don't have to have the IP of the computer to \"lock on\" to it (at least, not in some cases) If you download a keylogger it can phone home to their IP, and not yours. So, wrong.

I built one just to prove my point. See that image above? That just logged your ip. Here's the list of every IP that's loaded that paticular image. The code consisted of ten lines of code, minus the <?php ?> tags.Here's the code, if you want it:

First, that IP it's showing isn't my IP. [/quote]
It uses the same variable as Danasoft's one does (it's PHP). I probably did a booby in the code, I was just banging something together and it isn't perfect. If I was a hacker after it, I would of refined the script alot more (although I wasn't going to bother, as I don't see the point). What does it say, out of curiosity? Is it different to what the Danasoft image says?

Second, I don't think there's many wannabe hackers who actually know PHP or a programming language. My whole point is that most of them are like \"I wanna hack and steal some's pass cause it makes me leet. Let me go download a script! Omgz yers.\"

Then giving them the IP won't be a problem, will it, as they know nothing about hacking at all. Unless they run a pre-made executable or something, in which case you should have a firewall and stuff to protect yourself against. Security through obscurity (sort of), as in not providing your IP, is not going to help you at all.

Cool, but that is the address of my gateway, there are about 12,000 of us hiding behind it! I've also noticed that about 25 dreamviews regulars come through the same AOL IP.

Yep, that's your IP then - so it is correct (even if you're at work and going through a gateway yada yada yada). At least, I hope so, but I don't work where you do and I could be wrong.

Yeah it's the Danasoft one.

Originally posted by Kaniaz
Not always a keylogger. Brute forcing password techniques might of been used (although I don't know, I wasn't hacked). And also, you don't have to have the IP of the computer to \"lock on\" to it (at least, not in some cases) If you download a keylogger it can phone home to their IP, and not yours. So, wrong.

True, though in my instance (as confirmed by the GMs when I got my account back) it was an issue where someone got hold of my IP.

Originally posted by Kaniaz
Unless they run a pre-made executable or something, in which case you should have a firewall and stuff to protect yourself against. Security through obscurity (sort of), as in not providing your IP, is not going to help you at all.

Yeah, but why take the risk? A firewall and anti-virus scanners are preventive measures, but the best policy is still to be sensible about your own computer's security. No matter, the truth is that giving out your IP randomly or to anyone who asks for it is not very smart if you have a static one because it does increase the chance of your privacy/security being compromised.

Oh well, you can have your own opinion Kaniaz and I'm going to respect what you believe and do. I believe you are safe cause of your dial-up anyways.

Yeah it's the Danasoft one.

Um.

Not always a keylogger. Brute forcing password techniques might of been used (although I don't know, I wasn't hacked). And also, you don't have to have the IP of the computer to \"lock on\" to it (at least, not in some cases) If you download a keylogger it can phone home to their IP, and not yours. So, wrong.

True, though in my instance (as confirmed by the GMs when I got my account back) it was an issue where someone got hold of my IP. [/quote]
That GM really needs to elaborate, or maybe he was just ill informed. Because there is no such thing as \"a issue where someone got old of your IP\". The issue is more along the lines of \"they gave you a keylogger\". The issue is not your damned IP, it is your security. I wouldn't exactly trust a GM to know much about computer security anyway, they specialize in saving helpless souls from map bugs or something.

Unless they run a pre-made executable or something, in which case you should have a firewall and stuff to protect yourself against. Security through obscurity (sort of), as in not providing your IP, is not going to help you at all.

Yeah, but why take the risk? A firewall and anti-virus scanners are preventive measures, but the best policy is still to be sensible about your own computer's security. No matter, the truth is that giving out your IP randomly or to anyone who asks for it is not very smart if you have a static one because it does increase the chance of your privacy/security being compromised. [/quote]
Not \"preventive measures\", they are the preventive measures. Hiding your IP when it can be seen anyway is not a preventive measure. In fact it's just being paranoid about nothing. Hiding your IP is also nigh on impossible as I have demonstrated, so why make a point of trying to hide it?!?! Sure, don't plaster it everywhere for the fun of it but what I'm trying to say is, use it casually if you want, don't make a point of hiding it because it is pointless and is kind of stupid, namely because you can't hide the damn thing. And then the gazillion other points I raised earlier.

Oh well, you can have your own opinion Kaniaz and I'm going to respect what you believe and do. I believe you are safe cause of your dial-up anyways.

You don't want to continue and so it ends here, ok. You can tell I go through posts systematically...

Originally posted by Kaniaz
That GM really needs to elaborate, or maybe he was just ill informed. Because there is no such thing as \"a issue where someone got old of your IP\". The issue is more along the lines of \"they gave you a keylogger\". The issue is not your damned IP, it is your security. I wouldn't exactly trust a GM to know much about computer security anyway, they specialize in saving helpless souls from map bugs or something.

All I know was that I was targeted as a specific person on that game. There was no way for them to pinpoint me without an IP.

Now, about the firewall/anti-virus issue:

Originally posted by Kaniaz
Not \"preventive measures\", they are the preventive measures.

Airbags are preventive, it doesn't mean you should drive on the wrong side of the road. Likewise, firewalls are preventive. Using your IP 'casually' would be facilitating hackers, giving them an invitation, thus, not being sensible about computer security.

Originally posted by Kaniaz
You don't want to continue and so it ends here, ok. You can tell I go through posts systematically...

So do I.

EDIT: Okay we really should end this.

the point is, you'd better just make sure all your flipping ports are stealth if you want to pretend to have security (which you already have by obscurity, since you're just a simple home use which no hacker would want to spent any effort on...) because your IP isnt any secret code that instantly gives access to your damned computer ...
OK, if there was someone out there who desperately needed to hack you, and that person just happened to come across your post where you posted your IP, you might've saved them like, a minute of their time...