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      Quote Originally Posted by MSG View Post
      Identity X please don't waste a perfectly good system like that on Linux

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      Please don't waste all our precious oil on economical cars
      buy a 4 ton behemoth that runs out of petrol 'soon as you start the engine

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ynot View Post
      Please don't waste all our precious oil on economical cars
      buy a 4 ton behemoth that runs out of petrol 'soon as you start the engine

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      Please don't contribute to global warming by releasing heat from your anger that you will get by putting yourself through the misery that is setting up Linux and getting it to work properly with what little programs are actually offered for it

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      Haha, it's sad, but true. Ubuntu, despite being free and open source, is more user friendly and easy to use than XP in my experience.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tsen View Post
      Ubuntu, despite being free and open source, is more user friendly and easy to use than XP in my experience.[/b]
      and it&#39;s assumtions like this that I think is the current problem with linux adoption

      It&#39;s because it&#39;s open source (and, as such, as a blossoming community of developers and testers) that it is more user-friendly

      developers develop the OS
      testers test it
      feedback is fed back
      developers develop the OS
      .....
      ..

      there does seem to be a general feeling (and I&#39;ve seen this with my own eyes with SWAT)
      that open source does scare people off
      they see it as a DIY, hodge-potch solution
      where in fact
      it&#39;s often the complete reverse

      anyway, I&#39;m getting bow-legged on my high horse
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ynot View Post
      and it&#39;s assumtions like this that I think is the current problem with linux adoption

      It&#39;s because it&#39;s open source (and, as such, as a blossoming community of developers and testers) that it is more user-friendly

      developers develop the OS
      testers test it
      feedback is fed back
      developers develop the OS
      .....
      ..
      [/b]
      That&#39;s what I thought when I read Tsen&#39;s post. Because it&#39;s open source and free, it tends to be more user friendly.

      Also, shall we keep the Linux vs Windows debate somewhere else?

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      Linux in the nerd world is okay, and when somebody who is experienced in computing says that they&#39;re using Linux, I don&#39;t necessarily have a problem with it. The part that I&#39;m kinda confused about is why Linux is trying to make it&#39;s way onto the average user&#39;s desktop.

      Server market = fishbowl
      Desktop computer market = sidewalk

      Linux is a fish on a leash. You&#39;re not a dog, get back in the bowl

      You see what happen&#39;s with Linux, is that it will never be able to make it big until laws change. It&#39;s unable to work with the DRM and the copyright protection that companies have in place for their products. The open source nature is viral (and it depends on itself), so Linux would only work in a utopian world in which everybody shares and they all trust each other. As cool as that would be, that&#39;s not the kind of world we live in.

      Why do I get so mad when people bring up linux? I don&#39;t know. It&#39;s probably because I feel betrayed. I was told many times that Linux is the way, all your computing problems will go away, blah blah blah, it&#39;s open it&#39;s free and it&#39;s just great ... and then I go to use it

      Installation and general first usage is great, but the problem with Linux I found was that it was fine at first, but then when I want to do other things with it it starts to break and die. In terms of stability, I&#39;d say Windows is far more stable than Linux (I&#39;m not talking about uptime, I mean how easy it is to break).

      And then when you do break it, help online is a bitch to find. The forumgoers ignore problems that aren&#39;t fun to solve (go open source&#33 and the IRC room basically said I was fucked when I got "Segmentation fault" every time I tried to run a program and suggested I reinstall (no, not reboot, reinstall.

      I might give Linux another shot in a year or two, but as for right now, I&#39;ll wait until they&#39;ve improved on it a lot more. In it&#39;s current state it seems like even the simplest of things means doing it in a much more complicated way than you would have to if you were using Windows.

      Installing and maintaining a web server in Linux was great, though, I give it that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MSG View Post
      Linux in the nerd world is okay, and when somebody who is experienced in computing says that they&#39;re using Linux, I don&#39;t necessarily have a problem with it. The part that I&#39;m kinda confused about is why Linux is trying to make it&#39;s way onto the average user&#39;s desktop.

      Server market = fishbowl
      Desktop computer market = sidewalk

      Linux is a fish on a leash. You&#39;re not a dog, get back in the bowl[/b]
      You love that phrase don&#39;t you? I recall you saying it on IRC once or twice as well, haha.
      Anyway, I must admit, I&#39;ve been using Linux on two dedicated servers I maintain now, and whilst I did have some problems with one, while managing the other no problems have arisen - And it&#39;s super easy to install packages and all too. I must hand it to Linux - Installing servers has never been so much fun.

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      Yeah exactly, when it comes to servers, Linux kicks ass.

      My experience using Linux as an actual home computer, though, was not so kick ass.

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      THOUGHT OF THE DAY
      Which one do you think most people who use open source or have open source peddled to them care about more:
      • Free as in speech. "I can edit the program and contribute something to the open source model. This quite possibly requires me to know a programming language, have a lot of time on my hands to develop and also happen to be one of the (relatively few) people in the world who are able to code without making a mess of it."
      • Free as in free beer. "I can get this for free? Yeehaw, adios Windows&#33;"
      While the Free Software Foundation insists it&#39;s only the first one that open source actually is, the second one seems to come hand-in-hand a lot. But I wonder if Linux uptake would be as it is if they were making people pay for it?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaniaz View Post
      THOUGHT OF THE DAY[/b]
      Excellent thought of the day. You&#39;re gonna make me use my brain on this one huh? lol..

      I choose:
      • Free as in speech.

      With less dependence on vendors and the availability of the source code and the right to modify it is extremely important. Also having the right to redistribute modifications and improvements to the code, and to reuse other open source code, permits all the advantages due to the modifiability of the software to be shared by large communities. One of my favorite implemtations is that there is no one with the power to restrict in a unilateral way how the software is used, even in a retroactive way with no single entity on which the future of the software depends.

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      when I got "Segmentation fault" every time I tried to run a program
      that's usually caused by a badly written program.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pyrofan1 View Post
      that's usually caused by a badly written program.
      It's true, you have a pointer referencing something that it shouldn't be. There are a number of things that might be going wrong. You accidentally store a long in your pointer. You store your pointer in an int instead of ptr or long. Or you have an iterator that doesn't check for the null terminator. You are using an out-of-date compiler on a modern machine (32 bit on 64 bit.)

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