Thread: Windows Vista

There's no WAY I'm getting Vista. Not with all this new digital irghts management, copyright shit. Plus, who the hell wants a fancy new OS that does fuck-all anything important other than look pretty? I kept Windows 98 until last year on my games computer. It just used less resources. Sure, there were compatability problems, but seriously. For now, I'll stick with XP professional. XP has its problems, sure, but there's no WAY I'm going to upgrade needlessly to some stupid OS that requires double the resource drain, just to give me prettier graphics and protect digital fucking rights. Screw that.

Basically, I'd like to present Microsoft with a big Fuck Off I Like My Processing Power And Ram Thank You Very Fucking Much So Why Don't You Just Shove Your Silly New Vampire OS Where The Sun Don't Shine.

Look, here's the thing. I don't think that everyone should rush out right away and buy Vista as soon as it comes out, I don't think the improvements are worth $280 to most people, but god you guys are just pulling stuff out of your asses, making up reasons not to buy it, it's really irritating.

Originally Posted by The

There's no WAY I'm getting Vista. Not with all this new digital irghts management, copyright shit.[/b]

Where? So far I haven't seen any anti-piracy shit except some protection against pirating Windows itself. I successfully moved a good portion of my pirated music onto this computer and it hasn't had any trouble playing any of it, copying any of it, burning any of it to disk, hell it even lets me send shit to my friends through MSN messenger. It would be extremely foolish for Microsoft to get involved in protecting against music piracy, it's not their business. I don't know if you read digg or not but if you do, please refrain from doing so from now on.

Originally Posted by The

Plus, who the hell wants a fancy new OS that does fuck-all anything important other than look pretty?[/b]

My GFX card is really bad, and I don't get Aero. I still would take Vista over XP in a heartbeat, even without Aero. Even if Vista looked exactly the same as XP.

Originally Posted by The

Basically, I'd like to present Microsoft with a big Fuck Off I Like My Processing Power And Ram Thank You Very Fucking Much So Why Don't You Just Shove Your Silly New Vampire OS Where The Sun Don't Shine.
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Maya runs faster (renders alot faster too) and is more stable under Vista on my 2.8 ghz computer than under XP pro on my 3.2 ghz computer. No idea why, but I'm lovin it. I've found that I'm using this (slower processor, less ram) computer more often than my other one (beast, but old and has an inferior operating system [xp])

Look, it all just comes down to: There's just no WAY I'm going to "upgrade" to an OS that drains nearly TWICE the system resources as the old, in exchange for pretty graphics that, quite frankly, look gimmicky and pointless, and a few extra bells and whistles. XP does everything I need. Hell, fucking 98 did everything I needed, till microsoft pulled support and compatability.

I like my powerful new computer. I'm not going to waste resources I can use for games and other programs, for some stupid bloody pretty windows that are semi-transparent.

It would be extremely foolish for Microsoft to get involved in protecting against music piracy, it's not their business. I don't know if you read digg or not but if you do, please refrain from doing so from now on.[/b]

They already DO get involved. Media player, etc. And, it IS their business: if Microsoft manages, through a new OS, to make piracy harder, then that means that they can make all sorts of deals with legal music and video download sites and "middleman" companies that supply the means to access such media.

As for being able to pirate Vista? Meh. Somebody will do it.

I stand by what I said. the ONLY way Microsoft is going to get me to "upgrade" is at practical gunpoint, like they did with 98. Make it so IMPOSSIBLE for me to use my computer on the old OS, because of compatability problems and pulling support.

Basically, Fuck Microsoft. I can't go Linux because I'm just not skilled enough to make the most use of it. So, between Mac and Microsoft, it's basically a duopoly.

Too true

Originally Posted by The

I like my powerful new computer. I'm not going to waste resources I can use for games and other programs, for some stupid bloody pretty windows that are semi-transparent.[/b]

All of that is offloaded to the GPU, and the only time you're really using that is when you're playing games, which are full screen (no aero transparent windows), so the only time you need your GFX card is when Windows doesn't.

Originally Posted by The

They already DO get involved. Media player, etc. And, it IS their business: if Microsoft manages, through a new OS, to make piracy harder, then that means that they can make all sorts of deals with legal music and video download sites and "middleman" companies that supply the means to access such media.[/b]

Your only somewhat strong anti-Vista argument is that you won't be able to steal more software/music/movies? This isn't even valid, like I said, Vista hasn't had a problem with any of my pirated stuff, except for Flash MX (which is 5 years old, and it was a compatibility problem, not a piracy deal). Media player hasn't spat one song back out at me and yelled about DRM or anything, so I don't know where you're coming from.

Originally Posted by The

As for being able to pirate Vista? Meh. Somebody will do it.[/b]

Of course they will, it will be harder, but if there's a will theres a way. If you had a product that you sold, wouldn't you take measures to ensure that people didn't steal it?

Originally Posted by The

I stand by what I said. the ONLY way Microsoft is going to get me to "upgrade" is at practical gunpoint, like they did with 98. Make it so IMPOSSIBLE for me to use my computer on the old OS, because of compatability problems and pulling support.[/b]

Here's a list of programs that don't work on this computer, problems in parenthesis:
Flash MX (starts right after an install, but will never start again)
Sauerbraten (open source, says my GFX card is too old)
Google Earth (doesn't recognize OS, installer quits, I bet I could get it to work with some effort)
Ethereal (works, but can't find my ethernet card)

Now here's a list of the programs that do work copied from my programs list, problems in parenthesis:
7-Zip
Adobe After Effects 6.0 (runs like shit due to my 512 RAM)
Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0
Apache HTTP Server 2.0.59
Audacity 1.2.4
Azureus
Blender
DivX codec/player/stuff
FileZilla Server
Inkscape
iTunes 7 (buggy as shit, but it's the same on XP too)
J2SE Runtime Environment 5 (Java)
Maya 7.0
Microsoft Office Professional 2007 (Beta) (of course)
mIRC
Mozilla Firefox
Paint.NET 3
RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 (wouldn't even run on this computer with XP)
TeamSpeak 2
Trillian (crashes all the time, but that's because it's trillian)
Vim 7
WinDirStat
WinRAR

Originally Posted by The

Basically, Fuck Microsoft. I can't go Linux because I'm just not skilled enough to make the most use of it. So, between Mac and Microsoft, it's basically a duopoly.[/b]

Oh god don't go Linux. I suffered through that forever, I couldn't do anything with it besides play around with a web server. I could never get anything done, most of the time I was trying to get a program to work or searching for the program in the first place. Linux is like 10 years behind in technology, and almost all of the programs are underdeveloped pieces of crap. Mac's are almost just as worse, they only thing they can do is flaunt having a nice GUI that isn't even pretty. It's a fucking ugly grey milky bubbly piece of shit, I'd take windows classic theme over that anyday. Our school has a video editing station with Mac's... horrible. This next statement is for everybody who wants to get into video production:

Don't EVER let ANYBODY tell you that video editing on a Mac is better than on Windows.

But I'm off topic, I'll go do my homework now

Facts. Do you use them?

The answer is no, you don't.

I haven't seen any DRM. Ever. OK, so Hyperactive Linux Blogger might claim that you won't be able to budge an inch when you buy Vista and it will lock down all your music and you can't play DVD movies but that is just bullcrap. Microsoft are not stupid. They're not going to take a bullet for the media industry by shoving in DRM. DRM's a touchy subject (I want free music and I want it now!) but it's nowhere near as bad as, say, Sony sticking rootkits that compromise PC security on music discs.

They also know if they DRM their software to kingdom come then nobody is going to buy it. I'm not a market analyst, you're not a market analyst, but I think that's pretty obvious in the long run. They've probably enabled DRM more. That's true. I think the media companies lean on them enough. But somehow, I don't think Microsoft is exactly going out of their way to be "evil" or anything. I get the vibe you guys are just a little too fanatical in your claims about that. If that doesn't sastify you, the European Comission is all over Microsoft's shit. They are not going to perform some sort of DRM coup. If they do I will be very upset and stomp my feet until they reverse their decision.

And really Vista does not hog your resources, guys. There's a lot of memory managment changes you should read about before claiming anything of the sort. I mean come on, the last release was XP in 2000 or something. 6/7 years to the next release of an OS? Of course there's gonna be some spec rampup. I got Vista working just fine on 386~ MB RAM, no graphics card and a 1GHz processor. Okay, so I won't be playing Battlefield 2 or rendering super 4D glowing space cubes, but the baseline has not been ramped up at all that much.

Of course, as has been so eloquently put, "MICROSOFT SUCK!!!". Which is, you know, how they managed to get a monopoly and how they somehow ended up with some big brains like Bill Gates behind the scenes. They're not stupid. Although I'm not entirely confident they won't go out and make a big wonderful fat blunder and fuck up Vista.

I'll be buying Vista, though. I bet I can get it cheap if nobody else buys it. Go boycotts!

Bonjour Kaniaz!

Originally Posted by Kaniaz

And really Vista does not hog your resources, guys. There's a lot of memory managment changes you should read about before claiming anything of the sort. I mean come on, the last release was XP in 2000 or something. 6/7 years to the next release of an OS? Of course there's gonna be some spec rampup. I got Vista working just fine on 386~ MB RAM, no graphics card and a 1GHz processor. Okay, so I won't be playing Battlefield 2 or rendering super 4D glowing space cubes, but the baseline has not been ramped up at all that much.
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The whole point is that what if we want
to play BF games?? BF2142 runs like shit on my computer, and I'm well over the recommended specs. If I were to use Vista, this would completely nuke it! Vista's new looks are so stolen AND they stop me killing virtual stuff >

Of course, as has been so eloquently put, "MICROSOFT SUCK!!!". Which is, you know, how they managed to get a monopoly and how they somehow ended up with some big brains like Bill Gates behind the scenes. They're not stupid. Although I'm not entirely confident they won't go out and make a big wonderful fat blunder and fuck up Vista.

I'll be buying Vista, though. I bet I can get it cheap if nobody else buys it. Go boycotts!
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They got a monopoly from ignorant people believing there was no other way to use a computer than with Windows! Besides, I wouldn't count on a no-blunder release; they're so desperate for qualified computer programmers to work for them now.

Ok people
here's the deal

My main gripe is about DRM
but there's lots of other little things about Vista that concern me
but DRM is the big one

Search for "DRM" on slashdot, google, etc.
read up on it
make your own mind up

in a nut-shell
you are all criminals who pirate software and download music
DRM is therefore mandatory

But DRM is a small part
a component
It's bigger brother, is known as Trusted Computing

"trusted computing" means that the computer can be trusted by its designers and other software writers not to run unauthorized programs.[/b]

^^ re-read that, just in case you mis-understood it

The "designers" (AMD, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Infineon, Intel, Lenovo, Microsoft, and Sun Microsystems)
decide what is "authorised" and "unauthorised"
and "won't allow you" to "run" anything "they" consider "unauthorised"

Who's new computer is this?
who paid their money to buy it
You did

Who dictates what you can do with "Your" machine
"They" do

Make your own mind up
but while you do, please enjoy this intermission video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=K1H7omJW4TI


Tune in next week
when I'll be exploring the horrors of the different DRM standards cropping up

Originally Posted by Wolffe

They got a monopoly from ignorant people believing there was no other way to use a computer than with Windows![/b]

It's not their fault, you really think Microsoft would go out of their way to let it be known that there are alternatives (some free) to their product?

Originally Posted by MSG

It's not their fault, you really think Microsoft would go out of their way to let it be known that there are alternatives (some free) to their product?
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Considering they will never be as big as Windows; yes!
I reckon the main reason is 'cause they blatantly plagerise other software though. Anyway.

For piracy stuff, see http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/te...age-cracked.asp

Originally Posted by Wolffe

For piracy stuff, see http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/te...age-cracked.asp
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Ha
WGA gets cracked and patched every other week

Originally Posted by Ynot

Ha
WGA gets cracked and patched every other week
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I was really looking at it as a source for

Just today, Microsoft Watch stated "Come this fall, however, the Redmond software maker is planning to turn up the Genuine Advantage heat in two ways: By baking more Genuine Advantage checks directly into Windows Vista, and by taking aim at PC makers, system builders, Internet cafes and other sources of potentially pirated software."
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that, to show the non-believers :3

Indeed WGA does. I don't think Microsoft are stupid enough to believe they can destroy all piracy (and there is a certain amount of piracy that can actually be beneficial). I think the point is to make it harder. And, dear God, you know, I think they've done that.

As for 'trusted computing', I heard about that like six years ago. I'm not saying it's stupid to bring it up, though, the worry is genuine. I'm beginning to get a little skeptical about it, though - I was more worried at the time - because we're probably no closer to the horrible technological utopia they envision than we were back then. Unless it's all going to jump on at once, in which case, light the torches and hide the children!

Yeah it's going to become a little more difficult especially since MS will encourage people to have legal copies only allowing authorized versions of the software to receive security updates.

Originally Posted by Wolffe

Just today, Microsoft Watch stated "Come this fall, however, the Redmond software maker is planning to turn up the Genuine Advantage heat in two ways: By baking more Genuine Advantage checks directly into Windows Vista, and by taking aim at PC makers, system builders, Internet cafes and other sources of potentially pirated software."[/b]

that, to show the non-believers :3
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Tell me, what's so bad about WGA?

Originally Posted by MSG

that, to show the non-believers :3
Tell me, what's so bad about WGA?
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It stops people who for whatever reason cant afford to buy Windows licenses from using Windows. A mixed blessing if they lose the majority of users because Vista is too expensive to buy, but no one can get pirate copies.

Originally Posted by Wolffe

It stops people who for whatever reason cant afford to buy Windows licenses from using Windows.
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Exactly my point. Sorry buddy, if you can't afford windows, you don't get to use it.

Originally Posted by MSG

Exactly my point. Sorry buddy, if you can't afford windows, you don't get to use it.
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Funny, that company made soo much money mostly because most people had a pirate copy of their OS at home. Now, with a flip of a switch, they could loose it all.

Windows became the most popular OS and won over OS2 and unix because of it's familiarity. Now, if schools and poor people with cheap computers have to return to Unix, there could be a major switch in the market in a decade.

Originally Posted by MSG

Exactly my point. Sorry buddy, if you can't afford windows, you don't get to use it.
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Funny you lot say that, since last thing I heard, you were all using pirated betas!

[Edit] Oh dear god! They've applied the Vista style to the various Live betas already ;_;

Originally Posted by Wolffe

Funny you lot say that, since last thing I heard, you were all using pirated betas!

[Edit] Oh dear god! They've applied the Vista style to the various Live betas already ;_;
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Ehm, no, they are all real, authentic, downloaded from microsoft.com betas.

OK, now this is getting lame. Once again everyone thinks Microsoft doesn't realise simple business economics like "too high a price and nobody is going to buy that". Hi, I'm Bill Gates, and that totally escaped my mind and the thousands of staff we have.

EDIT: Yes. All the betas were legal. Well, "pirated beta" is sort of a oxymoron. Sort of.

Yeah, mine isn't illegal either. The microsoft BETA program is public now, and this installation I have now will expire on January 30th.

Oh and guys, for you people that OMG DUNT WANT 2 JEOPARDIZE WINXP PC CUZ VISTA R INSTABLE!!!11```HAXZ, try Microsoft Virtual PC.

Originally Posted by MSG

Yeah, mine isn't illegal either. The microsoft BETA program is public now, and this installation I have now will expire on January 30th.
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Fair enough then, I take it back ^^