Thread: Eternal life for all who will, has, and is living.

We'll never develop time travel; there's just no way. It defies the laws of physics.

Also, as for instantaneous space travel: again, impossible. And if it was possible, why would we do it? You're suggesting something faster than the speed of light. Our human bodies would not be able to handle that. Also, nothing in a vaccuum can travel faster than the speed of light unless it usually travels the speed of light.

Also, there'd be no possible way to "protect time;" there's no way short of being god that you can manipulate a timeline especially if you screwed it up. Use the bug example: if you go back to the dinosaurs and step on a bug, what'll happen? That bug won't evolve; that evolved creature won't evolve; it won't contribute to the things around it; etc. Now if you went back and plucked that bug out of time, it wouldn't be there. Nothing you can do short of full-human cloning (impossible -- you clone a cell and then it grows, that's how cloning works) would fix the timeline.

I truly believe there will never be a way society can manipulate these.

Originally Posted by b12

We'll never develop time travel; there's just no way. It defies the laws of physics.

Right...like all those other things that we thought could never happen...

Originally Posted by b12

Also, as for instantaneous space travel: again, impossible. And if it was possible, why would we do it? You're suggesting something faster than the speed of light. Our human bodies would not be able to handle that. Also, nothing in a vaccuum can travel faster than the speed of light unless it usually travels the speed of light.

Who said I was talking about going in a line?...There are plenty of theories out there on how to get from point a to point b without ever traveling the distance between the two. I'm not a moron...I actually do know general scientific knowledge like nothing can travel faster than the speed of light...

Originally Posted by b12

Also, there'd be no possible way to "protect time;" there's no way short of being god that you can manipulate a timeline especially if you screwed it up. Use the bug example: if you go back to the dinosaurs and step on a bug, what'll happen? That bug won't evolve; that evolved creature won't evolve; it won't contribute to the things around it; etc. Now if you went back and plucked that bug out of time, it wouldn't be there. Nothing you can do short of full-human cloning (impossible -- you clone a cell and then it grows, that's how cloning works) would fix the timeline.

Who said anything about fixing fudge ups?...I'm talking about NOT MAKING fudge ups...

and what about an area outside of time?...if there are other dimensions...then one could easily be protected from time.

As to full human cloning...that's exactly what I proposed...why state something that I already stated? What we are capable of now today is not what we will be capable of tomorrow.

Originally Posted by b12

I truly believe there will never be a way society can manipulate these.

Well that's all good and everything, and it may be true...but we know about little to next to nothing about the universe and how it works at the moment...and that's with the abundance of what we do know...I'm not writing this assuming its possible, i'm just saying look at the potential...Who knows what the future brings? Certainly not anyone alive today.

Is time travel possible... I don't know... but if it was, when you "went back" in time, you would not be going into your own dimension but another. One with a different turn of events. As a result, there are no paradoxes.

Originally Posted by Grod

Is time travel possible... I don't know... but if it was, when you "went back" in time, you would not be going into your own dimension but another. One with a different turn of events. As a result, there are no paradoxes.

yes i agree, if i were to go back in time and kill Hitler. Then this time line can't suddenly change, i assume i would create a new time line. Basically i believe there are an infinite number of parallel universes for every different event ( same day but my hair is 0.01mm shorter for example)that could possibly happen.

Though i think if you were to travel back in time there would be no way to go back to your own timeline... time travel is too cvomplex lol, but you'd arrive say 10seconds earlier then you left, there's now two of you...

ugh confusing stuff.

I do believe we eventually will have an alternate version of travel though, not through time but i think the speed of light, if not faster.( why does the speed of light HAVE to be the ultimate speed for anything? and why should it mean time travel. I mean i know the faster you go the slower you age, why? But if i went at the speed of light i'd be technically traveling to the future i suppose, but not really.. just not aging)

Also i think more likely we will be able to transplant a human brain into a biomechanical suit. Making it so the only way to die would be the brain itself decaying, but then there may be stem cell like treatments to avoid that.

Think of the Necrons from the PC game Dawn of War: Dark Crusade, lol, but without demon Gods.

I think time travel would be more like...once you travel through time...if you change something, your future no longer exists...

The whole traveling to a different demension with the same past as ours up to that point...why would such a demension even exist?

Travelling back in time is impossible, however going forth is not.

However, is might be possible that we can travel to another dimension, where the universe started later than ours, thus giving us the possibility to check out the past, with maybe no difference at all. It won't affect our present though.

Your idea is flawed though, and has really got no point. It's the fewest of people, who want to live forever. Maybe stay young forever, but not live forever and still get the bad sides of aging.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Travelling back in time is impossible, however going forth is not.

However, is might be possible that we can travel to another dimension, where the universe started later than ours, thus giving us the possibility to check out the past, with maybe no difference at all. It won't affect our present though.

Your idea is flawed though, and has really got no point. It's the fewest of people, who want to live forever. Maybe stay young forever, but not live forever and still get the bad sides of aging.

"live forever" doesn't mean be old...rejuvenation would be the key point in living forever....you would remain young.

Originally Posted by cuddleyperson

yes i agree, if i were to go back in time and kill Hitler. Then this time line can't suddenly change, i assume i would create a new time line. Basically i believe there are an infinite number of parallel universes for every different event ( same day but my hair is 0.01mm shorter for example)that could possibly happen.

Though i think if you were to travel back in time there would be no way to go back to your own timeline... time travel is too cvomplex lol, but you'd arrive say 10seconds earlier then you left, there's now two of you...

ugh confusing stuff.

I do believe we eventually will have an alternate version of travel though, not through time but i think the speed of light, if not faster.( why does the speed of light HAVE to be the ultimate speed for anything? and why should it mean time travel. I mean i know the faster you go the slower you age, why? But if i went at the speed of light i'd be technically traveling to the future i suppose, but not really.. just not aging)

Also i think more likely we will be able to transplant a human brain into a biomechanical suit. Making it so the only way to die would be the brain itself decaying, but then there may be stem cell like treatments to avoid that.

Think of the Necrons from the PC game Dawn of War: Dark Crusade, lol, but without demon Gods.

Right.... I was thinking of the word you use but all I could think of was a different dimension. You're right, it's parallel universe.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I think time travel would be more like...once you travel through time...if you change something, your future no longer exists...

The whole traveling to a different demension with the same past as ours up to that point...why would such a demension even exist?

No, because if you were to go "back in time" you would go to a parallel dimension.

A parallel universe is a universe very similar to our own, but different in some way. This was in Scientific American years ago, I don't feel like finding it.

Say right now instead of reading this you were in Senseless Banter.... There you go, a parallel dimension. A place where you made a different choice and thus something different happened. You're argument is flawed because if you went "back in time" you would be going to some parallel dimension where things were different somehow. So, your universe remains the same and you only changed that universes future.

So if you went "back in time" and killed your mother before she conceived, there would be no paradox because in your dimension this never happened and in the alternate one there is a world without you.

Grod is right. If you went back in time, and corrected, you wouldn't have to go back in time in the first place, thus you did not go back in time. However, this would defeat your change, and you would go back in time. It is impossible to change anything in the past, that'll stop you from doing something in the future, that makes you do your business in the past.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Grod is right. If you went back in time, and corrected, you wouldn't have to go back in time in the first place, thus you did not go back in time. However, this would defeat your change, and you would go back in time. It is impossible to change anything in the past, that'll stop you from doing something in the future, that makes you do your business in the past.

If you go back in time you are removed from your time...You are not still connected to that time...there would be no problem with killing your mother before you were concieved, because you are no longer in that timeline...its not like there is a magic string connected to you when you travel back in time that continues to connect you. If you returned to the future...no one would ever have heard of you...but you ( the being that traveled back in time) would still exist.

I.E. you kill yourself in the past...then it wouldn't matter...because you are no longer connected to the timeline...if someone else where to kill you in the past, while you were in the future...then it would matter...

You could go back in time...and then return, and then if someone else was in the past and did something to destroy the future that you returned to...then you would also be gone, because the future that you were present in would be destroyed. Why do you automatically assume that the only way to "travel back in time" is to travel to a parallel universe?

Wouldn't someone eventually (even if it's in 8 billion years or more) go back to our time and tell us about it? If human life went on for eternity, I think time travel would eventually be abused. And if there were infinite people in the future that would have time travel technology, they'd probably all eventually take a trip to our current time, and we would have infinite people here right now.

Originally Posted by Jeremysr

Wouldn't someone eventually (even if it's in 8 billion years or more) go back to our time and tell us about it? If human life went on for eternity, I think time travel would eventually be abused. And if there were infinite people in the future that would have time travel technology, they'd probably all eventually take a trip to our current time, and we would have infinite people here right now.

I wouldn't know...I would assume only those in power would use the abilities...also, social progression would also happen by then, hopefully people will not be as big as bastards as they are today. Those in power would also do things to protect such things...it would be very doubtful that they would allow anyone to "take a trip" to the past...

There's no way to know this of course but I think it's likely that they would be bored with life. Eventually they would have no reason to live. They would discover everything about our Universe and whatever might be outside it. The only mystery that'd be left to discover would be death. That's my opinion.

Originally Posted by Jeremysr

Wouldn't someone eventually (even if it's in 8 billion years or more) go back to our time and tell us about it? If human life went on for eternity, I think time travel would eventually be abused. And if there were infinite people in the future that would have time travel technology, they'd probably all eventually take a trip to our current time, and we would have infinite people here right now.

Have you read anything we've said here?

If someone in the future were to come to the past, they would go to an alternate dimension. They wouldn't come to ours. That future would be affected obviously, in profound ways and the outcome would be much different.

That doesn't even make sense because this would have already happened. That is thinking there is only one timeline, and it goes past -----> future

Edit: Oh, and why is this in Tech Talk anyway?

Originally Posted by Sandform

Alright this is just something i've been thinking about recently...now bare with me because its a little sketchy.

Lets say...in 300 years...we develop the ability to live forever...but what about those who are dead?

Well lets say in 2000 years we develop time travel abilities and safety techniques to protect time. We could then therefore remove people from time the instant they died and replace them with a replica that had everything that they had...except it was never alive to begin with, it was already dead when compiled, therefore we are not depriving it of life.

But wait! Where do we put all these people you say? Well lets say that sometime between now and 2000 years from now (or however long these abilities may take) we develop instantaneous space travel...We could change the planets we live on to suite our needs...

Well thats all great and everything but what about when we fill every planet in the universe up? Well I haven't thought that far...maybe there is something to (help me out with the name here) Sloan's multi verse theory in which there are numerous universe...if we developed dimension travel we could host people for eternity, since in this particular theory, universe are continuously created.

Of course by then medical techniques will be so advanced that we can heal every person of every disease or deformity they may have had...and hopefully we can heal the mentally handicapped as well.

I wasn't really sure where this should be put...butI figured that this is a tech thing...so maybe techy people can think about this and reply.

Interesting post, I've toyed with similar ideas (though more developed and sophisticated) in my short stories.

Originally Posted by Grod

Have you read anything we've said here?

If someone in the future were to come to the past, they would go to an alternate dimension. They wouldn't come to ours. That future would be affected obviously, in profound ways and the outcome would be much different.

That doesn't even make sense because this would have already happened. That is thinking there is only one time line, and it goes past -----> future

Edit: Oh, and why is this in Tech Talk anyway?

Why would an alternate reality with exact copies of our history even exist? What is the logic behind that...Why do you assume that the only way to "travel back in time" is to go to a parallel dimension?

The idea that there is a parallel universe out there with an exact copy of our history except later in time is very unlikely....why would such a place exist? Obviously if such a thing does exist, then there would be a reason...but I see no reason to automatically stipulate that such a thing does exist, and is the only alternate to time travel.

Perhaps it is impossible to travel back in time...but why must you assume that it is? Who would have ever thought that you could fit thousands of books worth of information into a tiny little computer 200 years ago?

Who would have thought we could land on the moon?

Who would have thought that we could cure the various diseases we've been able to cure?

Who would have thought that We could travel below the ocean surface miles below sea level?



Don't stipulate that a thing can't happen...or that if it does happen, it can only happen one way, because you couldn't possibly know.

I'm certainly not saying it is going to happen, but why not think about it and try for it one day?... Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it is impossible...though if it is impossible than it is impossible...doesn't mean we can't try and know for sure though!

(and its in tech talk cause I figure brainiacs free reign about here.)

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If we found a way to harnass the 4th dimension then "apparentally" instentaneous space travel and possibly time travel could be possible. In the second dimension you can travel instantaneously from on epoint to another by using the third dimension, so it would make sense we could do the same here through the fouth one. If the fourth dimension is duration as so many have proposed then that makes things look even more hopeful. I have absolutely no idea how the hell we could possibly do that though. But going back to the eternal life thing, I think people need to die. Eternal life might be possible but how would we cope with over-population among other things? Aside from that I guess it could be a posotive thing because it would make the population wiser and stuff.

Originally Posted by Idolfan

Eternal life might be possible but how would we cope with over-population among other things?

Other planets that we change the landscape for...and if other universe exist, as in the multiverse theory where multiple universe do exist, if we ever found a way to gain access, then there would be room for everyone.

Originally Posted by Sandform

If you go back in time you are removed from your time...You are not still connected to that time...there would be no problem with killing your mother before you were concieved, because you are no longer in that timeline...its not like there is a magic string connected to you when you travel back in time that continues to connect you. If you returned to the future...no one would ever have heard of you...but you ( the being that traveled back in time) would still exist.

I.E. you kill yourself in the past...then it wouldn't matter...because you are no longer connected to the timeline...if someone else where to kill you in the past, while you were in the future...then it would matter...

You could go back in time...and then return, and then if someone else was in the past and did something to destroy the future that you returned to...then you would also be gone, because the future that you were present in would be destroyed. Why do you automatically assume that the only way to "travel back in time" is to travel to a parallel universe?

Matter can not be created nor destroyed. Only changed. If matter from the future got transported to the present, there would automagically be a bond and if the first mass gets stopped from transforming into you (ie. you kill yourself/your mother in the past), you will seize to exist, since your energy can't just mysteriously disappear from the future.

Unless you're willing to break the laws of thermodynamics, that is.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Matter can not be created nor destroyed. Only changed. If matter from the future got transported to the present, there would automagically be a bond and if the first mass gets stopped from transforming into you (ie. you kill yourself/your mother in the past), you will seize to exist, since your energy can't just mysteriously disappear from the future.

Unless you're willing to break the laws of thermodynamics, that is.

Your energy still exists...it just isn't alive. It's just the actions of energy that changes.

What do you mean "it still exists"?

Originally Posted by Marvo

What do you mean "it still exists"?

I mean if you die your body is still on Earth, it just decomposes, your not destroying it.

you aren't destroying the future...your just changing its course.

Btw could we stop talking about this. Lol I don't think anyone here is even half assed qualified to talk about the specifics of time travel =P