Thread: EU & US Vs. Microsoft

Originally Posted by ninja9578

IE sucks so bad. I'm using Chrome and Safari when I'm on windows at work.

I don't think that they have much of a browser stranglehold. Almost every PC user installs iTunes and Safari usually come with iTunes. Google is the most popular search engine and people know that they make a browser.

That's where you're wrong, actually. I rarely see iTunes on PCs, because anyone stupid enough to buy an iPod is also stupid enough to waste money on a Mac. Safari is also shit, and most Windows users use Firefox or IE. IE actually still dominates the market share of browsers, with IE 7 and 8 put together. Firefox is in second. Chrome is not popular at all. Google doesn't do much but advertise it on YouTube, and most people just close it out and ignore it. Chrome is one of the least popular browsers, only barely more used than Opera.

Thought I'd resurrect this, seeing as Groklaw are cataloging the court evidence in the Comes Vs. Microsoft case
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...09122612211929

The "Admitted Exhibits of Interest" have some real juicy stuff in them

Additionaly the plaintiff highlighted on their website some "Admitted Exhibits of Interest" [all PDFs]

• PX 9695: Please review RE Linux Compete
• PX 9685: Eduation and Government Incentives Program (EDGI)
• PX 6105: Bill Gates - Security as a lock-in
• PX 7175: Jim Allchin Roundtable (GPL, Linux)
• PX 9280: Bill Veghte, Paul Flessner, Brian Valentine, RE: Goldman Sachs Linux Panel
• PX 7255: Jim Allchin - Scenario Leadership
• PX 7278: Jim Allchin - Mac OS X "Tiger" - 10.4
• PX 3096: Evangelism is War.ppt and other misc. DRG slides / memos
• PX 7264: Jim Allchin Email re: losing our way...
• PX 8636: Jim Allchin RE: media players
• PX 2456: Transcript of tape recorded at: DRG Summit-January 16, 1996; Power Evangelism and Relationship Evangelism; Presented by James Plamondon and Marshall Goldberg

Damn, I'm gonna defend Microsoft on this one *shutters*. Microsoft can make any API that they want private, it's their API, as long as they don't completely shut out the hooks into Windows someone else can make a public (and most likely better) API.

What's this about PDF though? Microsoft didn't invent PDF, Adobe did.


Also, didn't know why Ynot didn't mention this: The Supreme Court upheld the ruling on the XML case with the Candian company, they have about two weeks to pull Office with docx formatting off of the shelves. Rumor is that they're going to release a different Office 07 without it in leu of waiting for Office '10 to be released.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Damn, I'm gonna defend Microsoft on this one *shutters*. Microsoft can make any API that they want private, it's their API, as long as they don't completely shut out the hooks into Windows someone else can make a public (and most likely better) API.

The above is the evidence presented at the Comes Vs. Microsoft case (filed in Iowa, US), and relates to MS's overcharging for software and services

http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/14/mic...microsoft.html

The case hung around for seven years before being settled out of court in 2007

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Also, didn't know why Ynot didn't mention this: The Supreme Court upheld the ruling on the XML case with the Candian company, they have about two weeks to pull Office with docx formatting off of the shelves. Rumor is that they're going to release a different Office 07 without it in leu of waiting for Office '10 to be released.

At the moment, there's nothing really to say on this
It all hangs on what MS actually does with Word
There's (as ever) wild speculation, but the deadline is 11th January 2010, for MS to strip Word of the offending features (relating to OOXML)

Originally Posted by Ynot

The above is the evidence presented at the Comes Vs. Microsoft case (filed in Iowa, US), and relates to MS's overcharging for software and services

Oh
*kicks Safari's Summarize Service*

Oh well, at least now people are starting to realize how much MS overcharges by. Now that Apple is selling similar software for a 5th of the price and Open Source software is getting more powerful and popular, Microsoft either has to change their business model, or do an IBM.

Originally Posted by Ynot

At the moment, there's nothing really to say on this
It all hangs on what MS actually does with Word
There's (as ever) wild speculation, but the deadline is 11th January 2010, for MS to strip Word of the offending features (relating to OOXML)

I thought it was more or less confirmed that they intended to release an "update" which replaced the parts that were affected by the illegal code.