Thread: More Vista trouble

I'm buying nothing for now...I'm a poor boy. Computer-wise.

Oh well, I'm sure you've got computer labs.

"Bill Gates turned 50 this week, I was going to send him an e-card but I couldn't get my Windows Vista to Work" - Jay Leno

Hahahahaha!

Vista fail.

Lol ninja, awesome quote.

Paraphrasing, as I can't find the actual quote

Jeremy Allison - Google employee and lead Samba developer

Listening to Windows users complaining about their platform, is like watching someone wade through a sewer. They're down there complaining about the filth and muck (viruses, and whatnot)
All the while, you're watching them from the sidewalk, and you're like "Why are you down there? You don't have to be. Just come up here, and walk on the sidewalk"

That's as good one too, just less funny.

Are DirectX games like Crysis and all Steam games compatible with the sidewalk?

Originally Posted by Marvo

Are DirectX games like Crysis and all Steam games compatible with the sidewalk?

games are almost a non-issue

this is productive computing,
not leisure

as I've said before

Originally Posted by Ynot

got to disagree with you

Games will go where the largest audience is
be that Windows, Linux, Mac, or consoles

Ironically, 7-8 years ago there were a fair number of Linux games on the shelves of stores
Most were ported by Loki Software

But really, gamers are a minority
We need the business users (and we're getting them)

Once we're up to 5% market share (about 3-4% currently) then games may start coming (natively) to Linux

Again, games will go where the largest audience is
but I don't think games (as a software genre) has the weight to affect OS choice

gamers will go where the games are
games will go where the largest audiences are
the largest audience is professional work related computing

games will pop up on any platform
there's no technical restrictions
The crux, is work related computing

Marvo: You can use WINE for Steam, buddy.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Are DirectX games like Crysis and all Steam games compatible with the sidewalk?

Very few companies use DirectX, there's just too small of a market for it.

I'm not about to go through learning how WINE works and crawl forums with commands, just so I can play games with bad performance and graphics. Until developers like Valve, Adobe and Blizzard start developing for Linux, I'm not changing operating system.

I gave Linux another chance some time ago on my laptop, and it was still shit. Couldn't really get anything to work with WINE, performance wasn't stunning, my battery was getting sucked dry within 30 minutes and the system generally seems more complicated than windows. By more complicated, I mean that Windows gives you a lot more easy to understand information, whereas on Linux you'll have to talk to people on forums and whatnot.

Linux is for Developers, OSX is for people. It's soooo much easier to use than windows, everything is right where you're expect it to be and all apps work exactly the same way.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Linux is for Developers, OSX is for people. It's soooo much easier to use than windows, everything is right where you're expect it to be and all apps work exactly the same way.

I haven't used one of the newest apple products...but there quite a few things that annoy me with Macs at my school. I'm not sure how old they are, but there are things that really annoy me...and sometimes I just don't know how people say "Photoshopping is better on a Mac than a PC."

I mean, I've been using a mac for a few years now at my school, and I'm a quick learner, but it's these little things that always get me when I'm trying to photoshop on a mac.

Like for instance, the desktop. I hate how all the program icons are in the taskmenu thing at the bottom (or on any other side, it's just that thing they're in). Whenever I'm trying to photoshop and go near the bottom, I will sometimes move my mouse over the taskmenu and accidentally click on a program and open it up. Now, that may just be a problem of my own, but I think some will agree that thats a problem with macs.

Again, it may just be my school's computers that suck with that taskmenu thing, but when I use Photoshop on my Windows XP, I don't have to worry about accidently selecting the desktop to minimize Photoshop, or click on a program on my taskbar since everything is on the desktop.

But then again...I am using a Windows XP, which is a bagillion times better than Vista imo.

Photoshop was better on the Mac because it was 64-bit and the Win version was 32 bit, much much faster for image manipulation. Now they've completely swapped that, the Mac version is 32 bit and slow as fuck while the windows version is 64 and faster I like the layout much better on the Mac, all the useful toolbars and windows are right up at the top with the menu.

Might I recommend autohiding the dock?

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Photoshop was better on the Mac because it was 64-bit and the Win version was 32 bit, much much faster for image manipulation. Now they've completely swapped that, the Mac version is 32 bit and slow as fuck while the windows version is 64 and faster I like the layout much better on the Mac, all the useful toolbars and windows are right up at the top with the menu.

Might I recommend autohiding the dock?

I've tried auto-hiding the dock but I still manage to put my mouse down far enough for it to come up and annoy me XD

What do you mean the useful toolbars and menu is right at the top? You mean where you can select File/Edit/Image etc.?

Windows has that too .__.

Strange, here I am using RocketDock to emulate the Mac Dock.

I dunno, I never have that problem, slayer. I'm not sure on Mac, but can't you alter the show/hide time in milliseconds or something? I can with mine on Windows... That way it only shows if I hover at the right spot for the right amount of time. I've got it set so it's just right and ntuitive for me personally. Because I don't like having to show the desktop just to find my program icons.

Originally Posted by slayer

I've tried auto-hiding the dock but I still manage to put my mouse down far enough for it to come up and annoy me XD

What do you mean the useful toolbars and menu is right at the top? You mean where you can select File/Edit/Image etc.?

Windows has that too .__.

No, I mean the feathering options, the tools. I don't remember photoshop in windows, but doesn't it also have a menu in every single window instead of one nice clean one at the top? that's annoying as fuck.

Originally Posted by Man of Steel

Strange, here I am using RocketDock to emulate the Mac Dock.

I like RocketDock, I have it at work.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

No, I mean the feathering options, the tools. I don't remember photoshop in windows, but doesn't it also have a menu in every single window instead of one nice clean one at the top? that's annoying as fuck.

I think I know what you're trying to say, and the Photoshop for windows is very similar to that of Macs.

The only difference is that on Windows, you have a background on it, and on Macs, you don't (unless you full-screen, but then you don't have those little bars to move your image around. I assume you can still use the hand tool, but I never use that tool. It's the same with Windows if you full-screen.)

And this really surprises me when I see people using Photoshop on Windows. They never know how to minimize one image. They know how to do it on a Mac, but they never look right under the red X to notice the minimize and close button for the picture they're working with.

They always seem to close out of Photoshop, then open it back up...I'm always having to tell people in my school that they don't have to close out of Photoshop just to open another image...

Then again, our teacher who uses the Macs tells us to always quit out of Photoshop before opening a new picture...she tells us that for every program we use. It's really annoying...sometimes I don't think she knows what she's talking about...

And there is only one menu bar with all the options like feathering and stuff. It carries over to all other images your working on just like a Mac.

I also hate that Windows has no differentiation between closing a window and closing an application. Why is it that when I close the AIM window on Windows, the whole program stops? That's just stupid. If I wanted to quit the program, I would.

It's probably just the people who made the AIM program itself. Things like MSN, Limewire, and Steam will still be running when you hit the X button at the top.

Have you tried pressing the little minimize button at the top? Some programs (like MSN, Limewire, Steam) will appear as an icon in the little corner where it shows the time if you click the X button. I'm assuming you don't have a problem with using Firefox (or IE) on a windows, since it doesn't need to load up or anything when you click the X button.

But things like Internet Explorer and Chrome disappear completely if you close the window. Minimizing it puts it on the taskbar, it doesn't close the window, it still wastes processing power.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

But things like Internet Explorer and Chrome disappear completely if you close the window. Minimizing it puts it on the taskbar, it doesn't close the window, it still wastes processing power.

So what happens if you close a window in OSX?

I'm not really sure what your trying to say?

I think I get what your saying...in a Mac, if you open up IE, it opens up the entire program, and from there, you can open multiple windows. So if you close out of all the windows, the IE program itself is still running right? That sounds like it would be wasting power to me.

Originally Posted by Man of Steel

So what happens if you close a window in OSX?

Exactly what you'd expect, the window closes. But the program stays open. No, closing the window doesn't waste power, you would quit the program if you weren't doing something. It's nice to listen to music without an iTunes window open, or it's nice to let a Blender animation or a Quicktime export run without any windows open.