I have done that in a LD. It is weird how you cannot see but you still can perceive where you are like some other sense is at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by LawPaw
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I have done that in a LD. It is weird how you cannot see but you still can perceive where you are like some other sense is at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by LawPaw
Almost had a WILD this morning. It was 11:30 AM and I got the visuals and vibrations. But after some time I was carried away because I tried to force my brain to create the dream I want. The thing is, i don't remember myself lying in bed before it. Indirect technique almost worked, though not consciously...
I don't remember how, but after I attempted this technique a few vague times this morning, I found myself in a DILD. Coincidence or not, I'll keep trying for a WILD or whatever the term would be for this
Finally, this last night I had 2 very interesting LDīs using this technique. Itīs been a very long time since I had my last LDīs... Iīll stay with this technique, itīs working wonders for me, Iīm even getting a lot of sleep paralysis, something I couldnīt with other techniques.
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Thanks Mcwillis :)
Tell me, do you think itīs possible to phase after a full night rest (8 - 10 hours of sleep), when we feel completely refreshed? Raduga says itīs possible to phase in this condition but I didnīt have the chance to try by myself yet.
I find the style of this book painful, but it's very, very useful, and I see daily progress in my WILDing attempts. Thank you, mcwillis.
You could read the workbook instead as it is easier to read than the textbook, and then go back to the textbook for further clarification :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cuckoo
You could, but after that much sleep you might not be able to go back to sleep again when you do WBTB :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sahashara
I will try to read this book after I finish reading my current one, which is "Exploring the world of Lucid Dreaming".
Speaking of which, has anyone tried out the book I'm reading? Any thoughs on it? I'm about halfway through and I've learned some valuable info. Still no LDs from it though.
I personally really enjoy that book. I think it is the standard for lucid dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyance
Funny Enough, I did the exact thing coincidentally a few days before reading the book.
I woke up in the middle of the nigh, and then considered getting up. I felt a bit lazy so I diddn't. Then I heard the high pitched noise, and thought "hmm, I have had this before in SP attempts, stay still"(in the book, it is called Listening In). They got quite intense, and it felt as if the sound engulfed my body :P
Next thing I know, I'm in exactly the same place, but its broad daylight. I diddn't know what to do so i just spent the whole time walking through walls and things xD
Thanks for the tip dude ! I've downloaded it and it is a VERY good book. It doesn't only feature indirect techniques (DEILD), but also direct techniques, dream conciousness etc. I really advice it to everyone reading this
Again, thanks for the tip :D
Will try and post results this weekend...
Well the books represent ten years of working with thousands of people to give us precise instructions for practical results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyguy
Statistics from the 3 day seminars conducted in London, England:
Average results for a 3-day seminar: 40-70% of participants enter the phase(OBE, lucid) from 1 to 6 times. For centuries, it was believed that this practice required many years of training — now only a couple of days are needed! Awesome!!!
I'm going to fry and go back to this technique. It worked for me but for some reason I stopped. This worked onnce for me but I think I should start this again. :)
hey mcwillis,
I have a question..I downloaded the ebook from his website, but I got two files. You always refer to a 'workbook' and a 'textbook'. Which is which? I only have School_of_Out-of-Body_Travel and Ultimate_Yoga_The_Technology_of_the_2012_Transform ation. Then I have another question...I tried it today, and even remembered not to move upon waking up. But I woke up in a position where I had difficulties breathing, and so I couldn't quiet concentrate on the techniques, do you know if I could do anything about that, besides telling my body to wake up in the right position?
Thank you for the reference. This is amazing reading material. :)
School_of_Out-of-Body_Travel - TextbookQuote:
Originally Posted by Marsupilama
Ultimate_Yoga - Workbook
Ive had that problem before. If you are very uncomfortable move into a better position. Your chances are greatly reduced but you can start with 5-10 seconds of forced falling asleep. Then do 15 seconds phantom wiggling, then 15 seconds listening in, then 15 seconds observing images. If nothing happens then do 4 cycles of 3-5 Indirect Techniques of 3-5 seconds duration as normal for each Indirect technique.
Very good material in these books for sure. Just need to be more strict with doing it, is my problem. None the less, the reading is well worth it, just to get another idea/approach. More tools for the belt.
mcwillis, thanks for your answer, and thanks for bringing this technique to my attention!
I wanted to finish the whole book by the end of this week, to get started on the technique next week. But I figured waking up without movement is crucial, so I decided to start practicing that already. I have an app that wakes me up and goes into snooze after 5 seconds. It worked like 2 or 3 times but I wasn't able to enter the phase. Then, the day before yesterday, I woke up from the alarm and was still really tired. But I thought hey, you might as well just go for it. I tried seperation first, which didn't work. Then phantom wiggling, which didn't work either. Then I tried imagining a sensation and all of the sudden, my body started to vibrate and I was like whow, wtf, nice! I knew seperation was not possible yet, but then I heard a hypnagogic sound and I immediatelly switched techniques to listening in and tried to amplify the sound. But instead the vibrating just got stronger and somehow I had a feeling, that seperation was possible now. I told myself well, all or nothing now, and tried to seperate by lifting my upper body up (I was laying on my chest). And it worked! I wasn't seperated all the way yet, but I knew, when I open my eyes now, I will see myself lying in bed in front of me. So I opened my eyes and there I was lying in front of me :D:D
I got up and had a very crisp lucid dream (first one within 2 years, second one total), that lasted 15-20 dream minutes (7 minutes in WL, I checkt alarm clock after waking up) in which I was able to recall some goals and tried to accomplish them! Even though I didn't use any of the deepening techniques (I didn't know that at the time).
yesterday I woke up without movement around 9 but I couldn't enter the phase since I heard ppl running around and it was pretty bright. And today I had another shot, but for some reason it didn't work. I remembered the dream I just awoke from and the last thing I did in the dream was using a remote. And after waking up I still felt this sensation in my hand...for some reason tho I wasn't able to move my hand. I think I could've done more cycles but I was too lazy so I only did two :roll:
Still, I'm gonna study all of the techniques more intensly, to have a bigger arsenal!
:woohoo: By the way an alarm reduces your chance of success by 50-75 %Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsupilama
Four cycles is the minimum. Nothing may happen for the first three and then bam! an Indirect Technique will work on the fourth cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsupilama
Yes intense study will yield the best practical results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsupilama
Is there a chapter or a specific part in the book where he describes why ? I mean, since this techinique doesn't require REM, I don't see why I should let my body wake me up at the proper time all by itself?! Plus, if I WBTB after 5-6h of sleep and use an alarm clock for I-WILD, I can generate 4 wake-up situations...so even if there is a loss of 50-75%, that should cover for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
Thank you mcwillis! After only a couple of days training i woke up this morning without moving and immediatly started phantom wiggling. I then did rotation and last listening in. I started to hear things and tried to make it louder but that did'nt work and then BAM, a picture appered before my eyes and i was standing in my room.
I had the longest lucid dream of my life which lasted for like 5-10 minutes. It was so real that i did multiple nose rcs, and was thinking that this can't be a dream because it looks like reality! What finally convinced me was when i decided to try to press my finger through my hand. I got the change to eat my first dream burger which tasted really fresh and good. I grounded myself in the dream by looking at my hands and putting my head outside my window to feel the cold air outside.
Even that i did not got the chance to go somewhere it was still a big step on the way. Now i just need to find myself a good teqnique to teleport myself. Going through a wall have not worked for me yet, i just end up in blackness. I think the next time i will try to close my eyes and run, it have worked for me before.