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I have the same situation except for the realized dream part. Mostly just a lot of wierd dreams and agitated movements when I'm awake. It seems to be bothering me that I'm not being successful, and the more I read the book, the more questions I have, especially when I try and have such resounding failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfer
I'm not sure that anyone even got my last reply but I am hoping. My thing is I think that I have had "almost WILDS" a lot but never really knew they had a name until someone turned me on to this website. Now after hearing that people are trying to think of time and things before they get into that faze might be a mistake. It's easy to lose the naturalness of it all. If you are thinking of structure when you are falling asleep couldn't that be detrimental to the initial purpose?
The lucid you had was a DILD. I don't understand why you have stopped reading the book. It is crucial to read and re-read the book as you will most likely make mistakes and hamper your progress. Can I ask why you can't do WBTB? What are you trying at night? If it is Indirect Techniques then don't do them at night, it is extremely unlikely that they will work and you will just be arresting any progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfer
Quote me if I am wrong but I believe I asked you to post exactly what you are doing from start to finish so that I can see exactly what you are doing and pinpoint any blatant mistakes you are making. The above statement you have made does not make any sense, on the contrary it should answer your questions. Have you read the workbook yet as it is easier to digest than the textbook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2
From what you have just said I can clearly see that you haven't studied the textbook or the workbook. You are not to do this whilst falling asleep, if you do you will set yourself up for failure. Moongrass had another attempt at this and had immediate success because he is clearly studying the source material. When you say 'time and things' what do you mean as there is something of fundamental importance that you don't understand? Describe exactly what you are doing and I will see what mistakes you are making guaranteeing your failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyer62
This thread is LEGIT it will work you just have to read the book. Last night I applied the same methods but sadly I forget to separated myself from my body to have an OBE so it did nothing and I fell back asleep. But it will work that was only my first night and I just read 25 pages the 20minutes before I fell asleep. This is very simple to learn and it come with great rewards. ;) Its also free :)
Yeah you did, and I replied my technique. I'm sorry for the outburst, it was late and I'm really getting annoyed at how little time I have to practice this thing and when I do have time I'm so obsessed to the point of agitation with getting it to work, that I fail. I'll be getting an alarm clock so that I can set my phone to one that does not keep ringing, that way I won't risk missing work but can have a set time to dedicate to practicing every morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
Being agitated is going to be detrimental. I was like that a couple of years ago and it was really counterproductive. I used an alarm for the first few weeks of this method and I failed miserably. I ignored Mr. Raduga's words and decided that I couldn't awaken without moving so I made a custom alarm clock that worked well in waking me and I was able to stay still but the sound stimulus ruined the state of mind necessary for success and I failed. It was only until I decided to be patient and do everything by the book that the method started to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2
wow, never knew that was there, haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
Yeah I know what you mean. I'm only going to have my continuous alarm for my work wake up time, but I'm gonna have a one-ring alarm like in crazyinsane's technique to wake me up after 6 hours. While following the other instructions in the book of course. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
Well he says you can still succeed but with diminished chances of success. I take it that you are unable to go to bed a few hours early the night before so that you can have plenty of time to do it by the book the next morning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2
Well not really, I enjoy my free time. You're saying that even a single-shot alarm will be bad for my chances? I can't very well start sleeping my life away just to try for a WILD can I?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
Well do you want to have free time the night before or do you want to go to bed a few hours earlier so that you can have lucid dreams before work? I'm not being pedantic, just trying to gauge how much you really want to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2
An alarm won't diminish your chances of success as long as you don't try to WILD when it goes off. In otherwords, I believe it is acceptable and even recommended to set an alarm for 6 hours after you fall to sleep, get up completely (go to the bathroom, ect.), then go back to sleep with the intention of waking up without moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
I would just avoid wasting energy trying to WILD after an alarm wake up.
What I try to do is to set an alarm for 6 hours (which rings for 15 seconds). I then wake up without moving and try to immediately separate. If I can't, then I just get up and go to the bathroom or get a drink of water. Then I go back to bed with my alarm set for a time necessary to get to work at a decent hour (my work schedule is flexible).
You will certainly be better off waking up based purely on intention because the body knows best when to wake up. I wouldn't waste too much effort WILD'ing after an alarm wake up, but it takes little effort to attempt a separation and you are most likely going to separate in the first few seconds anyway.
Yes and no. In my experience focusing on the structure won't work, but you need the structure to be successful. The key is getting enough practice so that you structure your attempts with absolutely no thought about the structure itself. It becomes second nature. That is the key to success.
The structure is means to an end, not the end itself. Like Raduga says, about 25% of the successful times you won't even need it. You can just seperate immediately after waking up without moving.
I always wake up without moving now, even when I'm not trying to WILD. It's just part of my routine now.
P.S. It was very helpful yesterday. I had the stomach flu, so I spent most of the day in bed. I didn't try to WILD at all, but waking up without moving kept me in a state of SP sufficient that I couldn't feel any of the sickness in my gut. I could lie there for over 10 minutes before I even got a hint of how sick my body was. Most of the time I fell back asleep in this time period. It helped me get more rest than normal, which I think helped me get better faster.
I think I should print this book out, page by page and bind it into a little book or put it into a map.
Reading, especially about Lucid Dream Techniques, I prefer to do with a book in bed.
I need to learn more about "the phase" and how to achieve it, before I can start practicing it.
I think you misunderstand me. Yes, use an alarm to wake up after 6 hours. Then stay up for a while. How long depends on your level of sleep resistance and ability to fall back to sleep again. Then Mr. Raduga says go back to bed and implement Indirect Techniques when you awaken naturally, without any alarm, over the next two to four hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by LawPaw
It's got more to do with spending time with my family. I do want to do this, but because my only successes with WILD's were with crazyinsane's methods, I tend to think it might work for me again, that's all, that and I wake up to early to spend any time with my family at all as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
I see. Yes of course family must come first. In that case make the best of your situation. Good luck :)
Do you have any days off where you can go to bed earlier or get up earlier? Even if you can only practice this method once or twice a week it would be beneficial.
Yeah I've got the weekends. I'll be doing it the way suggested at those times, but I kinda hoped I could do it throughout the week as well. Oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by LawPaw
Once you have gained success at the weekends then you could progress to doing it at the end of REM cycles during the night throughout the week. I find these excellent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge_Maximus2
Yeah those are the times I try to practice. They work the best for me but latly (well this is only my 2nd night) I haven't been able to wake up to be still so I guess I have to work on that. The first night I did it I imeditly did Phantom Wrigling for 5 seconds and freed my left leg. Then I made a rookie mistake. I was going for and OBE but I forgot to to the separation technique :shock: From there on out I have been having a hard time waking up without moving. I think part of it is because my mantra is to long "I will wake up after every one of my dreams with my eyes closed and I will not move a muscle" What mantras did you use (if any) to not move when you woke up? Thanks this is a great technique. My goal is to wake up without moving by the end of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
My mantra is, 'When I wake up I will keep my body perfectly still.' Obviously we have to make an affirmation that is comfortable to us. Yes ideally it is best to keep it short and to the point. Thank Mr. Raduga!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by army0193
Yes Thanks Mr Raduga!! And thank you for posting this technique on DV:)