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i watched his video series and despite the computer voice they are really great so ta again. i tried adding a smell and taste visualisation to the cycle last night and it was pretty effective for an attempt before sleepQuote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
The seminar video I was referring to he speaks in English as he does quite a few seminars in the USA.
Mr. Raduga vehemently opposes attempting to enter a lucid dream or an OBE with Indirect Techniques at night time before sleep.
and how about you? ive had some limited good experiences that way, although i agree that after sleep is just so much better its unrealQuote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
Awesome Awesome! I feel like I have just been given a priceless treasure by you sharing his book! I was reading it this morning, then had a nap and attempted some Indirects upon waking. I live in a town very close to the road, so I can hear cars passing by, so when I woke, I tried Phantom Wiggling, then switched to Listening In because I the sound in my head was quite loud (it stood out the most of what to do next), but then I was overcome with this rumbling/tumbling anxious jumbled feeling in my head as if everything was building and happening at once. So I attempted to focus on breathing, because it had helped me to fall asleep, but I was too distracted by the sounds of the cars outside. I have only ever had one "partial" LD, and it was so random or expected and have never been able to reproduce another, so I am incredibly thankful for this book....will be making many more attempts to come as I continue reading his book!
Thanks ;)
Hi whiterain
Are you the same Whiterain that opened 4 Dream Jounnals in November 2008 on saltcube?
The first was on the 10th
The second was on the 11th
The third was on the 12th
The fourth was on the 13th of November 2008
This Whiterain only post these four times on Saltcube. Some this spectacular happened with his fourth and last post (for me) I am just wondering if you are the same Whiterain.
Sorry for crashing this thread, Mcwillis,
Hi Whiterain
I was given the link to saltcube by Carol of PsiDreams fame on 27th of July 2008. I came to “nervously” and “secretly” join-in EyeOneBlack’s 30th Remote Viewing Dream Lab. Then about 4 months later I opened my “Allgazers Now” thread and this was my first post:
Allgazers 1
Monday, 10 November 2008
03:50 PM
Hi
I am so impatient. I wish there were more psi-experiments here on saltcube. I’ve been miserable for two days because there have been too few posts on saltcube and lucidology.
Misery is a great catalyst for me. Finally I thought maybe I am not the only misery-guts waiting for posts on saltcube. So I thought I would make up my own activity. I want something daily, so I thought, “Do it your self” . So here is my idea for an activity.
Every day at 6am (Adelaide time) I will look at my “Psi-Dreaming Conference Avatar” and imaginatively open it up and put myself in it. Then for just 10 minutes I will transmit what I am experiencing (seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, tasting, and emotions) into my “Psi-dreaming Conference Avatar”.
Then I will note down what happened between 6am and 6:10am. May be I will take a photo and about 4 or 5 hours later when I can get to a Internet Café I will post in this thread.
I reckon, all YOU need do, is look at my “Psi-Dreaming Conference Avatar” for a couple of minutes then note down any ideas you get. Then check this thread to see if it correlates to what I post. You don’t need to post. You don’t need to tell anyone. This is your experiment.
I will start 6am tomorrow. Here is my Psi-Dreaming Conference Avatar
First target was a road cone (witches hat) posted on 10 November 2008.
Second was the white line down the middle of the road on 11 Nov 2008
Third was a swing on 12 November 2008
Forth was The Morton Bay Fig on 13 Nov 2008
Umm, just noticed that Whiterain only did 4 posts and on my 4th target he hit big time but I think it was “UNCONSCIOUSLY”
He posted his fourth and last post on saltcube during my 4th target.
Owlene said, “I saw a spider and a crushed soda/pop can”
So, I went back to the Morton Bay Fig to search for owlenes crushed soda pop can.
While I was climbing in-and-out of the high buttresses of the Morton Bay fig, (searching for Owlene’s can) my hiptop mobile phone called out “New Message”. I was all tangled up in spider’s webs and buttresses at the time so I decided to wait till I got out of the Morton Bay Fig’s (huge) buttresses before I look at the email.
Once out and seated on a nearby park bench, deep in the woods behind the Adelaide Botanical Gardens, I took out my hiptop phone to check the email.
It was from saltcube. It was this new guy called Whiterain had just posted this:
*** “good sleep near lucid
13-Nov-08 01:45 PM
binaural abyss + healing sounds w hoover
no alarm.
vivid long connected dream (hints to see hands)
treegazing one hour- deep fading out + hands tingle
long deep breaths 25 hearts in/15 hearts out
BREAKFAST UNFORCED AT TEN!” ***
Wow, as you can imagine, it knocked my socks-off, cos my phone called out “New Message” while I was definitely “TREE GAZING” (hahaha) clambering over the Morton Bay Fig’s buttresses looking for Owlene’s can.
Why don't you just send him a private message?Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
How do you do that? Send him a private message?
I believe you just click on there name, go to their profile and post a message for them directly instead of inside the forum for all to see. I have never actually done it, but from what I saw under my own profile I'm pretty sure you can there.Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
Thanx Nilabimini
I just copied both posts to a word-document. then clicked on whiterain, then on "private message" Hope it works. Thanx again Niabimini.
You're very welcome, glad I could help ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by debrajane
I woke up this morning and remembered not to move. I remember exiting an odd dream kind of scared, and heard a sound in my ear similar to the one you get while being on the receiving end of a call where the other person is driving their car with their phone out the window. I moved a second or two after hearing this, but I'm pretty confident their something to this technique
I will be a "guinea pig" for this book. I have had 0 wilds and I just downloaded this book now. I will write down my progress (if any) here in this thread for those who want to see whether or not this book can help a non-wilder.
I have no assumptions. I've given up on attempting lucid dreaming, since I only ender an LD by luck. Let's see how this turns out.
Dude, keep me posted with your progress, I am in the same boat you are. My partial LD was by dumb luck, I'm in process of reading the book. Today I took a nap, but upon waking moved my foot right away and it ruined everything, because even though I tried hard not to focus on that movement, it was too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyance
Nothing else works for me, so I'm hoping this will be a new doorway.
General statistics from seminars areQuote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyance
1-3 days 50% of people have success
2-7 days 80% of people have success
3-14 days 90% of people have success
Mr. Raduga says that if you do not have success 100% of the time with Indirect Techniques it is because you are making mistakes by not following the precise instructions in his book.
This time I woke up without an alarmclock, almost...
I woke up and immediately started to phantom wiggle (which I now understand how to do) I tried to feel any sensation of moving my hand, but felt none, instead I started to observe the images that was infront of my eyes. I saw a plate with food and suddenly felt a fork and a knife in my hands and I started to move my right hand and now I heard some ringing sounds and then I just realised that I was sitting at the dinner table and was now lucid.
I walked around my house and then I heard a loud ringing and remembered that I had set my alarmclock to wake me up to eat breakfast and I woke up. Angry I snoozed the alarm and decided to try indirect techniques again and I observerved the images once again. This time I found myself in a locker room filled with girls (not a bad way to start a dream on), then I started to think about how stupid I was to set my alarm to snooze and after running around and being angry over that I woke up to the snooze... This time I turned the alarm off, but when I tried to enter the dream again I heard that my parents had woke up, and they usually wake me up, but I decided to try again and it worked but not for long because I heard sounds from the "real" world ^^ and I woke up. When my parents had gone to work I thought that I finally could have a long lucid dream, but now I couldn't enter the dream again... But now I now how to phantom wiggle and I entered the dream three times!
Tonight I am trying to drink some water before going to bed and hopefully i wake up a little earlier. I just noticed that the sound you hear when you listen in is the sound you hear when you yawn ^^
And yeah thanks again mcwillis for informing me this book. Someday I will succed a direct technique I feel it! haha no, maybe well bye!
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
Can I recommend new seminar (video)... which everybody can download? :)
I am focusing only on indirect techniques, in 4 nights I was successful 3 times.
I'm very grateful for the knowledge he share.
I think that this is something I will be doing for the rest of my life.
And, Mcwillis thanks for the tread and support. :kiss:
Yes they can, but everyone needs to sign-up to be able to download it, I had to.Quote:
Originally Posted by dlucid
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:Quote:
Originally Posted by dlucid
masterminds experience sounds so similar to my first attempt at these techniques its great. i couldnt find the seminar video at all. all i got was a page that said to enter your email address and they would tell me when it is ready. anyone point me in the right direction?
Just wait for a reply with the link to download the video. I won't post the link here as the they probably want to keep an eye on how many people want to download it as it is over a gigabyte of data and posting it on a forum like this might overload their server or exceed their bandwith usage.
Alright, 1st night in, here's the analysis:
* I have read up to page 35 before going to sleep.
* I tried the first 3 of the trainings of the indirect methods to no success (Observing Images, Phantom Wriggling, and Listening In). The only thing that worked was Straining the brain, which gave me a very uncomfortable feel, accompanied by dizziness.
* I woke up later in the night as I usually do. I was incredibly thirsty and had to get a drink, so I decided to move instead of applying an indirect method.
* After drinking, I attempted to use Observing Images, but nothing else. I drifted to a non-lucid dream before I even got a chance to switch gears.
Night One: No Lucids. Observing Images used.
Side note: I think I'm going to be one of the 10% of the people that fail even after 14 days of practice.
Don't set yourself up for failure then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyance
The book tells you not to move at all when you wake up, and to keep your eyelids closed as well. If you don't follow the instructions then I'll probably agree with you, you will fail.
Second, don't forget to keep a good attitude. Expecting and wanting failure will result in failure :)
You even didn't attempt... Read carefully chapter 2 or you have no chances, because you use an OTHER method))))Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyance
Alright, here's my plan for tonight:
1. Read Instructions again
2. Drink lots of water and go to the bathroom before sleep.
3. Don't move a muscle when waking up
As for keeping up a good attitude, I do not want to be biased in favour of any of these methods working. In a lot of threads like this, people who try the methods and fail say things like "Well, at least I had good dream recall". This, I believe, is an effect created by believing too much in the success of a method. Of course, this isn't the only thing that can go wrong with being biased towards the success of a method, either.
At the same time, I will try my best to not be biased towards the failure of this. I want to be neutral towards the chances of this working out for someone like me.